Joerger has to deal with more than on-court issues

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"Through just over 1/4 of the season, Joerger has had some challenges other than on-court play. By my count 6 different players with issues." - Via Carmichael Dave tweet

Ok I'm officially gonna try to tone down my all out hate for Joerger. However I will not cease to point out in my opinion and others...how responsible he is for more than a little of the turmoil and lack of success the team has had thus far this season.

Ok so as reported by Carmichael Dave we are now up to 6 players that have issues with the Joerger. This is now not just one random isolated bad apple (Affalo).

This is turning into almost an all out revolt by the sound of it. AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM?

Thru all the bad coaches I've never seen a coach jerk around his players as much as Joerger. The Casspi situation was completely inexcusable. Here's one of your best hustle players, who took a discount because he wants to be here, coming off one of his best seasons... Joerger decided banish him completely in favor for guys like Affalo and Barnes... again... Casspi banished for Matt all sorts of issues/choking girls, and cry baby Affalo. Seriously how deflating of a start of the season is that? Go scorched earth with one of your best heart and hustle players. Not to mention best 3pt shooter from last year!

Even with Joerger (FINALLY GETTING IT) and playing Casspi the right about of mins and giving him the role he earned and deserved the damage has been done. Casspi is over Joerger and he will be gone now after this season if he's not traded. Casspi was one of the bright spots on this team and was just crapped on by Joergers makes no sense line ups and rotations.

Garret Temple has out hustled and out preformed going back to the first game of the year, every single potential 2 guard on this team. In fact Temple has basically given everything he had every second of every game no quit and all heart. Yet..... it took multiple injuries to put the most talented and deserving SG into the starting rotation. It wasn't even Joergers choice... he was forced to do it...

Then there's Koufos.... who by the way had one of his best games off the year coming off the bench 1 gm. His other... well it was against MEM (yes the other team playing 2 huge bigs)

There's more than enough evidence to support cousins guarding stretch guys like Ryan Anderson, Markeff Morris, or SF's like Harrison Barnes is setting us up to be too slow and unable to guard the 3 pt line. It also forces on offense Cousins to stand on the 3 pt line and clogs the paint for cousins. People don't even guard Koufos when cousins goes anywhere near the paint.

I was 100% on board with Joerger to start. But it appears he was just a product of a great system that will continue to winning regardless of who the coach is.

This isn't the perfect roster, we have some dysfunctional players. But the fact of the matter is Dave lit some of the fires that are now reaching Inferno status. Due to his inability to adapt, inability to recognize the talents with the players that he has.

This team was fragile to start.... but Dave Joerger has whiffed on every opportunity within his power to help this team succeed.

Also remember when Ty Lawson talked about how the practices were not very good in the beginning? Once again coaching not very good.

IF TY LAWSON THINKS THINGS ARE TOO LAID BACK... COACH YOU HAVE ISSUES
 
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The tweet did not say 6 players have issue with Joerger.

CD tweet said "6 players have issues". I could list 6 pretty quickly, but half of the issues are resolved or just background:
-- Lawson = former drunk, skipped a practice in preseason
-- Barnes = got in bar fight
-- Cousins = tagged along in bar fight
-- Casspi = play me or trade me bit, we have since been playing him
-- Collison = missed first 8 games for domestic violence
-- Afflalo = start me or I pout

and there it is. Nothing mysterious or that we don't know about.
 
Btw 6 players is now such a high number I don't even know who they would be. Casspi Affalo, WCS, Ben, then???? Who else? I'm just guessing.
 
Bricklayer said:
The tweet did not say 6 players have issue with Joerger.

