[Rumor] Jake Fisher: Raptors ‘still intrigued’ by Domantas Sabonis

If Toronto wants Sabonis, I'm working this out without taking Poeltl back.
From what I see
Barrett, Ochai, Murray-Boyles, Temple for Sabonis works. I'd do that and be happy without any picks. CMB was the #9 overall pick.

Toronto is currently #3 in the east, pick #22. They've done this with Poeltl playing 21 games and not very productive. Add Sabonis and that pick is looking like #25 this year.

The 2028 1st is probably in the same boat with IQ, Ingram, Barnes, Sabonis locked in that year. To me, two late 1sts isn't worth taking on that Poeltl contract which may be the worst in the league, let alone eating Barrett, adding Keon, and Sabonis.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
If Toronto wants Sabonis, I'm working this out without taking Poeltl back.
From what I see
Barrett, Ochai, Murray-Boyles, Temple for Sabonis works. I'd do that and be happy without any picks. CMB was the #9 overall pick.

Toronto is currently #3 in the east, pick #22. They've done this with Poeltl playing 21 games and not very productive. Add Sabonis and that pick is looking like #25 this year.

The 2028 1st is probably in the same boat with IQ, Ingram, Barnes, Sabonis locked in that year. To me, two late 1sts isn't worth taking on that Poeltl contract which may be the worst in the league, let alone eating Barrett, adding Keon, and Sabonis.
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Why a 4-for-1 trade and not a more manageable 4-for-3 or 4-for-4 trade instead?
 
KingsRUs said:
^^^ Actually I wouldnt say Suns have “nothing”, there are circumstances where Green, who would I’m guessing be the main piece coming back, is still young enough to bet on… just not sure he’s what you would want foundationally for Domas
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Ya I’d take Green, Maluach, Dunn, and whatever pick is possible over the trash we’d get from Chicago or Toronto. A scorer, young big, and a good wig defender is pretty god value

Green is only 23
 
I'd try to see if Charlotte is interested here, they haven't made the Postseason since 2016 and they may be trying to break that drought. A pairing with LaMelo could be interesting
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Why a 4-for-1 trade and not a more manageable 4-for-3 or 4-for-4 trade instead?
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I don't think Raptors can take much salary here. Even this, idk if its legal because they'd need to sign replacement players.

But sure, we could loop in an additional team to take Precious for free.

The way I see it, I won't lose any sleep if we cut Russ, Eubanks, Doug, Precious or Saric in any deals. That's 5 guys taking roster spots who are all expiring and can be bought out/cut without hurting us at all.
 
kingsboi said:
I'd try to see if Charlotte is interested here, they haven't made the Postseason since 2016 and they may be trying to break that drought. A pairing with LaMelo could be interesting
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I agree that Charlotte with Sabonis could be interesting. But I’m not sure there’s a path to a deal without Miles Bridges coming back unless its a multi team trade.
 
TheMobb said:
I agree that Charlotte with Sabonis could be interesting. But I’m not sure there’s a path to a deal without Miles Bridges coming back unless its a multi team trade.
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Sabonis for knuepple, Williams, and green checks out but if they wanna be selfish and not trade Knuepple than this trade works salary wise.

Williams, Green, Connaughton, Kalkbrenner, 2026 first (top 3 protected), 2028 and 2030 firsts

For

Sabonis, McDermott, and Eubanks


I think kalkbrenner could be a starting center and you get a lottery pick this year
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Is there any issue to cutting Doug, Eubanks, and Precious? We shouldn't be trying to win. maybe we can ship precious for cash before hand and open up a roster spot.
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I don't think we should cut Precious. If we had to cut three players, I would add Saric to the list.

But my point does stand, because if we were to cut those players instead of trade them back, then we're on the hook for the remainder of the salary, and we are at the edge of the luxury tax. The payout for teams not over the tax is expected to be about $11-12M, and that's plenty enough money for Vivek to be very careful about.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2016621633524359260

No crap
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We should get multiple first rounders. It’s the Kings taking on the worse contract situation in this case while also giving up the best player in the package. It would have to be a draft pick overpay by the Raptors to make the deal worth it at all.

