I'm kind of surprised seeing LA Lakers like this
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Fillmoe
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the guy has had championship teams put in his lap all the time.... and now when he doesnt look at him..... HAHAHA! i bet anything he quits if things aint going right
KingKong
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Are you seriously going to undermine 10 or odd years of Phil's coaching by 13 games into 1 season riddled with injuries and a complete roster makover. I not making excuses for them, but verybody deserves some time before we jump to conlusions especially when history is not on your side. We aren't doing to much better than the Lakers at this point, but there is still time.
Bricklayer
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zip95843 said:Maybe Phil Jax coach genious IS a little overblown after all...
Of course its overblown. But NO coach can turn turds into diamonds. Think the real question with Phil will just be whether he has a plan and is working long term here -- both with the big kids inside, and with Kobe (my thought would be, let Kobe take every shot he wants and try to break him like a colt as the losses pile up and he realizes he's never going to win that way). Because there is also always the spectre of Phil just coming back for the money and more or less mailing this shift in.
In any case, nothing in long run at the top has ever been comparable to this. His precedent means very little right now.
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Fillmoe
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hoopsfan said:
true he deserves more time..... before we judge him.... but as of right now it aint looking too good......
HndsmCelt
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As one who has frequently criticized PJ for being highly over rated and essentialy the right guy in the right place then smart enough to only coach teams with HUGE advantages over the competion I was surprised he took the job in LA. Brick may be right it's all about easy money for him, but to give him the benifit of the doubt I still suspect he may have been trying to prove that he was more than lucky, that he truely was a great coach ala Red Arbauch. To be equally fair Hoops has a point about the "New team" (8 of 15 players are not new and 4 of the starting 5 are not new either) being new to the system. (agian at least 5 of the palyers have experienc ein the ever so complex triangle offense) So I think it is a bit premature to rip PJ as a fraud, but rest assured if the Lakers are still celler dwellers at all star break some kid is going to point out that Emerior Phil has no cloths and then the press feeding frenzy will begin. Of course there is also the posiblity that the team will pass their geomety final and learn the triangle, that Kobe will emerge from meditation aware that over shooting and not passing will net him that AI acheivement award not a Shaqless ring and all will be well in Laker Land. Time will tell.
Variant
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The only people predicting great things for the Lakers this year were Lakers homers. Other than Kobe they have a journeyman in Odom and a bunch of scrubs.
They may eventually begin playing more consistently, but I'd gander the situation isn't going to change there until they can get some more talent.
Keeping in perspective of course that even with all of our talent we're barely .500
They may eventually begin playing more consistently, but I'd gander the situation isn't going to change there until they can get some more talent.
Keeping in perspective of course that even with all of our talent we're barely .500
Gargamel
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This is the most offensively challenged Laker team I've personally seen, and I don't even think their defense is half bad considering the roster. At the very least, it's not nearly as bad as it was under Rudy/Hamblen.
Some LA fans have compared the post-Shaq teams with the post-Magic teams. I guarantee you the 92 and 93 Laker rosters would beat this current team in a hypothetical series. Some idiot at CL likened Cook to Horry and then a bigger idiot corrected him by saying that Cook was "no better than Sam Perkins". I had to slap my forehead on that one. I'd kill to have the Perkins of old as our starting 4 right now. The poor historical perspective at CL and LG has protected a lot of fans there from realizing how grim this situation is. And here's something of note for you Kings fans: if and when LA misses the playoffs, they lose their 1st round pick unless it's top 10. The only two beneficial options are making the playoffs or losing around 48 games.
Some LA fans have compared the post-Shaq teams with the post-Magic teams. I guarantee you the 92 and 93 Laker rosters would beat this current team in a hypothetical series. Some idiot at CL likened Cook to Horry and then a bigger idiot corrected him by saying that Cook was "no better than Sam Perkins". I had to slap my forehead on that one. I'd kill to have the Perkins of old as our starting 4 right now. The poor historical perspective at CL and LG has protected a lot of fans there from realizing how grim this situation is. And here's something of note for you Kings fans: if and when LA misses the playoffs, they lose their 1st round pick unless it's top 10. The only two beneficial options are making the playoffs or losing around 48 games.
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hoopsfan
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HndsmCelt said:
Red's teams were always stacked with HOF players. He had no less than 4 HOFers and as many as 6 on the team at one time. (Russell, Cousy, Sharman, Heinsohn, K.C. and Sam Jones, Havlicek, and even ex-Minneapolis Laker Clyde Lovelette) Not to mention they only had to play like 8 games to win the Championship. I don't get where Red gets off saying that he was so much better than PJ and Phil has just been lucky.
Looks like he was way luckier in his day.
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AriesMar27
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though i live in la and hate the lakers.... outside of cook.... i love their bench.... compared to ours atleast.... id trade anyone on our bench for sasha and luke, maybe not their bigs, but then again ours arent even big.....
mcsluggo
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Variant said:The only people predicting great things for the Lakers this year were Lakers homers. Other than Kobe they have a journeyman in Odom and a bunch of scrubs.
They may eventually begin playing more consistently, but I'd gander the situation isn't going to change there until they can get some more talent.