CD tweet said "6 players have issues". I could list 6 pretty quickly, but half of the issues are resolved or just background:
-- Lawson = former drunk, skipped a practice in preseason
-- Barnes = got in bar fight
-- Cousins = tagged along in bar fight
-- Casspi = play me or trade me bit, we have since been playing him
-- Collison = missed first 8 games for domestic violence
-- Afflalo = start me or I pout

and there it is. Nothing mysterious or that we don't know about.
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Hmm totally see what ur saying.. I just assumed the issues were related to playing time. At least 2 are. Man this team and drama... it's worse than a soap opera. Hard to keep track of... plus

--gay wants to be traded (that's 7)

I feel like we could just keep going all day
 
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Some of y'all would complain not matter who the coach is. You know how I know cause Wolves fans are complaint about Thibs who was number 1 on most of you guys boards. He's doing a worse job than Joerger despite having more talent and an easier schedule. I don't care who has a problem with Joerger on the team half of them should be shipped out for all I care
 
This is what happens when you construct a roster where players 3-12 are all basically in the same stratosphere of NBA player. They all feel they should be playing over the people getting minutes. We have Cousins and Gay and the rest of the roster have an arguement they should start on this team. In reality almost all of them should be bench players.
 
sactownfan said:
"Through just over 1/4 of the season, Joerger has had some challenges other than on-court play. By my count 6 different players with issues." - Via Carmichael Dave tweet

Ok I'm officially gonna try to tone down my all out hate for Joerger. However I will not cease to point out in my opinion and others...how responsible he is for more than a little of the turmoil and lack of success the team has had thus far this season.

Ok so as reported by Carmichael Dave we are now up to 6 players that have issues with the Joerger. This is now not just one random isolated bad apple (Affalo).

This is turning into almost an all out revolt by the sound of it. AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM?

Thru all the bad coaches I've never seen a coach jerk around his players as much as Joerger. The Casspi situation was completely inexcusable. Here's one of your best hustle players, who took a discount because he wants to be here, coming off one of his best seasons... Joerger decided banish him completely in favor for guys like Affalo and Barnes... again... Casspi banished for Matt all sorts of issues/choking girls, and cry baby Affalo. Seriously how deflating of a start of the season is that? Go scorched earth with one of your best heart and hustle players. Not to mention best 3pt shooter from last year!

Even with Joerger (FINALLY GETTING IT) and playing Casspi the right about of mins and giving him the role he earned and deserved the damage has been done. Casspi is over Joerger and he will be gone now after this season if he's not traded. Casspi was one of the bright spots on this team and was just crapped on by Joergers makes no sense line ups and rotations.

Garret Temple has out hustled and out preformed going back to the first game of the year, every single potential 2 guard on this team. In fact Temple has basically given everything he had every second of every game no quit and all heart. Yet..... it took multiple injuries to put the most talented and deserving SG into the starting rotation. It wasn't even Joergers choice... he was forced to do it...

Then there's Koufos.... who by the way had one of his best games off the year coming off the bench 1 gm. His other... well it was against MEM (yes the other team playing 2 huge bigs)

There's more than enough evidence to support cousins guarding stretch guys like Ryan Anderson, Markeff Morris, or SF's like Harrison Barnes is setting us up to be too slow and unable to guard the 3 pt line. It also forces on offense Cousins to stand on the 3 pt line and clogs the paint for cousins. People don't even guard Koufos when cousins goes anywhere near the paint.

I was 100% on board with Joerger to start. But it appears he was just a product of a great system that will continue to winning regardless of who the coach is.

This isn't the perfect roster, we have some dysfunctional players. But the fact of the matter is Dave lit some of the fires that are now reaching Inferno status. Due to his inability to adapt, inability to recognize the talents with the players that he has.

This team was fragile to start.... but Dave Joerger has whiffed on every opportunity within his power to help this team succeed.

Also remember when Ty Lawson talked about how the practices were not very good in the beginning? Once again coaching not very good.

