[News] Kings and Schroder agree on three year 45 million dollar contract. S&T into Huerter TPE

[pdxKingsFan]

We should try to get Kuminga to agree in principle (without signing) on the full MLE and force Golden State's hands now.

Either they work out a S&T with whatever we want (preferably we send Monk or DDR and take Carter off table in the wake of Whitmore), or they are forced to give him a matching MLE level contract or renounce their cap hold.

Of course Kuminga has to understand he isn't getting more than MLE unless he does this.

 

[SacTownKid]

We should try to get Kuminga to agree in principle (without signing) on the full MLE and force Golden State's hands now.

Either they work out a S&T with whatever we want (preferably we send Monk or DDR and take Carter off table in the wake of Whitmore), or they are forced to give him a matching MLE level contract or renounce their cap hold.

Of course Kuminga has to understand he isn't getting more than MLE unless he does this.

This would all depend if he really, really wants out or if he wants a long, big money contract. The Warriors would laugh anyway. If they really don't want him then the best thing for them to do is to drag it out to October. They can wait. The Kings and Kuminga can't.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

This would all depend if he really, really wants out or if he wants a long, big money contract. The Warriors would laugh anyway. If they really don't want him then the best thing for them to do is to drag it out to October. They can wait. The Kings and Kuminga can't.

There is no big money contract. He can sign the QO and get MLE elsewhere next year, or he can get MLE (or equivalent from Warriors) now.

For Kings he is a luxury and that's why I am saying we should force their hand by getting him to agree in principal. If Dubs do nothing then he can sign it. But hopefully Dubs would at that point decide they'll make chicken salad out of chicken poop and in order to service their fans somehow take whatever crumbs we throw them.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942368855600337008

Guessing the protection is something like “if we win the championship, the pick is yours”

 

[BuddyBuckets]

Great business by Perry. Getting the 2nd and Schroder is nice work. I'd imagine Detroit would have convinced Monte to give them a 2nd so he could preserve his precious MLE lol.

If the MLE goes towards Russ we have a serious problem. I'd tell GS, the deal is now or never we need to move on and fill out the rest of our team. Sweeten it by including that Detroit 2nd. If that isn't enough, move on and give a portion of that MLE to Achiuwa who can swing between the backup 4/5 with Maxime.

 

[ockingsfan]

We should try to get Kuminga to agree in principle (without signing) on the full MLE and force Golden State's hands now.

Either they work out a S&T with whatever we want (preferably we send Monk or DDR and take Carter off table in the wake of Whitmore), or they are forced to give him a matching MLE level contract or renounce their cap hold.

Of course Kuminga has to understand he isn't getting more than MLE unless he does this.

If the Warriors want to make a final run over the next 2 years with Curry for another chip, what could be better than having DDR coming off the bench as your 6th man!

I know Curry would prefer DDR over an unproven rookie in Carter. Heck, we can even throw in TD for more juice off the bench.

Let's get it Done!

 

[Capt. Factorial]

This would all depend if he really, really wants out or if he wants a long, big money contract. The Warriors would laugh anyway. If they really don't want him then the best thing for them to do is to drag it out to October. They can wait. The Kings and Kuminga can't.

Well, they can't wait if Kuminga actually signs a full MLE deal in RFA. They have a couple of days to put up or shut up in that case. Since it seems pretty clear that there's no bigger offer out there barring a S&T (obviously the Warriors don't seem to be interested in offering more) Kuminga's only move seems to be to threaten to "leave", and the W's would have the choice of getting nothing, or having to hold on to him at ~$15M.

I don't really blame the W's for balking, especially as they need more help in the frontcourt, but maybe we can figure out a three-team deal that sends a C to the W's and Monk or DDR to a third team.

 

[SacTownKid]

There is no big money contract. He can sign the QO and get MLE elsewhere next year, or he can get MLE (or equivalent from Warriors) now.

For Kings he is a luxury and that's why I am saying we should force their hand by getting him to agree in principal. If Dubs do nothing then he can sign it. But hopefully Dubs would at that point decide they'll make chicken salad out of chicken poop and in order to service their fans somehow take whatever crumbs we throw them.

Like I said before, it's the Kings, if they aren't being used by another team or player for leverage then something wrong is going on, lol. The Warriors have seen this coming for a long time and no doubt they are playing this the exact way they always intended. Maybe Perry can play some Jedi mind tricks on Kuminga who knows.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well, they can't wait if Kuminga actually signs a full MLE deal in RFA. They have a couple of days to put up or shut up in that case. Since it seems pretty clear that there's no bigger offer out there barring a S&T (obviously the Warriors don't seem to be interested in offering more) Kuminga's only move seems to be to threaten to "leave", and the W's would have the choice of getting nothing, or having to hold on to him at ~$15M.

I don't really blame the W's for balking, especially as they need more help in the frontcourt, but maybe we can figure out a three-team deal that sends a C to the W's and Monk or DDR to a third team.

Which I have a feeling that's what they might want. Not sure about Kuminga. I would imagine Kuminga's agent knows what teams have interest future or otherwise. No team has money and no team is apparently stepping up to get destroyed in the backend by the Warriors via trade either.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Like I said before, it's the Kings, if they aren't being used by another team or player for leverage then something wrong is going on, lol. The Warriors have seen this coming for a long time and no doubt they are playing this the exact way they always intended. Maybe Perry can play some Jedi mind tricks on Kuminga who knows.