Keeping in perspective of course that even with all of our talent we're barely .500
Odo is better than you give him credit for. In fact, for all the talent you give the King's credit for, I'm not sure that ODO wouldn't be the best player on the Kings, if he were here. (although his personality isn't suited to being big fish numero uno, so he would never really take the reigns as a number one player)
You could argue that Bibby or Miller are more valuable, purely because their positions are so much hardr to fill. But that is illusional, since bibby really isn't a pg for the kings, and Miller really isn't a center, and since neither of them defend they are not filling a defensive matchup problem at the other end of the floor. (Hell the Kings could put ODO at center in their system and not have a noticeable difference-- he can pass fine, and if he isn't gonna have to rebound or defend... what the hell!)
ODO is about on par with Bonzi and SAR, and it is hard to compare other players to Peja, since nobody does the things (thing) he does well as well as Peja does, and Peja doesn't do any of the other things as well as everyone else.
Basically ODO is (should be) the CONSUMATE King. Has some real talent, doesn't have the personality to take the team and make them his, or drag the team up to the next level. He is a perfect piece, but never to be considered THE piece. A king's player to the tee. Trade for him.
mcsluggo
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If "the Phil" actually does have some sort of soothing zen magic he is able to spread on players, Kwame could turn out to be a decent player as well. Not a super star, but a real valuable, big pogo stick, contributor
THis really is the time to see if PJ has magic dali lama pixie dust, or not.
THis really is the time to see if PJ has magic dali lama pixie dust, or not.
Variant
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There's no question Odom is a very talented and skilled player and on any given night can put up some great numbers.
However, from what I've seen of him this year he's also inconsistent, quite often soft, and often disappears for entire games. I cannot imagine him performing much better in a playoff situation.
I'd agree that he's about on par with Shareef, but I don't consider Shareef much more than a journeyman. Skilled, but on a team like the Lakers, Kobe needs someone who can fill up the stat sheet every night along side him.
Odom would probably be a better fit on the Kings, but he's definitely not Kobe's Pippen as so many Laker fans were hoping he'd be.
Also, I think I'll have to predict that Phil goes to Bynum more than he does to Kwame as the season progresses...
However, from what I've seen of him this year he's also inconsistent, quite often soft, and often disappears for entire games. I cannot imagine him performing much better in a playoff situation.
I'd agree that he's about on par with Shareef, but I don't consider Shareef much more than a journeyman. Skilled, but on a team like the Lakers, Kobe needs someone who can fill up the stat sheet every night along side him.
Odom would probably be a better fit on the Kings, but he's definitely not Kobe's Pippen as so many Laker fans were hoping he'd be.
Also, I think I'll have to predict that Phil goes to Bynum more than he does to Kwame as the season progresses...
Based on what I saw of him in Miami, my gut feeling is that this is more a function of Kobe Bryant than it is of Lamar Odom...Variant said:
Gargamel
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hoopsfan said:
Red was such a good coach that Russell won 2 championships right after Red retired in a player-coach capacity. Red was such a keen eye for talent that he intentionally passed over Cousy in the draft, calling him an Okie from the Skokie. Red was such a keen eye for talent that one of his friends from the West, a college coach, informed him of Russell.
Red is 1-up on Phil in terms of making personnel moves, chiefly trading for the rights to Russell. He lucked into Cousy thru a hat-draw during a dispersal draft when the team who drafted him folded. Cooze don't count on his record. What this stuff has to do with actual coaching beats me.
In other words, Red > Phil as a GM. Only thing is, Phil's never been a GM so...moot.
SacTownKid
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I like Cook too. He is tough and can hit those 3's like few other big men.
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thesanityannex
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i used to watch cook at l.b. state
i can't stand him
first he was a dirtbag, now he's a laker....................ewww
i can't stand him
first he was a dirtbag, now he's a laker....................ewww
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AriesMar27
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Gargamel said:
he isnt a starter but he's that darius songaila quality type of player.... he always seems to end up with an easy bucket without doing much..... sasha and luke are also career quality bench players, that can all hit an open 3ball.... thats why i like the lakers bench..... i hate kobe and phil, odom is cool though.... brown, mihm, bynum and mckie are blah..... parker has his moments....
but as vf says... its the name on the front of the jersey(that i hate, lol)
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ONEZERO
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the only laker i ever kinda liked(and i have no idea why
) was kareem rush... everyone else is ridiculously retarded
) was kareem rush... everyone else is ridiculously retarded
6th
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If I were in Utah, I would be tempted to throw my soda at that ref. How absolutely awful. Talk about giving everything to Kobe and the L.A. Kobes.
The Jazz came back from behind and actually pulled ahead by 2 pts with just over 4 sec left on the clock. Kobe missed...everyone is celebrating and some idiot called a very very late whistle to send Kobe to the line. He WAS NOT FOULED. The only contact came after the shot when Kobe initiated contact by hitting the defenders arm on Kobe's follow-through. Fortunately, the replay clearly showed that Kobe was on the line, so he only got 2 FT's.....made them both...tie game...going to OT.
God, I hate refs.
The Jazz came back from behind and actually pulled ahead by 2 pts with just over 4 sec left on the clock. Kobe missed...everyone is celebrating and some idiot called a very very late whistle to send Kobe to the line. He WAS NOT FOULED. The only contact came after the shot when Kobe initiated contact by hitting the defenders arm on Kobe's follow-through. Fortunately, the replay clearly showed that Kobe was on the line, so he only got 2 FT's.....made them both...tie game...going to OT.
God, I hate refs.
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