IF TY LAWSON THINKS THINGS ARE TOO LAID BACK... COACH YOU HAVE ISSUES
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Blaming the coach went out the door with the firing of George Karl. It is not about the coach anymore, it is now about the roster and the front office. It started with the Maloofs bad decisions, then PDA, now Vlade signing terrible FAs with no talent and baggage plus bad draft picks. Joerger is one of the best coaches in the league and we are lucky to have him. The FO needs to do their part and quit signing/drafting garbage
 
This is partially the fault of Vlade and it's his problem to fix. He loaded up on vets that he told were going to play but the reality is that the team was over stuffed at more than a few positions. The fact that it hasn't worked so far gives him a perfect reason to clear some of that mess out without the fear of disrupting any chemistry. If anything, moving Gay, Ben, etc. will probably enhance it at this point.
 
Yeah, the six players tweet is about six distractions that Joerger has to deal with not a coach/player conflict. AA and Casspi (or his agent) were the conflicts. And Casspi's issue is "I want to play", which is a common issue. AA's issue is start me or I'm a negative, which is a pretty poor persuasion argument when you were invisible while starting.
 
One of the problems with Sacramento is that the fan base is tired of losing. Give a coach a chance. It has been a revolving door. It takes more than a 1/4 season to correct any of the team's problems. I see better effort and some defense which gives me hope. I like Coach J and hope he sticks around.
 
Joerger said this would be a year and a half process....a deliberate process. No one should be pissed at Joerger as he's doing exactly what a strong coach should do and that's gluing Afflalo to the bench. Joerger's going to find out what vets are on board. Notice how Temple didnt ***** when he was coming off the bench and had the good team attitude. It's been said that Malachi is a sponge with everything that Temple says and does. That is what we need and want. Compare that to Afflalo......Joerger has basically said the hell with you. I can appreciate that. Tolliver has been professional. I think Lawson has been professional as FA's I know except whatever that preseason deal was.

Rudy and DC.....got to be honest, it doesn't appear that they always bring it. WCS has said he's learned that he needs to be professional and be ready instead of feeling like he is entitled to playing time. That is growth. Might not be growth in wins and losses yet but it's hard to speed up this process.

Our rookies are getting a front row view and education on what they would like to be like....Temple is a pretty good example.....Afflalo, not so much.
 
dude12 said:
Joerger said this would be a year and a half process....a deliberate process. No one should be pissed at Joerger as he's doing exactly what a strong coach should do and that's gluing Afflalo to the bench. Joerger's going to find out what vets are on board. Notice how Temple didnt ***** when he was coming off the bench and had the good team attitude. It's been said that Malachi is a sponge with everything that Temple says and does. That is what we need and want. Compare that to Afflalo......Joerger has basically said the hell with you. I can appreciate that. Tolliver has been professional. I think Lawson has been professional as FA's I know except whatever that preseason deal was.

Rudy and DC.....got to be honest, it doesn't appear that they always bring it. WCS has said he's learned that he needs to be professional and be ready instead of feeling like he is entitled to playing time. That is growth. Might not be growth in wins and losses yet but it's hard to speed up this process.

Our rookies are getting a front row view and education on what they would like to be like....Temple is a pretty good example.....Afflalo, not so much.
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I have to say both Temple and Tolliver have been professionals, and its greatly needed and appreciated.

Wish Tolliver was having a better year.

KK has been a professional too, has had some rotation oddities to deal with himself.
 
Most of them should be gone next year anyway so, shrug. Getting everyone on the same page about their roles has been a constant issue for us though. I guess you want to build in depth so you're not sunk if there's an injury to a key player but if you're bringing in somebody as a Plan B risk-mitigator they really should be made aware of that before they sign. Swapping coaches every year doesn't help either which is why Joerger is the last guy I would put blame on right now. And frankly, these are the type of locker room distractions that disappear when the team is winning.
 
Kingsfan23 said:
He's not doing a good job, and thus far he's been fail.

Standings
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Kings are at 10th place in the West. Can you honestly look at the 9 teams ahead of Sacramento and say the Kings have a better roster than those teams? An argument can be made about Denver and Memphis. But the other 7 have superior squads.
 
In my opinion the Front Office and Joerger get two more Full Seasons after THIS ONE to make things right. You can't keep blowing things up every year. So the constant complaining about Vlade or Joerger is getting old to me.

