Ideally, what do your Kings look like next season?

[VF21]

Malone had the Kings playing good defense? Why can't the HOFer to be Karl???

Because, silly goose, it is DeMarcus Cousins who bears the brunt of all the evil that is currently possessing the Kings.

 

[KingMilz]

Karl is coaching this Kings team. He has to man up and take the responsibility for the losses and any perceived lack of effort.

Here is my take on Karl. All those seasons and all those playoffs and where is his ring?

Karl has thrown in the towel by not being able to adjust his style to the available talent.

Where is Adelmans ring? There's a good number of coaches that never won a ring.....

Karl has proved one thing at the very worst he can lead teams to win in the regular season, regardless of his terrible post seasons now he comes here and we can't even do that. Karl has been crap here but at the same time these guys on the team just don't really get it. I would not care if we fired Karl at all but that to me is not a good argument dude in regular seasons has been a beast.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Malone had them playing good for 5 games

An early season win streak, followed by declining ball, from 500 ball, to mediocre

We need to stop glorifying this tiny passage

 

[VF21]

Question said what does the team look like, I can't bring up what the team would look like without expalining briefly how we got to it.

Actually the OP specified "what would the ideal (realistic) set of circumstances be"... A lot of your assumptions aren't that realistic IMHO. But feel free to continue. I'll just pretend this is another trade thread.

 

[VF21]

Malone had them playing good for 5 games

An early season win streak, followed by declining ball, from 500 ball, to mediocre

We need to stop glorifying this tiny passage

And you need to quit cherry picking your examples.

 

[KingMilz]

Actually the OP specified "what would the ideal (realistic) set of circumstances be"... A lot of your assumptions aren't that realistic IMHO. But feel free to continue. I'll just pretend this is another trade thread.

All those trades (core part of the deals anyway) have been speculated in the media the only thing I added was the Rondo for Thomas part.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

And you need to quit cherry picking your examples.

Really?

Let's crown Malone the greatest coach ever while we ignore the 2013-2014 season like it never happened

 

[VF21]

All those trades (core part of the deals anyway) have been speculated in the media the only thing I added was the Rondo for Thomas part.

Now you're reduced to "speculated in the media" as validation of your trade proposals? Cool. Happy New Year. Carry on.

 

[VF21]

Really?

Let's crown Malone the greatest coach ever while we ignore the 2013-2014 season like it never happened

Nobody said that. But you neglected to talk about WHY we suddenly went on a slide with Malone as the coach. And you did so intentionally - because the answer doesn't fit your agenda.

Have a good evening.

 

[KingMilz]

Now you're reduced to "speculated in the media" as validation of your trade proposals? Cool. Happy New Year. Carry on.

What else is there to go by?

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Nobody said that. But you neglected to talk about WHY we suddenly went on a slide with Malone as the coach. And you did so intentionally - because the answer doesn't fit your agenda.

Have a good evening.

Do you really think that play was sustainable? It was slipping the longer it went.

 

[VF21]

What else is there to go by?

 

[King Baller]

C: WCS/what we get from Boston (KO/Sully)
PF: Taj Gibson/boston trade/Acy
SF Casspi/Snell or Mcdermott/draft pick
SG Bradley,Draft pick/signing someone like Fournier
PG : Isaiah Thomas/DC

Trade Cuz and rondo with Ben get IT back and those picks and whatever other filler, trade Rudy for Taj and Snell and obviously we would add other pieces around it through FA and maybe other trades and a lot depends who we can draft and what pieces aside from IT we get back from Boston.

WCS will have a true hard working pro to learn from for the first time in Taj who similar to Wcs came in with zero offensive game and chipped away and became better. Fans would come to watch this team regardless of talent every night I kmow most those guys will compete while developing talent we draft and WCS.

As far as the coach ethier someone with solid experience or maybe even go completely fresh with a Luke Walton, it's just hard to say who is a great coach or to me anyway.

Where is Adelmans ring? There's a good number of coaches that never won a ring.....

Karl has proved one thing at the very worst he can lead teams to win in the regular season, regardless of his terrible post seasons now he comes here and we can't even do that. Karl has been crap here but at the same time these guys on the team just don't really get it. I would not care if we fired Karl at all but that to me is not a good argument dude in regular seasons has been a beast.

