Ideally, what do your Kings look like next season?

[Showtime]

In general, what would the ideal (realistic) set of circumstances be that results in the team opening the new arena, and what does the team and coaching situation look like in your minds?

As for me, I had this long post about specific trades, but ultimately these are the changes I'd like to see:

HC: I'd like to see a head coach that isn't worried about today's style of basketball, and is more worried about what his own personnel can do, and unfortunately at this point I do not think that is Karl. He seems to keep talking about "today's NBA" and less about "what we have to go with", and the eye test and stats do not show that we are reaching our potential. With that being said, whether that coach comes in the form of Thibs or somebody else, that's what I'd like to see next season.

Roster: As long as we have a play style that puts DMC at C and focuses his efforts on the block, then I'm good. The current space and pace strategy isn't working, and I'd like to toss it. I'd like to see Rudy, DC, KK, Marco, or Ben used in deals to bring in some players that fit better, as I think Rondo's relationship with DMC keeps him here. Seeing Ryan Anderson in a Kings uni is ideal.

 

[John Galt]

This current group has somehow gotten it together, earned the 7th seed, pushed the playoff series with Spurs to 6 games - and everyone is back next year including Karl and DMC.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

A team full of willing players that compete every night on both ends of the floor. An athletic, aggressive George Karl Denver 2.0 for a lowkey franchise like us. Cousins and Rudy traded, in return for young talent and energized roleplayers.

 

[sdballer]

A team full of willing players that compete every night on both ends of the floor. An athletic, aggressive George Karl Denver 2.0 for a lowkey franchise like us. Cousins and Rudy traded, in return for young talent and energized roleplayers.

Ugh

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Ugh

The answer for the last 5 years has been firing the coach

Time to head into a new direction

 

[Im Still Ballin]

I trust tenure, reputation and success. Outside of a 10 game stretch last season, a Cousins led Sacramento Kings has shown me nothing to that degree

 

[sdballer]

The answer for the last 5 years has been firing the coach

Time to head into a new direction

Which is a fun little argument until you consider who those coaches were and the fact that all but the one that had any limited success insisted on all offense, fast paced ball.

Now if we had a bunch of good coaches that all tried to maximize our talent and failed, and maybe I'd jump on this silly bandwagon.

 

[sdballer]

I trust tenure, reputation and success. Outside of a 10 game stretch last season, a Cousins led Sacramento Kings has shown me nothing to that degree

Dick motta on line 1

 

[King Baller]

The teams core still here playing for Coach Thibs coming off a successful resurgent 2016 comeback. Vlade added wing defense trading for Luol Deng and Tony Allen who together with Cousins and Gang made it to the second round as an 8th seed.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Any team with Cousins as its core foundation is locked to mediocrity

 

[King Baller]

Any team with Cousins as its core foundation is locked to mediocrity

You kind of remind me of our current coach or perhaps a past GM.

 

[Padrino]

The answer for the last 5 years has been firing the coach

Time to head into a new direction

the answer for the last five years should have been to hire the right coach. the answer is not to stick with the guy who doesn't have enough left in the tank beyond the next few seasons anyway just because you blew it on several of your previous head coaching hires (and blew it further still by firing the one coach with promise who established a positive relationship with your superstar center). find the right guy while it still matters. don't begrudgingly hang onto the one you pretend to respect because of what he accomplished before he was washed up...

as for me, the team doesn't necessarily need to be much different to make me happy, beyond adding some stingy perimeter defense. mostly, though, i think the kings need to hire a coach who doesn't insist that his team won't listen to his pleas of "RUN!!" while they're pushing the fastest pace in the entire nba, despite the fact that such a pace is not nor has ever been best suited to the talents at the top of the hierarchy of this particular roster...

i've never been a fan of coaches who value their offensive system over the talent on their roster. your d'antoni's and your karl's. i prefer a coach who looks first at the talent he has at the top of his roster, and then designs his gameplan around it. george karl wanted to run from minute one. he had no intention of evolving his gameplan to better fit his best players; he's simply tried to shove demarcus into the gimmicky leftovers of his mile-high system by placing big cuz on the perimeter, and every adjustment Karl has made since he got here has been with an eye towards juicing the offense, no matter how putrid the defense continues to get...

