I'm calling it... we suck

[VF21]

You can't deny it or sugarcoat it any longer. You cannot say it's too early in the season or that the coaching staff needs more time to get settled in...

We suck.

And now it's up to each Kings fan to figure out how he/she is going to handle this team that could well be renamed the Sacramento Hoovers. It doesn't do any good to get angry; it doesn't do any good to scream at the TV. They can't hear us... and even if they could, we aren't saying anything they don't already know.

They suck.

Quote of the night:

At least they are not getting our hopes up anymore.

Now, having started this thread, does this mean I'm giving up on the Kings? Of course not. I love this team. But I have no hopes left whatsoever for anything other than a decent lottery pick and some good deals through trades or perhaps a free agent acquisition or two.

This group of young men is not a team. This current assemblage cannot be expected to do the impossible. You can see the frustration on their faces because, just like the gerbil in the wheel, no matter how fast they run they aren't going to get anywhere.

The current head coach does not impress me. Whether it's a cause-effect or effect-cause problem doesn't matter. He simply cannot seem to find a way to get this group of players to win. In fact, he can't seem to get them to maintain the same presence from one half to another. I said in another thread that he must be serving Prozac kool-aid at half-time, because the few games we've started out well have seemed to go totally down the tubes after the break.

We suck.

And I'm a Kings fan.

I'm sure we'll be meeting here again soon. Have a nice evening. There's coffee and donuts in the lobby.

 

[TheJoker]

VF21 do you think Musselman is the problem?
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[BibbyFAN10]

You can't deny it or sugarcoat it any longer. You cannot say it's too early in the season or that the coaching staff needs more time to get settled in...

We suck.

And now it's up to each Kings fan to figure out how he/she is going to handle this team that could well be renamed the Sacramento Hoovers. It doesn't do any good to get angry; it doesn't do any good to scream at the TV. They can't hear us... and even if they could, we aren't saying anything they don't already know.

They suck.

Quote of the night:



Now, having started this thread, does this mean I'm giving up on the Kings? Of course not. I love this team. But I have no hopes left whatsoever for anything other than a decent lottery pick and some good deals through trades or perhaps a free agent acquisition or two.

This group of young men is not a team. This current assemblage cannot be expected to do the impossible. You can see the frustration on their faces because, just like the gerbil in the wheel, no matter how fast they run they aren't going to get anywhere.

The current head coach does not impress me. Whether it's a cause-effect or effect-cause problem doesn't matter. He simply cannot seem to find a way to get this group of players to win. In fact, he can't seem to get them to maintain the same presence from one half to another. I said in another thread that he must be serving Prozac kool-aid at half-time, because the few games we've started out well have seemed to go totally down the tubes after the break.

We suck.

And I'm a Kings fan.

I'm sure we'll be meeting here again soon. Have a nice evening. There's coffee and donuts in the lobby.

VF, I agree. I said those same words tonight in the Rose Garden. I love the Kings and am a fan, but it's time to face facts.

 

[chelle]

I have forgotten how I handled the losing before the Vlade era. Then, we never REALLY expected to win. Oh, I always hoped for it, but knew it was not going to happen. Then came THE TEAM. They got us all, not hoping, but EXPECTING to win. Now, it is hard to go back. I don't want to. I want to be upset when we lose, not accepting of it.

Right now, I place blame on everyone from the Maloofs, to the EXECS, to the coaches, and players. This group they have assembled is not a team. I still refuse to support losing on purpose. Sadly, I really do not think that will be needed. The players seem to try their hardest for most of the time on the court and still lose. Only a few seem to care when they lose anymore. That is sad.

I am RARELY a fire th coach person, but I am VERY close to that now.

 

[VF21]

TheJoker -- I don't think he's "THE" problem but I think his lack of ability to handle players is part of the problem. I also think his stringent adherence to "two fouls and you go to the bench" is ridiculous and I firmly believe he is incapable of thinking outside the box.

There are so many problems with this current "team" that only by admitting the true depth of suckage will we even begin to turn around, not to mention get better.

Musselman is the "rebound" coach. He's the guy between your last great coach and your next good one. I doubt if he'll be around after the next year at the most.

Let Petrie rebuild the team, keep Musselman around long enough to guarantee a second good draft through the lottery and then find someone to step in with real coaching acumen.

But that's just my opinion. I've seen enough to make a judgment about him and his prowess as a head coach. I'm not impressed. If others want to continue to hold out hope, that's up to them. That's like the gerbil, though, in my mind. The wheel is spinning but you're not making any progress.

 

[BibbyFAN10]

[/quote] I am RARELY a fire th coach person, but I am VERY close to that now.[/quote]


I am with you.

 

[TheJoker]

The fact that your saying we suck makes me more depressed VF21 just because i know your a believer. it truly sucks how far the Kings have fallen.
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[Mike0476]

I didn't really have any expectations for the Kings this season. I don't mind losing as long as it leads to a better tomorrow. I just don't want to see us go back to the old days of stinking it up every year where we're lucky to win 25 games per season.