Almost every restricted FA signing is a team being used for leverage. I'm fully on board with being used for leverage since it potentially cripples our regional rival.

 

[SacTownKid]

Almost every restricted FA signing is a team being used for leverage. I'm fully on board with being used for leverage since it potentially cripples our regional rival.

True, but that's the thing, what's the worst the Kings can do? Sign him to the MLE and the Warriors get him on cheap deal to later use as a trade chip? If the Kings had max space great, then you have leverage, the only leverage is on the W's side right now.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

True, but that's the thing, what's the worst the Kings can do? Sign him to the MLE and the Warriors get him on cheap deal to later use as a trade chip? If the Kings had max space great, then you have leverage, the only leverage is on the W's side right now.

Is a full MLE deal cheap for Kuminga with the way the Warriors have used him?

If you have potential he's worth the gamble I think but he's exactly the class of player that has been completely hung out to dry by this new CBA.

 

[SacTownKid]

Is a full MLE deal cheap for Kuminga with the way the Warriors have used him?

If you have potential he's worth the gamble I think but he's exactly the class of player that has been completely hung out to dry by this new CBA.

Probably. They'd be paying a 22 year old athletic stud less than what Monk makes.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942370098867589253

 

[Capt. Factorial]

True, but that's the thing, what's the worst the Kings can do? Sign him to the MLE and the Warriors get him on cheap deal to later use as a trade chip? If the Kings had max space great, then you have leverage, the only leverage is on the W's side right now.

I think the Warriors are looking at it that way. Unless they play ball on a S&T, there's ~0% chance Kuminga can get more than the MLE this year. Maybe they wait for us to offer an MLE deal and Kuminga to sing it, then match. The way they're richarding him around I don't imagine Kuminga would be happy about that at all, but what can he do? Sign the QO, play for peanuts, and hope somebody can (and will) pony up next year?

Given that the Warriors aren't playing ball, his best move is probably to find a full MLE deal from somebody for 2 years + 1 PO, and force the Warriors' hand. But who knows, maybe there's a S&T that can still materialize.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942370098867589253

Oh ye of little faith! 68 wins or bust!

 

[Tetsujin]

Oh ye of little faith! 68 wins or bust!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942366951747264963

But 68 wins for the Hornets? Impossible!

 

[Capt. Factorial]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942366951747264963

But 68 wins for the Hornets? Impossible!

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Probably. They'd be paying a 22 year old athletic stud less than what Monk makes.

Arguably Monk had more value to us at 17-18.5m or whatever it worked out to than Kuminga does at 14.5 to the Dubs. They DNP'd him in the playoffs last year. I can't imagine us doing that with Monk. Now of course down the road maybe they can trade him on the MLE, but we're seeing there doesn't seem to be anyone even throwing that at him right now, or he won't accept it because he's too pig-headed.

I'm happy to just throw a grenade into the Warriors offseason and walk away.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942366951747264963

But 68 wins for the Hornets? Impossible!

Was that the fake first rounder we got from San Antonio

 

[iowamcnabb]

Was that the fake first rounder we got from San Antonio

Yeh the ‘26 second and ‘27 second. Could end up being pretty valuable though because many guys that normally would have entered the draft stayed in because of NIL money. A lot of those seniors and some juniors could end up pushing first round talent into the top of the second round

 

[sactowndog]

It’s more than just length, otherwise the Orlando Magic would have won a championship by now with their obsession of drafting length. You need all the other usual skills like scoring, shooting, play making (etc). Sure, Orlando can play lights out defense, but they don’t shoot or score efficiently.

Did I ever say both were not needed?

You are correct and those guys with forward type length and have other skills typically go very early. You can get all-star guards and bigs later but the top forwards rarely last past the first half of the draft. Often they are gone by the top 7-10.

 

[sactowndog]

Detroit basically traded a 2nd round pick for a trade exemption of around $15 mil.

Good for both teams.

 

[sactowndog]

Well, they can't wait if Kuminga actually signs a full MLE deal in RFA. They have a couple of days to put up or shut up in that case. Since it seems pretty clear that there's no bigger offer out there barring a S&T (obviously the Warriors don't seem to be interested in offering more) Kuminga's only move seems to be to threaten to "leave", and the W's would have the choice of getting nothing, or having to hold on to him at ~$15M.

I don't really blame the W's for balking, especially as they need more help in the frontcourt, but maybe we can figure out a three-team deal that sends a C to the W's and Monk or DDR to a third team.

Give him a 2 year plus a player option 3rd year full MLE with a 15% trade kicker like Atlanta did to us or better a no trade clause

 

[AaronPDX]

So if the Kings offer Kuminga the full MLE we now have, and assuming the rumors are true that GSW have a deal lined up with Horford, what do the Warrriors do? Seems to put them in a bit of a precarious situation.

 

[sactowndog]

Oh ye of little faith! 68 wins or bust!

Nice to have a GM who acquires 2nds versus wasting them. Good move

 

[King Baller]

Was that the fake first rounder we got from San Antonio

Well it made the headlines look good

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Well it made the headlines look good

All that matters

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942641359514693692

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942641359514693692

Meh. Team option 3rd year would have been nice, but 4 million guaranteed isn't horrible. Cuts into potential space though. Those little hits never work out for the Kings in the end. Hopefully Perry didn't just add more mess to the pile.