personally, i'll take the tough-mindedness of tom thibodeau, even though his propensity for overworking his stars scares me. i'd even settle for the nuts-and-bolts of a guy like scott brooks if it meant a commitment to defense. but no more of this run-as-fast-as-we-can-like-we-have-no-purpose-on-either-side-of-the-court nonsense. no more sacrificing any semblance of defense at the altar of a junkball offense. i won't root for it anymore...

 

[Sac.Kings]

I am so exhausted from answering this question (phrased differently) for the past 10 seasons, that its difficult to even read. It's always next season with us. It's always looking forward to "something" next season.

If you're always looking ahead, you won't see the potholes right in front of you. I, for one, am tired of "next" season. I'm really tired of losing this way. Even with no excuses and a solid roster, we still find a way to be the same old Kings. Sigh.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

I wonder how long Thibs would last. With a guy like Cuz it's bound to happen.

 

[Glenn]

Specifically I would get a different coach and trade Collison plus one of our SGs with the intent of getting a better SG and a more appropriate (cheaper) 2nd string pg. In my view we are so close to having a winning team that this year is doubly exasperating.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Marcus Smart
James Young
Kelly Olynyk
Brandon Ingram
Melo Trimble
Domantis Sabonis
Omri Casspi
Willey-Cauley-Stein
Kosta Koufos
Seth Curry
Marco Bellinelli (don't want him but untradable at this point)
Whoeber

Coach: Not George Karl. Preferably a new shocking pick. No re-treads. Nancy Lieberman, Becky Hammon, or that coach at Arizona.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Marcus Smart
James Young
Kelly Olynyk
Brandon Ingram
Melo Trimble
Domantis Sabonis
Omri Casspi
Willey-Cauley-Stein
Kosta Koufos
Seth Curry
Marco Bellinelli (don't want him but untradable at this point)
Whoeber

Coach: Not George Karl. Preferably a new shocking pick. No re-treads. Nancy Lieberman, Becky Hammon, or that coach at Arizona.

I like that personnel but honestly Karl is the best choice for that team.

 

[sdballer]

Marcus Smart
James Young
Kelly Olynyk
Brandon Ingram
Melo Trimble
Domantis Sabonis
Omri Casspi
Willey-Cauley-Stein
Kosta Koufos
Seth Curry
Marco Bellinelli (don't want him but untradable at this point)
Whoeber

Coach: Not George Karl. Preferably a new shocking pick. No re-treads. Nancy Lieberman, Becky Hammon, or that coach at Arizona.

At least the sixers would have company in the tank brigade. Of course that would be a stupid move considering our swap obligations but in this new world order of trade everybody with talent for fast pace role players, who cares.

The best part about the recent trend around here is that it's like the cliff note version of who to put on ignore.

 

[peacelate]

I wonder how long Thibs would last. With a guy like Cuz it's bound to happen.

That's the thing though. Not too many coaches are jumping at the opportunity to coach a malcontent.

 

[upinsmoke]

In general, what would the ideal (realistic) set of circumstances be that results in the team opening the new arena, and what does the team and coaching situation look like in your minds?

I'll update with mine later.

I don't know I'm drunk damn it!

 

[VF21]

...The best part about the recent trend around here is that it's like the cliff note version of who to put on ignore.

It's better to use the IGNORE feature than to succumb to flames and irrational discourse.

 

[King Baller]

Marcus Smart
James Young
Kelly Olynyk
Brandon Ingram
Melo Trimble
Domantis Sabonis
Omri Casspi
Willey-Cauley-Stein
Kosta Koufos
Seth Curry
Marco Bellinelli (don't want him but untradable at this point)
Whoeber

Coach: Not George Karl. Preferably a new shocking pick. No re-treads. Nancy Lieberman, Becky Hammon, or that coach at Arizona.