I honestly don’t think the Kings should deal with them at all unless a third team with expirings is involved. Like say Atlanta or Washington to potentially take Barrett and send more immediate relief the Kings way but I don’t like it
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Keep in mind that if we do a 4-for-1 trade, we have to cut three players. And none of those three players can be in the trade.
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There are three easily creatable roster slots on this team. Any of Saric, Eubanks, or Doug could be outright cut. Eubanks could probably be traded to a team needing a center for a low second round pick. Also, keep in mind that a Keon trade probably is just for picks, not a player, so that is another potential roster slot.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Sabonis for knuepple, Williams, and green checks out but if they wanna be selfish and not trade Knuepple than this trade works salary wise.

Williams, Green, Connaughton, Kalkbrenner, 2026 first (top 3 protected), 2028 and 2030 firsts

For

Sabonis, McDermott, and Eubanks


I think kalkbrenner could be a starting center and you get a lottery pick this year
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Sabonis isn't worth nearly that much.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I don't think we should cut Precious. If we had to cut three players, I would add Saric to the list.

But my point does stand, because if we were to cut those players instead of trade them back, then we're on the hook for the remainder of the salary, and we are at the edge of the luxury tax. The payout for teams not over the tax is expected to be about $11-12M, and that's plenty enough money for Vivek to be very careful about.
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Capt. Factorial said:
There's a 0% chance that Vivek allows Russ to be cut.
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Ya, I'd of course explore a deal where Russ/Precious are sent to 3rd teams. But I wouldn't pass up a better deal at the concern of our cheap owners pocket book.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
If Toronto wants Sabonis, I'm working this out without taking Poeltl back.
From what I see
Barrett, Ochai, Murray-Boyles, Temple for Sabonis works. I'd do that and be happy without any picks. CMB was the #9 overall pick.

Toronto is currently #3 in the east, pick #22. They've done this with Poeltl playing 21 games and not very productive. Add Sabonis and that pick is looking like #25 this year.

The 2028 1st is probably in the same boat with IQ, Ingram, Barnes, Sabonis locked in that year. To me, two late 1sts isn't worth taking on that Poeltl contract which may be the worst in the league, let alone eating Barrett, adding Keon, and Sabonis.
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Yeah definetly keep Poeltl out of it. Not sure they add MBT and with that it probably wont work.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
You wouldn't, but you're not in charge of the cheap owner's pocketbook. The cheap owner is.
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This trade would add .4 million to the Kings salary. We are 3.38 million away from the tax line. This still gives us plenty of cushion. And again, In an effort to make it simple I suggested cutting players, but I'm sure teams would take Precious for a fake 2nd actually giving us even more cushion. And if need be we see plenty of real life examples where we call the Jazz/Nets and say take Saric and cash for minimum player to open up even more space.

Not advocating for Vivek to go into the tax this year regardless, its a lost year and wouldn't make sense. I'd like him to in winning years, but we know that won't happen. But If I can't improve the team for fear of adding .4 million, then what are we as fans even following for?
 
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Light it up said:
Yeah definetly keep Poeltl out of it. Not sure they add MBT and with that it probably wont work.
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To clean up the trade for fans worried about a 4 for 1, while also finding a home for Poeltl.

Kings out: Sabonis, Ellis
Kings in: Barrett, Ochai, Collin Murray-Boyles

Kings save 4.2 million, allowing them to easily cut Eubanks or McDermott while still being + money here.

Raptors out: RJ, Ochai, CMB, Poeltl, Temple, 1st, 2nds
Raptors in: Sabonis, Portis, Keon, Kevin Porter Jr

IQ - Keon - Ingram - Barnes - Sabonis
Shead - KPJ - Dick - Portis - Mamu

Raptors look really good after this

Bucks out: Portis, KPJ
Bucks in: Poeltl, Temple, 1st, 2nds
Get an extra 1st and 2nds for taking Poeltl as they enter a rebuild.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
This trade would add .4 million to the Kings salary. We are 3.38 million away from the tax line.