I'm sorry because I really hoped Karl would live up to what you have written. Unfortunately can you honestly say that Karl has made good use of the Kings players? I am judging Karl on his time with the Kings and honestly his coaching of this Kings team has kind of sucked. Karls version of the Kings has produced some of the worst defense in the NBA.

Do you support the coaching work Karl has done THIS season????

 

[King Baller]

By the way if we are going to turn the Kings into a west coast version of the Celtics can you at least get their best defenders and Brad Stevens?

 

[VF21]

Do you really think that play was sustainable? It was slipping the longer it went.

I think PDA was worried enough about it that he convinced Vivek to pull the trigger on firing Malone.

 

[lawlman91]

Downgraded PG spot, more big men. Our wing situation isn't that bad, but is a secondary concern.

 

[KingMilz]

I'm sorry because I really hoped Karl would live up to what you have written. Unfortunately can you honestly say that Karl has made good use of the Kings players? I am judging Karl on his time with the Kings and honestly his coaching of this Kings team has kind of sucked. Karls version of the Kings has produced some of the worst defense in the NBA.

Do you support the coaching work Karl has done THIS season????

No he's been terrible just like the players, what he's done so far is not working and he keeps playing guys despite them quiting in the middle of games.

 

[KingMilz]

By the way if we are going to turn the Kings into a west coast version of the Celtics can you at least get their best defenders and Brad Stevens?

Avery Bradley I thought was there best defender it could be Smart or Crowder I guess.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

At least the sixers would have company in the tank brigade. Of course that would be a stupid move considering our swap obligations but in this new world order of trade everybody with talent for fast pace role players, who cares.

The best part about the recent trend around here is that it's like the cliff note version of who to put on ignore.

I'm not a fan of this strategy personally, but after watching every one of Cousins games I no longer think he is a guy you build around, nor Gay. Though not attractive, rebuilding will happen sooner or later. This team just isn't built for success. Be a jerk and deny it if you want, but its true.

 

[randymoss1881]

Damn is all I have to say about the idiotic trades I've seen in here. My god we have people who want to build a team around a coach who won't be here in 2years and is dumb enough to switch every pick.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I think PDA was worried enough about it that he convinced Vivek to pull the trigger on firing Malone.

Wait. Wait, wait. You think PDA convinced Vivek to fire Malone because he was worried we would be too GOOD? I don't see how that makes any sense at all.

As poorly as things went under the PDA regime, I simply can't see the guy as a comic-book supervillain, secretly conniving behind the scenes to thwart the good guys at every step. Whether he was right or not about how to build a successful basketball team I think that he - like any other NBA GM - truly wanted to win and build a champion. It's one thing to accuse him of being too blind to see what would work and what wouldn't, but it's another thing entirely to accuse him of intentionally breaking stuff because he was duh-evil.

 

[Alon Rosen]

I will tell you -exactly- what this team needs for being a successful playoff team...

We should be mature enough to see!

We must keep that team!!

As it is!!

It's a great team!!

One of the best attacking teams in the NBA. True?! Agreed by all?! Right?!

We have one of the best "beasts" under the Rim, in Cousins(just quit of shooting 3's dude and get concentrated or take some ritalin).

We have the current best "delivery guy" in Rondo(just quit of losing so many balls... 2 or 3 in a game are quite enough, thank you).

We have the current best 3pt shooter in Casspi

We just have to bring back gay from the deads

And Ben Mclemore should be more consistent.

The coach we have got, in George Karl, is one of the best coaches in the NBA
And unlike most of the players he have the credentials to show.

And still, the Kings are one of the best attacking teams in the NBA...

So what is the main wrong, friends?
That's right folks. DEFENSE!

We need the BEST defensive assistant coach we may hire.

Because the players we have are athletic enough and wise enough to play good defense... But something is missing in that field... Maybe beside of a defensive coach we need one more player that will be a defensive monster. And that's it.

One does not change what is not broken.
Offense is great? Keep it!!
Defense is awful? Improve it!!

Period

 

[The_Jamal]

I am so exhausted from answering this question (phrased differently) for the past 10 seasons, that its difficult to even read. It's always next season with us. It's always looking forward to "something" next season.

If you're always looking ahead, you won't see the potholes right in front of you. I, for one, am tired of "next" season. I'm really tired of losing this way. Even with no excuses and a solid roster, we still find a way to be the same old Kings. Sigh.

I literally thought the exact same thing.