In that group who are your starters? Who guards Lebron? How about Jimmy Butler? Harden?

 

[KingMilz]

In general, what would the ideal (realistic) set of circumstances be that results in the team opening the new arena, and what does the team and coaching situation look like in your minds?

I'll update with mine later.

C: WCS/what we get from Boston (KO/Sully)
PF: Taj Gibson/boston trade/Acy
SF Casspi/Snell or Mcdermott/draft pick
SG Bradley,Draft pick/signing someone like Fournier
PG : Isaiah Thomas/DC

Trade Cuz and rondo with Ben get IT back and those picks and whatever other filler, trade Rudy for Taj and Snell and obviously we would add other pieces around it through FA and maybe other trades and a lot depends who we can draft and what pieces aside from IT we get back from Boston.

WCS will have a true hard working pro to learn from for the first time in Taj who similar to Wcs came in with zero offensive game and chipped away and became better. Fans would come to watch this team regardless of talent every night I kmow most those guys will compete while developing talent we draft and WCS.

As far as the coach ethier someone with solid experience or maybe even go completely fresh with a Luke Walton, it's just hard to say who is a great coach or to me anyway.

 

[VF21]

C: WCS/what we get from Boston (KO/Sully)
PF: Taj Gibson/boston trade/Acy
SF Casspi/Snell or Mcdermott/draft pick
SG Draft pick/signing someone like Fournier
PG : Isaiah Thomas/DC

Trade Cuz and rondo get IT back and those picks and whatever other filler, trade Rudy for Taj and Snell and obviously we would add other pieces around it through FA and maybe other trades and a lot depends who we can draft and what pieces aside from IT we get back from Boston.

WCS will have a true hard working pro to learn from for the first time in Taj who similar to Wcs came in with zero offensive game and chipped away and became better.

Oh good grief.

 

[KingMilz]

Oh good grief.

Thread asked what we individually wanted so there's no right or wrong answer regardless if you like thee idea or not, if the current group of 'stars' can turn it around roll with them.

I enjoyed this year watching teams like Portland, Dallas and Charlotte minus Al Jefferson just a personal preference.

 

[VF21]

Thread asked what we individually wanted so there's no right or wrong answer regardless if you like thee idea or not, if the current group of 'stars' can turn it around role with them.

We have about a gazillion different trade ideas in the Personnel Moves forum, including a thread all about trading DMC. I don't think the OP wanted this to turn into a trade thread. That's my take...

 

[KingMilz]

We have about a gazillion different trade ideas in the Personnel Moves forum, including a thread all about trading DMC. I don't think the OP wanted this to turn into a trade thread. That's my take...

Question said what does the team look like, I can't bring up what the team would look like without expalining briefly how we got to it.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Karl's resume speaks for itself. 28 odd seasons. 25 or so playoff years. Took a 17-25 denver team in 2005, and finished the season 32-8. Took a 20-20 Seattle team and made the playoffs, and a top seed for the majority of the decade. With star talent, without it. It doesn't matter. He gets it done more often than not. I see obvious potential for success that I no longer see in Cousins.

Hell, we were playing good basketball after the 1-7 start, but Cousins threw the towel in.

 

[King Baller]

Karl's resume speaks for itself. 28 odd seasons. 25 or so playoff years. Took a 17-25 denver team in 2005, and finished the season 32-8. Took a 20-20 Seattle team and made the playoffs, and a top seed for the majority of the decade. With star talent, without it. It doesn't matter. He gets it done more often than not. I see obvious potential for success that I no longer see in Cousins.

Hell, we were playing good basketball after the 1-7 start, but Cousins threw the towel in.

Karl is coaching this Kings team. He has to man up and take the responsibility for the losses and any perceived lack of effort.

Here is my take on Karl. All those seasons and all those playoffs and where is his ring?

Karl has thrown in the towel by not being able to adjust his style to the available talent.

 

[King Baller]

Malone had the Kings playing good defense? Why can't the HOFer to be Karl???