JT and the #4 for Rubio & Marc Gasol?

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Would you trade the #4 pick along with JT for the #2 if Gasol was included. I would. Their salaries are pretty close. Gasol is only a year older and is a better post player than JT at this point which is something we could use if Spencer plays the high post. Rubio and Gasol have played together in Spain for year, so the familiarity between the two would make Rubio transition to the nba a little easier. Just an idea.
 
Why would Memphis do this? Would leave them with no center? Also would leave us with 2 centers in Gasol and Hawes and they cannot play together. Personally I think Gasol has done a good job at the 5 for Memphis and they probably aren't shopping him.
 
Memphis has to keep Marc to validate the super shady Lakers trade.

If they dont...Stern will destroy them!! :p
 
I don't find Gasol better than Jason. He has a better FG% but Jason brings alot more energy and hustle IMO and I find that more valuable... just look at Chris Anderson.
 
I'm not a big fan of Marc Gasol. He's not very athletic, and in my opinion doesn't have a lot of upside. I think he is, pretty much what you see right now. I wish people would quit trying to trade JT. We finally have a legit PF with size, and people can't wait to shove him out the door for a hope and a prayer. Can we just build on what we have now folks?
 
And, despite the boringness of Gasol, he was the starting C for the All-Star rookie team, which no Sacramento King has ever done... heck, no King since Hedo was on the All-Star rookie team in any position. The consensus seems to be that Gasol has a solid future in the NBA, and JT goes largely unnoticed. So I'm thinking that Memphis probably wouldn't be interested anyway. Nor am I in any hurry to trade JT, either.

I'd be much more open to trading Hawes for Gasol as part of a deal like this, but why would Memphis want to do that, either?
 
This trade basically banks on Rubio becoming a star - because Gasol is nothing more than a role player and our #4 pick and/or JT can turn into an All-Star. So to make this trade worthwhile you have to believe Rubio is a future star.

So no, this is too much of a gamble. I don't like to put all the eggs in one basket; I'd rather we keep JT and the #4 pick and double the chance of one of them becoming an All-Star.
 
seriously what is the most possible trade we can do with them?

4th + donte + KT for rubio and jaric is fair right... cause gay is expiring this year and they will look to extend him right
 
Would you trade the #4 pick along with JT for the #2 if Gasol was included. I would. Their salaries are pretty close. Gasol is only a year older and is a better post player than JT at this point which is something we could use if Spencer plays the high post. Rubio and Gasol have played together in Spain for year, so the familiarity between the two would make Rubio transition to the nba a little easier. Just an idea.

I wouldn't do this trade. I think that JT's potential is much higher than that of Gasol. This makes this trade basically for the upside of Rubio. I am not sold enough on Rubio to be on him to be a star over the other young PGs in the draft. I would rather keep JT and take my chances on one of the other PGs instead.
 
seriously what is the most possible trade we can do with them?

4th + donte + KT for rubio and jaric is fair right... cause gay is expiring this year and they will look to extend him right

Others have already pointed out that trading up 1 or 2 spots in the draft doesn't usually take very much. I think many of us are putting way too much value on what it takes to move up a couple spots.
 
Others have already pointed out that trading up 1 or 2 spots in the draft doesn't usually take very much. I think many of us are putting way too much value on what it takes to move up a couple spots.

They're not putting nearly enough value because it all revolves around the players involved. The difference between #4 and #2 is Jordan Hill and Ricky Rubio is huge. Or James Harden and Ricky...or Brandon Jennings and Ricky. There's a huge gap in talent so whatever else you chip in to make it worthwhile has to be huge. When Ty Thomas and Lamarcus Aldridge were getting traded along with whatever else they were pretty equal prospects.
 
They're not putting nearly enough value because it all revolves around the players involved. The difference between #4 and #2 is Jordan Hill and Ricky Rubio is huge. Or James Harden and Ricky...or Brandon Jennings and Ricky. There's a huge gap in talent so whatever else you chip in to make it worthwhile has to be huge. When Ty Thomas and Lamarcus Aldridge were getting traded along with whatever else they were pretty equal prospects.

I agree that there appears to be a gap in talent. How huge is the question. Its all subjective at this point. Not just between you and me but also between the NBA scouts and GM's. Here's the reality of it. Five years from now Jennings or Evans or whoever, may be a better player than Rubio. With emphasis on the word May.

Is there anyone here thats willing to bet next years salary on Rubio being the best player in this years draft, or even his being the best point guard in this years draft. Probably not, but I'm sure some are willing to bet the Maloffs money. That aside, I think we need to be reasonable in our willingness to make trades to aquire a player we THINK, will be the next cats meow.

I like Rubio. There's no doubt that he would bring initial excitement to ARCO. I would be excited. But he's not without flaws. He's not as athletic as most of the points in the draft. He's not a player at this point that going to be able to create his own shot off the dribble. He turns the ball over at a fairly high rate. He doesn't have an NBA body, and may become injury prone.

To his credit he's a masterful and creative passer of the basketball. He has great court vision. Some of his turnovers may turn into assists in the NBA where bigs aren't allowed to live in the paint. He's a team player. He has a flair to him that says star. But thats not a given. The NBA is more physical than people think. He's going to get bumped and banged and knocked down, and there's no guarantee how he's going to react to that.

European players have a rep for being soft. Because, well, for the most part they are. You get your occasional tough ones that usually come with names that I can't spell. But for the most part when you think european, you don't think Ben Wallace, or Charles Oakley. And by tough, I don't just mean physically. I also mean mentally. I don't think Beno is mentally tough, and it shows in his play.

Kids that come out of the streets of Philly and New York and Venice beach in LA, etc. are tough kids. They may not be as talented, but they will try to impose their will on someone like Rubio. There have been a lot of european players that have come into the NBA and after a few years have gone back to europe. Others have sat at the end of a bench somewhere. The ones that have suceeded are the ones that have been tough, both physically and mentally, and had the talent to go with it.

I'm being long winded here, but I just want people to realize that were talking about a 19 year old kid with tons of talent, but no guarantee's. I personally think he will be sucessful, and if we end up with him I certainly hope so. But point guard is a tough position in the NBA, and its not going to happen overnight.
 
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They're not putting nearly enough value because it all revolves around the players involved. The difference between #4 and #2 is Jordan Hill and Ricky Rubio is huge. Or James Harden and Ricky...or Brandon Jennings and Ricky. There's a huge gap in talent so whatever else you chip in to make it worthwhile has to be huge. When Ty Thomas and Lamarcus Aldridge were getting traded along with whatever else they were pretty equal prospects.

I think this is an area that we will just have to disagree on. I don't get the sense that there is that big of a gap between Rubio and the next group of players. I base that on what I have seen, read online, and heard from interviews of supposed NBA experts and/or analysts.

The only player everone is convinced to be way above the rest is Griffin.
 
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