Jermaine O'Neal's Theory of Detroit-Indiana Brawl

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Remorseful O'Neal Defends NBA, Players
By Michael Cunningham
STAFF WRITER

January 16, 2005

INDIANAPOLIS · If not for a favorable ruling by a federal judge, Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal probably would have watched his team's game against Phoenix on Friday night on television.

It would have been the final game of a 25-game suspension for O'Neal's role in the brawl between Pacers players and Detroit Pistons fans Nov. 19. A judge upheld an arbitrator's ruling that NBA Commissioner David Stern's punishment of O'Neal was too harsh, and O'Neal returned Dec. 25 after missing just 15 games.

O'Neal said after Indiana's 101-83 victory that the significance of Friday's game didn't occur to him.

"When I got cleared, that calendar went out the window," O'Neal said.

Instead, O'Neal's mind is busy with other thoughts about the fight and the public reaction to it. O'Neal said he wonders why the predominantly black NBA is judged more harshly than other sports. Why, he asked, did a fight between players and fans lead to a conversation about the state of the league and the temperament of its players?

When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan or an NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent, O'Neal said the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was limited to the individuals.

"These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a little bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged by what happened [in Detroit]."

O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age limit for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when some of them are among the best and most popular players.

"I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.

O'Neal said he feels that because of what happened in Detroit, he has been portrayed as a thug when nothing in his history suggests he is violent.

"I am not a killer," said O'Neal, a three-time All-Star. "I am not a beastly guy. It was just a bad situation that happened. Everybody goes through situations where you say, `Man, I wish that hadn't happened.'

"But does that make you a bad person?"

For about 20 minutes Friday night, O'Neal, thoughtful and seemingly earnest, contemplated such questions and their possible answers to a handful of reporters. He said he accepts that he and his teammates deserved punishment for the fight. It started when Pacers forward Ron Artest, reacting to being hit in the face by a fan's drink, rushed the stands and ignited a brawl that eventually spilled onto the playing floor.

O'Neal did not rush the stands, but punched a man who was among a handful of fans that came onto the court. Artest's suspension was for 73 games, Stephen Jackson got 30 and Anthony Johnson got five.

O'Neal's suspension was the only one of the four overturned on appeal by arbitrator Roger Kaplan. In his report, Kaplan said of O'Neal: "He is the recipient of a couple of awards attesting to his character, community involvement and citizenship. His one punch of a spectator, while excessive, was clearly out of character."

The league appealed to a federal judge, arguing that its collective bargaining agreement with players gives Stern discretion to hand out such suspensions. The judge upheld Kaplan's decision.

"I think that made me breathe a little bit easier," O'Neal said of Kaplan citing his character. "`He is a good guy in a bad situation.' That is really what it was."

Teammates Jamaal Tinsley and Fred Jones said O'Neal cares deeply about what the public thinks of him. Jones said there have been times he has been out with O'Neal and the two ended up being late somewhere because O'Neal made time to talk to fans.

O'Neal said he has always taken his position as a role model seriously, both because his 5-year-old daughter, Asjia, and "millions of other kids and fans" look up to him. But the idea of O'Neal as a nice guy and good citizen is in contrast to what TV cameras showed from Nov. 19.

The video of O'Neal lunging at the fan and throwing a vicious punch to his face was one of several shocking scenes that was replayed for days and dissected by newspaper columnists and television analysts. Too many of them, O'Neal said, used the incident to condemn the league's players.

"What has to do with me, I am willing to deal with all of that," he said, "but it is hard to accept people trying to [criticize] my peers and my league."

He said all baseball players didn't suffer when Rangers pitcher Frank Francisco threw a chair that hit a woman in the stands in 2004. Nor was there much worrying about the state of the NHL last month when player Mike Danton was sentenced to prison for conspiring to have his agent murdered.

Several times O'Neal said he wasn't making excuses for his role in the fight. But he said he is troubled by how the media covered it.

He said eventually all the furor will pass.

"When I walk away from the game and if I continue to live my life the way I have lived it, nobody will never remember this," O'Neal said.

He said this not long after he said it "kills" him to be associated with what is considered the worst player-fan brawl in U.S. sports history, so how does he expect to escape its stigma?

"Obviously, it is going to be difficult," he said. "But I can't see 15, 16 years from now, [people saying], `You are the guy that got in the fight in Detroit.' They are not going to say that.

"They are going to say, `Jermaine O'Neal is a great guy and also a good basketball player.'"

Michael Cunningham can be reached at mcunningham@sun-sentinel.com.


Copyright © 2005, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
 
Oh bull. The reason that this was made such a big deal was because it was total chaos with not one player doing one thing, but 4 players throwing puches at fans in the stands. JO didn't go into the stands and in my mind made much better decisions than Artest and Jackson, but they still went into the stands and stayed there. Bradley (it was Bradley right) threw the chair, which he shouldn't have done, but you didn't see him jump into the stands and go nutty on a bunch of fans ala Artest or Jackson.

Maybe its because punches were thrown. Punches seem more real, more violent than a chair. Maybe because they were black had something to do with what was said in some peoples mind, but in my mind it didn't matter. Black, white, purple, orange, they still went into the stand and started a brawl.
 
me personally, im over the whole brawl situation...and he's right no one is gonna look back and think that about him 15-20 years from now

he reacted...he shouldn't of but he did...whats done is done...and i still think he's a great basketball player
 
Instead, O'Neal's mind is busy with other thoughts about the fight and the public reaction to it. O'Neal said he wonders why the predominantly black NBA is judged more harshly than other sports. Why, he asked, did a fight between players and fans lead to a conversation about the state of the league and the temperament of its players?