I still believe in Petrie and he will do something to fix what is going on. Just need to be patient.

And, as Cartman would say, "More people will come if you bring punch and pie."

 

[VF21]

Ah, but I'm not depressed, Joker.

I can live with this team sucking for now because this year's draft is full of opportunities for long-term growth. And there are lots of things you can do when you have nowhere to go but up that you wouldn't do when you're trying to keep a team in contention. We're so far out of contention we can't even see it without binoculars.

We've pretty much hit the bottom, even if there are a few teams left below us in the standings. We know we cannot continue with this group of players. Something will be done...

I'm going to be looking forward to seeing what it will be...and I'll still root for those who wear the uniform of the Sacramento Kings.

 

[G_M]

The more we suck the closer we are to being good again!

 

[VF21]

The more we suck the close we are to being good again!

Okay, everyone join hands... and sing:

It's the CIRCLE OF LIFE!!!!

 

[vfettke]

musselman is a huge part of the problem. he tries to hard to adapt to the other teams style, especially against the better coaches. it doesnt seem that he has the respect of the players. and quite frankly, i dont know if he knows what he's doing.

but, he's not the only problem. the players are too. Ron's been tryin so hard to carry the team that it gave him back spasms a few weeks ago. plus, his clock's ticking. Bibby just seems bored. Miller's offense has been nice the few games he's been healthy but i dont think he could block a shot from me. one PF sucks when he doesnt start, and when he does he's inconsistent. the other just ain't as good as years past. and then there's poor Kevin Martin. they took coachie from him. they took the ball he likes. and i honestly dont think anyone on the team or coaching staff has enough confidence in him.

i say, we blow it up. in fact, lets just nuke the whole team. get rid of as many of the large contracts we can while some of 'em are still playing well (Bibby, Artest, Miller, KT, SAR). trade them for enders (crappy ones if we need to) and some draft picks. if we can get some young guys with potential then go for it. then, focus on some freakin development of our young talent. in the offseason sign Darko, Varejao, and/or Billups(maybe?) and draft Greg Oden.

this will make us all happy... until we wake up and realize it was just a dream

 

[TheJoker]

People think getting a lottery pick is gonna be make us better next year NO it's NOT! we still have to wait atleast 2-4 years until we're a top team again. right now the future is still blank no one knows whats gonna happen.
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[DocHolliday]

I do agree we suck right now. I also agree that the Chemistry isn't right with this team. Now I don't mean that they have problems with eachother, I'm just saying the pieces we have tried to put this puzzle together with don't fit quite right. It screwed the whole puzzle up.

On another note I will say that if we got evaluated as quickly and harshly at work as Musselman is getting evaluated by some members here, Many of us would be out of jobs.

 

[SACKINGS4EVER]

i think of the many problems we have, there are 3 that are most glaring:

1. Coach Muss - (must be replaced)

2. No Defensive PF and/or C - (Corliss being played as C is pathetic).

3. KT - "Me" attitude has significantly affected the chemistry of the team, or its potential for having a good chemistry.

 

[DaMan]

People think getting a lottery pick is gonna be make us better next year NO it's NOT! we still have to wait atleast 2-4 years until we're a top team again. right now the future is still blank no one knows whats gonna happen.​

i will say 6 to 8, 2 to 4 is if we do it really well in one try which won't happen. There will be bumps and bruises, wrong turns and deads ends on the way to being on top again.

 

[DocHolliday]

I want the Kings to just call it quites with this team. First order of business is finding a way to unload Brad and Kenny thomas. I don't care if you get an unwashed head of lettuce in return. Get rid of them.

 

[vfettke]

I do agree we suck right now. I also agree that the Chemistry isn't right with this team. Now I don't mean that they have problems with eachother, I'm just saying the pieces we have tried to put this puzzle together with don't fit quite right. It screwed the whole puzzle up.

On another note I will say that if we got evaluated as quickly and harshly at work as Musselman is getting evaluated by some members here, Many of us would be out of jobs.

but its not like Muss has some entry level job that doesnt pay squat, where he's expected to make a lot of mistakes to learn from. he's already done that, and has moved up the ladder. so yeah, he's under a lot of scrutiny, as he should be.

 

[VF21]

People think getting a lottery pick is gonna be make us better next year NO it's NOT! we still have to wait atleast 2-4 years until we're a top team again. right now the future is still blank no one knows whats gonna happen.
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And what's your point? Of course no one knows the future. But that doesn't mean we don't know what should happen to make the chances of a good future better than they are right now.

A good lottery pick isn't all I've mentioned - or is it the sole solution anyone else is banking on. It can be, however, a vital piece to the new puzzle.

You have to start somewhere.

 

[VF21]

but its not like Muss has some entry level job that doesnt pay squat, where he's expected to make a lot of mistakes to learn from. he's already done that, and has moved up the ladder. so yeah, he's under a lot of scrutiny, as he should be.

EXACTLY!!!

I've said repeatedly that I don't think he's the whole problem but I do think his weaknesses are contributing to the overall malaise that's struck the team. But maybe that was part of the plan all along.