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Not advocating for Vivek to go into the tax this year regardless, its a lost year and wouldn't make sense. I'd like him to in winning years, but we know that won't happen. But If I can't improve the team for fear of adding .4 million, then what are we as fans even following for?
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I'm not saying that we can't increase salary by 400K, nothing remotely like it.

What I'm saying is that nothing happens in a vacuum. We are likely hoping to make several trades, any of which may require salary filler either coming or going. We're also trying to stay under the tax line. Put all of that together and maintaining maximum flexibility until the framework of all of the deals is in place is important. Cutting three players really hurts that flexibility - so I wouldn't advocate for doing that unless we're done in the trade market.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I'm not saying that we can't increase salary by 400K, nothing remotely like it.

What I'm saying is that nothing happens in a vacuum. We are likely hoping to make several trades, any of which may require salary filler either coming or going. We're also trying to stay under the tax line. Put all of that together and maintaining maximum flexibility until the framework of all of the deals is in place is important. Cutting three players really hurts that flexibility - so I wouldn't advocate for doing that unless we're done in the trade market.
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I agree.
IMO we should be searching for low value trades for Precious/Russ immediately anyways. These seem like no brainer deals to have lined up before the deadline.

You mentioned 4 for 1s being hampering. My point is that there's plenty of ways to navigate this. 3rd teams, other trades where we send these guys off, potential 2 for 1s from our end involving Schroder/Saric/Monk/Demar/Eubanks etc..

Hopefully this team has a ton lined up. I'm not as confident that these other guys (outside maybe Schroder?) have much of a market.

But it seems you and I are in agreement. Just a miscommunication.
 
I saw yesterday Ham or someone was reporting that the Kings are down to swap Barrett with Sabonis, but have no interest in IQ or Poeltl. Meaning the deal would need to be a 4 for 1. This is what I was talking exactly about last week!
Sabonis for Barrett, Ochai, CMB, Temple. We already opened 1 spot with the trade two days ago.

Find a home for Westbrook before the deadline. Toss cash at a 3rd team to take Temple, and suddenly you don't need to cut anyone.

Move Demar for any available expiring (Rozier if Miami doesn't make a move?). "shut down" Lavine for rest of the season, let Murray continue to recover. End the year with-

Maxime/Cardwell
Murray Boyles/Precious
Hunter/Ochai
Barrett/Nique
Carter/Stevens

Imagine the roster featuring a bunch of young 20 somethings with the vets being Hunter, Precious, Barrett. A massive overnight change.

I would watch every minute of the 2nd half of the season if they did this.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
imo we should be shooting for Murray-Boyles over picks. Picks from Toronto are likely to be in the late 20s. Boyles is a recent top 10 with good size and upside. Thats the prize when trading with them!
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Would love Murray-Boyles, but I’m not sure how realistic that is as Toronto seems to be super high on him.
 
TheMobb said:
Would love Murray-Boyles, but I’m not sure how realistic that is as Toronto seems to be super high on him.
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I think Toronto is going to want to dump Poeltl. But I don't think asking for CMB to turn Barrett into Sabonis is a huge ask.

Then they can use their picks to turn Poeltl into something.

And if that doesn't work for them, sometimes you need to be patient. Discuss Sabonis with Phoenix, Washington, etc.. My opinion maintains that its not worth eating Barrett/Poeltl for 2 late 1sts while giving them Sabonis.
 
dude12 said:
Yes, but if you want a Domas who can do more for them right now for playoffs, it’s not as far off….consideration needs to be done on their part. No Domas, their playoff dreams of staying in for a while take a hit
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That's true but Domas is probably someone that nets a first or two or a decent young prospect. Not both.
 
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