Justin Williams

[Gary]

just thinking about this after seeing some stats last night..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3308/news;_ylt=AjA0qzE5_U9IfJJOPRakAbykvLYF

Moore recorded his second double-double of the season. In December, he averaged 29.9 minutes, 10.0 points and 6.8 rebounds while shooting 53.8% from the field. Suddenly, Moore looks like a decent option as a fantasy forward-center. Sacramento is ravaged by injuries and Moore stands to benefit from the Kings’ short playing rotation in the next couple of weeks.

With Moore improving he is taking time from Hawes, and Williams, but I guess at the same time since Artest is out no more playing him at PF, so those minutes should go to Williams/Hawes.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well have you guys ever thought that maybe JWill wasn't showing anything in practice. Because before the season Reggie said that whoever did good in practice would play. I mean its impossible to tell, but its just a thought.

I would lean more towards too many bodies as a reason for no playing time for Justin. If practice goes like I think it does Justin is busting some heads on the boards and on D.

 

[Superman]

I would lean more towards too many bodies as a reason for no playing time for Justin. If practice goes like I think it does Justin is busting some heads on the boards and on D.

Well, if Justin were busting heads during practice, what right-minded coach wouldn't play him? I can't imagine that a player who excels during practice wouldn't get playing time, regardless of the players in front of him. I mean, it's not like we have any superstars at the 4/5 spots.

 

[beb0p]

Justin is undersized. I have noticed even in summer league that he struggled against "normal sized" centers. He is strictly a matchup guy, when the opponent go small ball, then it should be Justin's time.

With that said, he still should get PT over KT. Maybe get some mins at PF where he won't have to battle seven footers. I suspect we are just trying to showcase KT to other teams. The keyword here is "trying."

 

[Gary]

Justin is undersized. I have noticed even in summer league that he struggled against "normal sized" centers. He is strictly a matchup guy, when the opponent go small ball, then it should be Justin's time.

With that said, he still should get PT over KT. Maybe get some mins at PF where he won't have to battle seven footers. I suspect we are just trying to showcase KT to other teams. The keyword here is "trying."

I feel the same way. He has center skills, but is totally undersized. He has no offensive game to speak of other than putbacks, and dunks (consistant offensive games that is. I did see that half hook he used a while back)

The thing I do like about Williams as a PF is that he does have size now. He's not so skinny anymore, and has bulked up quite a bit since we saw him in the summer league in 2006. He would probably bring us down in an offense depleted team, but put him out there with Artest, Bibby, Martin, and Miller and he probably couldn't do any worse than Moore.

Oh that last part I totally on't agree with. I don't think we are showcasing KT for anyone w/ the 5 minutes we give him. KT is a lost cause, and if anyone takes him off our hands I would rent the limo to escort him to the airport.

 

[venom_7]

Did anyone regard Justin Williams blocked Amare Stoudemire and took a rebound.
i did not know why Reggie did not keep him on the court longer time

and he didn't mess anything up on offense. I really hope he gets more time.

 

[Entity]

Umm......What's 3-Will (Edit: I know it means JWill but how does 3-Will mean JWill)

the 3 would be in reguard to his threesome therefore 3-Will.

 

[icp3425]

the 3 would be in reguard to his threesome therefore 3-Will.

Lmao,Thats pretty funny

 

[Kingzrool]

We may not know what JW can contribute and that in itself is enough reason for him to get more PT. But it goes further than that. We do know, at least the few of us that have actually seen him play in person, that he excells at what the Kings lack. Rebounds on both sides and hustle.

I'll be the first to admit that he needs developement and refining. But I will bet my snowboard that if he is properly developed, he will have a better career than KT. The kid has a knack of being in the right place and that you cannot learn.

Last night in 12:14 he put in 8 points and 8 rebounds, 4/5 from the field. That is great, it should have been 12 points as he missed all 4 freethrows. He has got the knack to get to the line, he just needs to learn how to sink 'em. Luckily, that is something you can learn.

I think that it is clear something happened between RT and him, something in practice, hell maybe even the whole arrest thing, that put JW in the doghouse. It seems he may be getting a small chance. I am confident that he can be a part of the future of this team.

 

[dude12]

I'll be the first to admit that he needs developement and refining. But I will bet my snowboard that if he is properly developed, he will have a better career than KT.