Joerger is right this is on the Players:eek::eek::eek: I'm looking at you Afflalo. Aaron you should be playing a bench role beating up on other teams bench guards down low. Instead you pout because you no longer can produce as a starter.
 
Looks like its gonna come down to Joerger or Afflalo, this town isnt big enough for the both of them. Something has to give.

In all seriousness you couldnt have expected much better from this team and Joerger thus far. Most experts had us only ahead of the Lakers in the West. We're currently 10th and good two week stint away from 8th seed. Also a bad two weeks away from cellar dweller.
 
Not the coaching. It's really a crummy squad. Mcelmore and WCS may be the worst picks in history. Right after stouskos, and Jimmer. Oh yeah, and Robinson....oops.

The only question is would we be any worse with whomever we could get in exchange for Cousins. Worse than losing to Dallas by 20? I feel it would be a much enjoyable product to watch on the floor. If this were Scrabble we'd start stealing new tiles.
 
yawn...not this again. It's time to stop bringing in patch players and bring in players that you intend to keep for more than three years, ideally.
 
Man, people were beating a similar drum with Malone, even as the squad looked like they were competing. Let's not do this to another quality coach.

That said, I don't think the roster is as bad as people are making it to be. Mgmt had a vision, and they signed people to best fit that vision. Did they strike out on Afflalo? Yup. Is there tinkering to be done? Sure. The important thing is to not go all Chicken Little right now. A savvy move might get us somewhere. The goal isn't a championship, yet. It's making Sacramento a viable location to fringe players that would be an upgrade, but the same style, of duds like Afflalo and Tolliver. You can see the vision, but the execution was a little lacking, given, well, what we've seen.

TL;DR: It's not Joerger. Keep the vision, move some parts.
 
There's only been 2 people on the team that have been good/great this year. Cousins and Temple (I hated him earlier this season but he proved me wrong).

There's two others who have had decent moments but need consistency. Collison and Koufos.

The rest are either young guys that haven't filled potential (McLemore and WCS) or old guys who have been a disaster and need to be traded (Gay, Afflalo, lesser extent barnes and Lawson.)

Casspi and Tolliver have been ok given their role but don't care one way or the other if they bolt.

The team is a mess. Joerger is the right type of coach to lead the franchise forward. The problem is the roster is ****ed beyond repair. This is a 3-4 year rebuild and likely needs cousins to be gone to get headed towards consistent playoff appearances/contender status.

The old regime screwed us in drafting. We desperately need a Leonard, Lillard, Thompson type to fall to us to pair with Boogie if we have any hope of keeping Boogie here and being competitive.

Draft last year was pretty bad, Pappagiannis is 3 years away from being a player which is best case, Skal has potential but need to hit the weight room. Malachi needs better shot selection but think this pick could end up being a decent roleplayer in a couple years.

Joerger is NOT the problem. He's the first thing since Cousins to being a long-term piece of the puzzle. The fan base needs patience as keeping Cousins/trading Cousins it's a 3-4 year rebuild.

First step is to trade Rudy, Afflalo for cap, and any of WCS, McLemore, or even Collison if he won't re-sign this summer. Need to cash in on players that are in FA this summer and get some young potential for Joerger to coach up.
 
also if the Kings lose to the Blazers, I think it's time to start the tank. It's only 3 games but the Blazers own the only playoff spot that's up for grabs this year. A loss even this early will be horrible.
 
CyKings said:
also if the Kings lose to the Blazers, I think it's time to start the tank. It's only 3 games but the Blazers own the only playoff spot that's up for grabs this year. A loss even this early will be horrible.
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You contradicted yourself in a single sentence. The Blazers are defending like a team coached by a Karl-disciple, just lost their "best" defender for the season, their other "best" defender also keeps getting hurt (Aminu), and their best big man is a Plumlee brother. Unless Lillard somehow ascends to the level of superstar basketball god, it's hard to see them ever just running away with the eight seed.
 
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