Um, he REALLY wonders why players going into the stands would make people wonder about the temperment of the players? I'm confused by the whole black angle, were all the players black? Were all the fans white? Who would even NOTICE that sort of thing in the middle of that kind of meltdown? I sure as hell didn't. Is he trying to say if Artest was a psycho white dude, none of the punishment would have been handed down?
 
While I usually ignore any desperate playing of the "race card" I think it may have been a slight factor here. Not a whole lot, but it was there.
 
Purple Reign said:
Instead, O'Neal's mind is busy with other thoughts about the fight and the public reaction to it. O'Neal said he wonders why the predominantly black NBA is judged more harshly than other sports. Why, he asked, did a fight between players and fans lead to a conversation about the state of the league and the temperament of its players?

When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan or an NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent, O'Neal said the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was limited to the individuals.

"These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a little bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged by what happened [in Detroit]."

O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age limit for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when some of them are among the best and most popular players.

"I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.

You know if this would have been some one like Rodman or even Artest, I would tend to dismiss these comments. But Jermaine O'Neal is one of the more thoughtful athletes in America.

And as we are on the eve of celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday, Jermaine O'Neal is deciding not to state the obvious but the subtle. The things that when we read at face value society tends to dismiss. He makes a valid point that what happend in Detroit has caused a "black" cloud over a whole sport, where a man was plotting to kill his agent. That did not cause society to question the temperment of the NHL. Bertuzzi darn near kills a peer on the ice, another NHL player swings a stick at a peer on the ice and nobody questions the temperment of it's sport.
 
I am ashamed of Jermaine O'Neal for resorting to the use of the race card. It isn't about race. What it's about is the proximity of the fans to the players, which doesn't happen in any other sport.

What happened in Detroit gave the NBA a black eye. That's not an African-American eye. It's a black eye, as in the color the skin turns because of ruptured capillaries and other medical stuff.

The fan didn't throw the beer at Artest because he was black. The public didn't make an outcry because Artest, O'Neal and Jackson are black.

Jermaine O'Neal is full of it. The public has every right to criticize him and his team-mates for their actions as well as discuss the stupidity of the fan who in essence started the whole melee. It's not about race, O'Neal. It's about knowing when to be the bigger man - black, white, green, purple or striped - and not be drawn into the ridiculous scenario that unfolded in Detroit. He may not want to be remembered for his actions at The Palace that day. Well, that's too bad. Maybe he should have thought about that first.

I repeat. None of this is about race. If he thinks it is, shame on him.
 
O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age limit for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when some of them are among the best and most popular players.

"I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.

Or maybe it's because a lot of people just don't think young men coming out of high school are equipped to handle the extreme changes they encounter in the NBA. The schedule of the NBA is arduous and much tougher than most other sports he named. The salaries are higher and so are the chances of being exploited. And, as often happens, once the person has declared for the draft if he doesn't get drafted he's lost whatever chances he may have had. We all hear about the successes in the NBA, but they are the exceptions. Look at all the failures. For every LeBron James out there, how many Fred Failures are there - working in the local McDonalds and wondering why they didn't stay in school?
 
That did not cause society to question the temperment of the NHL. Bertuzzi darn near kills a peer on the ice, another NHL player swings a stick at a peer on the ice and nobody questions the temperment of it's sport.

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the temperment of hockey ALWAYS been questionable? Fights on the ice commonplace? What's there to question? If said hockey player (was he white? black? does it freaking matter??????) had run up into the stands and started whaling on FANS would there have been an outcry? I bet there would have.
 
And as we are on the eve of celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday, Jermaine O'Neal is deciding not to state the obvious but the subtle. The things that when we read at face value society tends to dismiss

Perhaps you can claify for me which of Martin Luther Kings visions O'Neal thinks he is epitomizing? Because I see MEN, black and white, who lost control. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
WOW !!!

Why does the "race card" always get played whenever blame from the individual needs to be shifted ?

Hiding behind "race" is very cowardly. Bottomline "blacks" or "whites" did not screw up. Individuals did and he was one of them.
 
VF21 said:
I am ashamed of Jermaine O'Neal for resorting to the use of the race card. It isn't about race. What it's about is the proximity of the fans to the players, which doesn't happen in any other sport.

What happened in Detroit gave the NBA a black eye. That's not an African-American eye. It's a black eye, as in the color the skin turns because of ruptured capillaries and other medical stuff.

The fan didn't throw the beer at Artest because he was black. The public didn't make an outcry because Artest, O'Neal and Jackson are black.

Jermaine O'Neal is full of it. The public has every right to criticize him and his team-mates for their actions as well as discuss the stupidity of the fan who in essence started the whole melee. It's not about race, O'Neal. It's about knowing when to be the bigger man - black, white, green, purple or striped - and not be drawn into the ridiculous scenario that unfolded in Detroit. He may not want to be remembered for his actions at The Palace that day. Well, that's too bad. Maybe he should have thought about that first.

I repeat. None of this is about race. If he thinks it is, shame on him.

Well said VF21!
This was my favorite line..."What happened in Detroit gave the NBA a black eye. That's not an African-American eye."
 
piksi said:
WOW !!!

Why does the "race card" always get played whenever blame from the individual needs to be shifted ?

Hiding behind "race" is very cowardly. Bottomline "blacks" or "whites" did not screw up. Individuals did and he was one of them.


I agree with the piksimist.


Its dissapinting JO would say something like that. I hope he realizes when he gets older and matures how wrong he is.
 
piksi said:
Hiding behind "race" is very cowardly. Bottomline "blacks" or "whites" did not screw up. Individuals did and he was one of them.
This is one of the very few statements that I can actually agree with you on.
 
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