Doubt it...he doesn't have enough offensive game to come even close to this statement.....and he will never ever develop an offensive game.

 

[6th]

Doubt it...he doesn't have enough offensive game to come even close to this statement.....and he will never ever develop an offensive game.

Whoa! Never say never. I don't know about this statement. My crystal ball is broken. Yours, obviously, is not.

 

[dude12]

Whoa! Never say never. I don't know about this statement. My crystal ball is broken. Yours, obviously, is not.

Can you honestly say that he's going to develop any type of shooting touch? I'm not exactly going out an a limb here.

 

[6th]

Can you honestly say that he's going to develop any type of shooting touch? I'm not exactly going out an a limb here.

I cannot honestly say that he will develop a shooting touch, but I cannot honestly say that he won't either. I try my best not to foretell the future.

 

[dude12]

I cannot honestly say that he will develop a shooting touch, but I cannot honestly say that he won't either. I try my best not to foretell the future.

I've seen enough basketball to say that he won't and that is an honest educated guess.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I can honestly say that there's more to being an effective basketball player than having a shooting touch, particularly at the low post positions.

Shooting is overrated. Shooting from a big man, doubly so.

 

[kingsfan916]

I've seen enough basketball to say that he won't and that is an honest educated guess.

well you can never say he cant i mean travis outlaw could not shoot at all! but this year he got stroke!

 

[dude12]

I can honestly say that there's more to being an effective basketball player than having a shooting touch, particularly at the low post positions.

Shooting is overrated. Shooting from a big man, doubly so.

That would be the very first time I've heard that.

Justin will not develop any above average passing skills, dribbling skills, shooting skills, but he can go get the rebound.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

That would be the very first time I've heard that.

You must not hang around any basketball-savvy people.

Justin will not develop any above average passing skills, dribbling skills, shooting skills, but he can go get the rebound.

Big men don't need to dribble; in fact, they should never put the ball below their numbers, if they can help it.

Besides which, it never hurts to have an extra guy on your team that can rebound; there have been many players to have long careers in the league that couldn't do jack but rebound. Hell, Jeff Foster's been in the league for nine years, and he can't do anything but rebound.

 

[Glenn]

I am sure Justin will have a long career but will it be the kind of career that helps this team become competitive again? That remains to be seen. I suspect he feels a lot of pressure and I'd like to see him get more minutes so he wouldn't feel that every move might be his last. Then we'll see if his miserable shooting skills have much of a chance of improving.

That said, I want someone who will move this team forward and not simply have a long career and there is little I have seen that indicates he will ever be a major force and part of the bigger picture.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

That said, I want someone who will move this team forward and not simply have a long career and there is little I have seen that indicates he will ever be a major force and part of the bigger picture.

"Major force" could possibly be a sign of unreasonable expectations... Was Scot Pollard a "major force" with the Kings? I would say absolutely not. Was he a positive contribution to this team's moving forward? I would say that he was. What did Pollard provide this team? Position defense and rebounding off the bench. What can Williams potentially provide this team? Position defense and rebounding.

The value of a quality reserve cannot be overstated; I, as you know, am a big proponent of developing talent in-house, but not all home-grown talent needs to be stars.

 

[Entity]

That would be the very first time I've heard that.

Justin will not develop any above average passing skills, dribbling skills, shooting skills, but he can go get the rebound.

a first? one guy right in front of you on the opposite team tonight by the name of Ben Wallace would miss the backboard if shooting outside the paint with pressure.

Reggie Evans has made a nice carreer for himself with the same attributes. Mutumbo, Rodman, the list goes on of guys that made a carreer for themselves and were never able to shoot worth a crap.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Somebody stop the world: I agree with Entity.


:: has heart attack ::

 

[6th]

Somebody stop the world: I agree with Entity.


:: has heart attack ::

::slaps the paddles on her friend, Mr. S£im, and revives him::

 

[BMiller52]

"Major force" could possibly be a sign of unreasonable expectations... Was Scot Pollard a "major force" with the Kings? I would say absolutely not. Was he a positive contribution to this team's moving forward? I would say that he was. What did Pollard provide this team? Position defense and rebounding off the bench. What can Williams potentially provide this team? Position defense and rebounding.

The value of a quality reserve cannot be overstated; I, as you know, am a big proponent of developing talent in-house, but not all home-grown talent needs to be stars.