I'm just want a real direction with this team and have us actually go all out for it. If Cuz is the guy, then go-all in the right way to build around him with the right coach and right main pieces around him(hint, it's not Rudy and probably not Rondo). If not, sell everyone off and hit the reset button with WCS, Ben, Seth, Moreland and maybe Acy as the holdovers

 

[The_Jamal]

I think PDA was worried enough about it that he convinced Vivek to pull the trigger on firing Malone.

Holy moses...

Just no. There's no way any of us know what really went behind the decision to fire Malone. I have my suspisions that Vivek was the main cog as the first word we heard after Malone was fired was that he wanted his best buddy Chris Mullin to take over. But I think all 3 (Vivek, Mullin, PDA) had their hand in the cookie jar on that one. To put that all on PDA is just blatantly trying to vilify him for no reason

 

[Flopi]

Ideal summer:

• Long term contract for Vlade Divac as GM
• Vlade signs Ettore Messina as new coach
• Well defined multi-year plan and identity for the team
• Whatever required roster moves, made in adequation with the plan/identity

I want stability and vision. For once.

 

[Kingston Jamaica]

What can I say? I like the team very much and it has a lot of talent. I don't like roster changes. I also don't like coaching changes and I believe George Karl is one of the best coaches there is. However, something with the present Kings does not click despite me still believing that we will make the playoffs (and we will!). The situation, however, gives me the feeling that something has to happen in order to shake the team into performing to its capability. I don't have the BBIQ to suggest what would be the right move, but I do have confidence in Vlade. So, I would be more surprised if there's no move than the opposite. Whatever the move is, I can understand the reasons and I will try to go along with it.

 

[whozit]

Wait. Wait, wait. You think PDA convinced Vivek to fire Malone because he was worried we would be too GOOD? I don't see how that makes any sense at all.

As poorly as things went under the PDA regime, I simply can't see the guy as a comic-book supervillain, secretly conniving behind the scenes to thwart the good guys at every step. Whether he was right or not about how to build a successful basketball team I think that he - like any other NBA GM - truly wanted to win and build a champion. It's one thing to accuse him of being too blind to see what would work and what wouldn't, but it's another thing entirely to accuse him of intentionally breaking stuff because he was duh-evil.

She said nothing about being evil. You have a business with competing factions in terms of how to go forward. Simply an inter-office power struggle. If one side shows success doing it a "different" way than what the other is advocating, loss of influence/power. Loss of power and influence could put oneself in jeopardy. If your certain of the "correct" way, what does it matter of short-term setback in order to do it your way? Especially if you underestimate the setback. Cold hard fact of life in business/politics. This time it happened with our basketball team.

Holy moses...

Just no. There's no way any of us know what really went behind the decision to fire Malone. I have my suspisions that Vivek was the main cog as the first word we heard after Malone was fired was that he wanted his best buddy Chris Mullin to take over. But I think all 3 (Vivek, Mullin, PDA) had their hand in the cookie jar on that one. To put that all on PDA is just blatantly trying to vilify him for no reason

I don't know or care at this point who was the main culprit was but I do agree that there were multiple hands in the cookie jar.

But that is the past and this is now.

Ideally what does my team look like next year? Simply that, a team. As a fan, this is entertainment but this isn't entertaining.

 

[dude12]

Mostly same roster, adding a defensive wing that can lock down the McCollums and Lowrys and Currys, etc and for certain, a new coach that values defense and coaches to this rosters strengths.....ideally Thibs.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Really?

Let's crown Malone the greatest coach ever while we ignore the 2013-2014 season like it never happened

you must have been watching another team otherwise you would see that there was a ton of roster change and micropizzaboy hogging the ball to cash in on his free agency. when malone had a training camp with some guys he knew would be there... he implemented roles and a solid game plan. the team executed it then he shoved it into the analytics cherry picking owner and gm.

 

[LA King Fan II]

Lose:
Rudy Gay (asap)
Cousins (asap)
Mcelmore (average at best)
Rondo (cancer, who i wanted a lot)
Bellinelli (a 6th or 7th option not a #2)
Collison (great attitude guy around cancerous quitters)

Tell Lakers we're sorry and we will take the trade offer after all....

Jimmy Butler would be nice
Holiday would be too
Seth Curry real playtime
Noel or Capella
Tj Warren
Marcus Smart
And a really lucky find like Draymond Green