Okay, that last part was facetious but I think you get my drift.

 

[vfettke]

the sad thing about this is that if you look at 4 of our 5 starters... they can all average 20+ points a game. we could be a major offensive threat. but, the offseason was spent preaching defense... to a bunch of shooters.

 

[VF21]

I do agree we suck right now. I also agree that the Chemistry isn't right with this team. Now I don't mean that they have problems with eachother, I'm just saying the pieces we have tried to put this puzzle together with don't fit quite right. It screwed the whole puzzle up.

On another note I will say that if we got evaluated as quickly and harshly at work as Musselman is getting evaluated by some members here, Many of us would be out of jobs.

If you look at last year, when Bibby, Martin, Artest, KT and Miller were starting, they found a way to win. If you look this year with the same starting five, you have to look hard to find any wins.

What's the one difference?

 

[TheJoker]

What's the one difference?

Rick Adelman?
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[BawLa]

People think getting a lottery pick is gonna be make us better next year NO it's NOT! we still have to wait atleast 2-4 years until we're a top team again. right now the future is still blank no one knows whats gonna happen.​

So are you suggesting that we just keep swapping coaches until we find something that works? And end up bleeding out talent and overall interest in our team/organization?

Anyway yes we have to wait 2-4 years. And thats considering that certain situations pan out. We would be lucky to be back in contention in 2-4 years although many of us fans expect it.

I think Petrie is finally realizing that he failed to rebuild on the fly and understands what needs to be done. I may be of the minority but I still have faith that he can get us back.

 

[VF21]

Rick Adelman?
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Bingo.

 

[BMiller52]

musselman is a huge part of the problem. he tries to hard to adapt to the other teams style, especially against the better coaches. it doesnt seem that he has the respect of the players. and quite frankly, i dont know if he knows what he's doing.

but, he's not the only problem. the players are too. Ron's been tryin so hard to carry the team that it gave him back spasms a few weeks ago. plus, his clock's ticking. Bibby just seems bored. Miller's offense has been nice the few games he's been healthy but i dont think he could block a shot from me. one PF sucks when he doesnt start, and when he does he's inconsistent. the other just ain't as good as years past. and then there's poor Kevin Martin. they took coachie from him. they took the ball he likes. and i honestly dont think anyone on the team or coaching staff has enough confidence in him.

i say, we blow it up. in fact, lets just nuke the whole team. get rid of as many of the large contracts we can while some of 'em are still playing well (Bibby, Artest, Miller, KT, SAR). trade them for enders (crappy ones if we need to) and some draft picks. if we can get some young guys with potential then go for it. then, focus on some freakin development of our young talent. in the offseason sign Darko, Varejao, and/or Billups(maybe?) and draft Greg Oden.

this will make us all happy... until we wake up and realize it was just a dream

vfettke speaks the truth.

 

[DocHolliday]

but its not like Muss has some entry level job that doesnt pay squat, where he's expected to make a lot of mistakes to learn from. he's already done that, and has moved up the ladder. so yeah, he's under a lot of scrutiny, as he should be.

I don't think many of us here have entry level jobs and no experience.

 

[DocHolliday]

Rick Adelman?​

Bonzi Wells

A couple new guys that we brought in.

The honeymoon being over with Ron and him playing to his full potential every night, instead of taking nights off.

Brad Miller becoming even a step or two slower

Bibby hurting his thumb/wrist messing up his shot, then having to correct that.


I could keep going.

 

[Tenacious D]

It’s ok to suck for a while. It is ok to lose. But when you have as much talent as we do on this team then it is a problem with coaching and effort.

I feel they have lost the desire to win. If it does not come easy it does not happen.

Unless we are showcasing our talent for a trade (which would make sense) I think it is time to mix up the lineup.

Do we think we will lose more, play worse defense, have more turnovers, and get scored on more with our youngins out there. Maybe. But at least we will see effort. At least we will know that there is not some great lineup yet to be tried that might work or a player ready to have a break out game that we have not seen.

I still feel that the largest mistake Muss is making is rewarding bad play with more playing time. We have seen Justin at least a little by now. If he is not ready, just run a zone with him as a shot blocker. Try Salmons and Garcia at point more. They make mistakes but at least it is while trying a creative pass vs. losing it passing around the perimeter.

Just try something new so we know you are trying - Muss.

 

[VF21]

I don't think many of us here have entry level jobs and no experience.

Not the point, DocHolliday...

Why shouldn't Musselman be subject to criticism? How many more games are the Kings going to have to lose before it becomes obvious that it's not just the players? You keep talking about a bad mix but the starters are the same as the team we floored while Bonzi was out that got us into the playoffs.

Musselman doesn't have the experience to draw upon or the people skills that coaches like Rick Adelman possess. He doesn't seem to inspire confidence. In fact, he seems so rigid in a lot of his strategies that he sucks any kind of momentum right out of the game.

I've seen a lot of NBA coaches over the years. He's one that just doesn't elicit a feeling of confidence. And for that reason, I'm going to be critical because he's being paid a lot of money to do a job that he doesn't seem to be doing.