Exactly!!! Scot and then Keon were mainly defenders, shotblockers, and rebounders but they helped this team a bunch because their skillsets complimented Webber and Vlade. I mean they weren't exactly nailing 3 pointers or using a spin move or turn around J and they found a way to be effective players. I don't get this "everybody has to shoot to be a good player/contributor" sentiment some people have.

 

[dude12]

a first? one guy right in front of you on the opposite team tonight by the name of Ben Wallace would miss the backboard if shooting outside the paint with pressure.

Reggie Evans has made a nice carreer for himself with the same attributes. Mutumbo, Rodman, the list goes on of guys that made a carreer for themselves and were never able to shoot worth a crap.

Go read the post again....Slim says that shooting is overrated.....that means shooting for everybody, not just for big men. Go back and read it all. You have given me a list of about 4 defensive specialists who were special enough at what they do to get away with what they do. That doesn't make a list that goes on and on.

 

[dude12]

You must not hang around any basketball-savvy people.

Big men don't need to dribble; in fact, they should never put the ball below their numbers, if they can help it.

Besides which, it never hurts to have an extra guy on your team that can rebound; there have been many players to have long careers in the league that couldn't do jack but rebound. Hell, Jeff Foster's been in the league for nine years, and he can't do anything but rebound.

Seriously, saying that shooting is an overrated skill is the most absurd quote I have read on this forum. I agree with you on your last quote....I never said that it wasn't important to have guys like that on the team. All I said was that Justin Williams will not develop any type of offensive game.

 

[VF21]

I can honestly say that there's more to being an effective basketball player than having a shooting touch, particularly at the low post positions.

Shooting is overrated. Shooting from a big man, doubly so.

Precisely.

 

[Glenn]

Seriously, saying that shooting is an overrated skill is the most absurd quote I have read on this forum. I agree with you on your last quote....I never said that it wasn't important to have guys like that on the team. All I said was that Justin Williams will not develop any type of offensive game.

You need to go back and read the entire conversation about a big man's shooting skills and their relative worth. Mr. Citrus never said that "shooting was an over rated skill for everyone." Methinks you are blowing this out of proportion.

Justin's young and there is more to offense than shooting. He can learn to pass, he can be a put back monster (nothing wrong with that is there?), he can get offensive rebounds, he can set picks, etc. These are offensive skills.

I see Justin eventually developing a game somewhat like Mikki except having much more strength as a rebounder.

 

[Gary]

My whole issue with Williams is that outside of rebounding, and blocked shots he doesn't offer much in the way of anything else. Defensively he seems a bit slow to react. (not just talking about the two Thomas dunks in a row behind him, but overall)

Positives on Williams though is that he is an over average rebounder on a bad rebounding team (which means he should be able to keep his spot).

He blocks shots on a bad shot blocking team.

He offers hustle, and energy. It genuinely looks like he wants to improve as well. Not sure how much of that is the coach pumping him full of energy, but he seems to be excited about playing. Maybe it's just because he's playing in the NBA, I don't know.. But the kid seems to want to play and wants to improve. Enough that he has seemed to take time from Hawes..

 

[fnordius]

My whole issue with Williams is that outside of rebounding, and blocked shots he doesn't offer much in the way of anything else. Defensively he seems a bit slow to react. (not just talking about the two Thomas dunks in a row behind him, but overall)

I know that I've come across as stridently pro-Justin, but I don't disagree with your criticisms at all. He's inexperienced and flawed. But all of our players is flawed. They have no D, or questionable judgment, or some other major issue. Rebounding? Pass first? Heh.

I don't expect him to be the next Wilt, or even the next Keon, necessarily. But I think he can match Dampier or Przybilla, both of whom were fawned over by many fans, and at least one of whom was surely pursued by Petrie. And while I don't agree with everything Geoff does, by any means, my only qualm with that, was that Przybilla was kind of old. Otherwise, I thought he was a perfect fit. A guy who just grabs boards, blocks shots, and makes an occasional dunk or putback. No need to do anything else, we've already got shooters.


And that's all it's about, to me. Need. The organization needs to show that it cares that we're coming off the worst year in franchise history for rebounds and blocks. And it's pretty clear that he's making an effort, from all that time he spent in the weight room last year.

We desperately need someone like him, so what the heck?