I took the plunge and re-upped...

[Ryle]

...for another year of exciting Kings basketball... .

I went back and forth and my Dad and I decided to give it one more year as they HAVE to do something to improve this team in the offseason so I figured I would give it another chance. Plus, they have some nice promotions for season ticket holders that you can win that are pretty cool(trip to Vegas and a trip to South Beach for a Kings/Heat game ). With my luck I will win the sit down in the "war room" with Geoff Petrie to here more about the hen oodling or whatever...

Anyway, thought I would start this thread here(instead of in the ticket area) to see how many season ticket holders have, or will, actually re-up for another year.

 

[Rockmeister]

I have decided to renew my season tickets as well. I took a big loss this year not being able to sell many of the tickets, even with the decrease in prices, but I decided to give it one more year too.

 

[jmtylr]

I will also be reupping my season tickets, for my 20th season as a Kings fan. I would love to be able to wait and see what they do in the off season before I make a decision, but I definately want to give it a shot next year.

Interesting to note that the season ticket holders got a postcard stating that we will be getting a personized piece of the original Kings floor as a season ticket holder gift.

 

[Vlade4GM]

...for another year of exciting Kings basketball... .

I went back and forth and my Dad and I decided to give it one more year as they HAVE to do something to improve this team in the offseason so I figured I would give it another chance. Plus, they have some nice promotions for season ticket holders that you can win that are pretty cool(trip to Vegas and a trip to South Beach for a Kings/Heat game ). With my luck I will win the sit down in the "war room" with Geoff Petrie to here more about the hen oodling or whatever...

Anyway, thought I would start this thread here(instead of in the ticket area) to see how many season ticket holders have, or will, actually re-up for another year.

IMO you should've waited. Could you have done that or is there a deadline or something?

 

[Ryle]

IMO you should've waited. Could you have done that or is there a deadline or something?

Deadline is 04/02(This Monday).

I was also wondering about the floor.....first thought was that they were giving away pieces of the floor because they were moving to Vegas... .

Probably just getting a new one because I think it's been about 8 or 9 years with the old floor and I'm not sure how much of a shelf life they have(Other than the old parquet floor at the Gaahhhhden.

This will be my 7th year of actual season tickets as I started in '01.

 

[Bricklayer]

You could not wait -- they always make sure the deadline is well before you have any feel for the season for which you are paying. And I did not reup. Sent them a nice nastygram too explaining I great detail why I was not. Not so much a vote of no confidence as a vote of "pull your heads out of your delusional asses or you will never see another dime of mine". Figure there is no way to inspire action quite like cutting off the money flow. If they hear or see or feel nothing else, they feel that.

 

[BudWright]

We also renewed our tickets for next season for a lot of good reasons----I'm sure some of you will not understand that! Annie.

 

[John Galt]

You guys are all great fans.

We are not re-upping. It was too discouraging watching better tickets than mine for sale on game day through kings.com I figure there is no percentage in re-upping unless you are truly in it for the long haul, thru thick and thin, no matter what...

But maybe the Maloofs will do better than I thought charging contender prices for a lottery team - I thought they would find themselves in a bind but sounds like most people are hanging in there.

I think that's great really. Best fans in the NBA still!

Well, gotta run to tonight's game since I could not sell the tickets, as usual..... better luck next year guys.

 

[1kingzfan]

OK, I am a 10-year season ticket holder in Sec. 112. Two seats, for Kingsgurl and me, plus SP parking cost me $250 per "experience".

And to have sat through so many miserable experiences this year was indeed very painful. When the trade deadline passed and GP was a no-show, I kinda knew what would go down. I have had a 1/4 sason ticket partner for the last 2 seasons, but that still left me with plenty of misery this year. I was seeking another 1/4 season partner, figuring I could handle 22 games. Well, my partner decided to pull the plug, and no other partner in sight.

So, unless Francisco or someone else wants to go half-sies, my 10-year "run" will come to an end.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Well, we all know one thing's for sure, hopefully, that we'll see a better, more organized, exciting product next season...and a lack of Muss, too.

 

[John Galt]

OK, I am a 10-year season ticket holder in Sec. 112. Two seats, for Kingsgurl and me, plus SP parking cost me $250 per "experience".

And to have sat through so many miserable experiences this year was indeed very painful. When the trade deadline passed and GP was a no-show, I kinda knew what would go down. I have had a 1/4 sason ticket partner for the last 2 seasons, but that still left me with plenty of misery this year. I was seeking another 1/4 season partner, figuring I could handle 22 games. Well, my partner decided to pull the plug, and no other partner in sight.

So, unless Francisco or someone else wants to go half-sies, my 10-year "run" will come to an end.

Tonight was not the kind of game they needed to have practically on the eve of the renewal deadline..ugh.

I've discussed with my wife the possibility of going 50/50 or thirds with some partners. But the only real scenario where we would stay would be to relocate to the upper corners for $25.50 and hold our place in line (7 seasons for us). But the season ticket rep I talked to told me that there is no "contingent on satisfactory relocation" renewal - that the dollars paid by 4/2 are forfeited should I try to opt out after the relocation effort. So that was the final dealbreaker really.

 

[GameBall]

You could not wait -- they always make sure the deadline is well before you have any feel for the season for which you are paying. And I did not reup. Sent them a nice nastygram too explaining I great detail why I was not. Not so much a vote of no confidence as a vote of "pull your heads out of your delusional asses or you will never see another dime of mine". Figure there is no way to inspire action quite like cutting off the money flow. If they hear or see or feel nothing else, they feel that.

My parents have season tickets and I go to about 15 or so games a year. I was not aware until now that the deadline was 4/2, but I'm sure they'll re-up. We've been going to games since they played in the converted warehouse back in 1985. Having said that, I can definitely understand why people would not re-up for a product that has been going south the last few years with no certainty of whether the Kings will even be here a few years from now. I think what might happen (needs to happen?) is this: People not re-upping to call the Maloof's bluff, basically saying, if you want to go to Las Vegas, go. If you want to go to Anaheim, go. I have to emphasize that doesn't mean we want them to go, but it's calling their bluff.

 

[kupman]

I have never been a season ticket holder. But honestly, reading this thread makes be a bit sad. Let me tell you why.

When I moved to this city (from a long distance) about 8 years ago I was excited to come here from the perspective of being a b-ball fan. I thought to myself 'cool, the fans of Sactown are the Packer fans and the Cub fans of the NBA. These people are crazy about the game and their team in good times and bad. Just like the Packer fans, you can hardly get a ticket when the team is bad because they love their team so much.'

Sure, Packer fans get upset when the team is down. Sure they give the team and management hell. But with all that said, they still fill-up the stadium and get crazy when it is zero degrees. They sure as heck do not say 'hey the Bears are better this year - maybe we should be Bear fans until the Packers get better.'

I am sure that there are many unconditional zealots left in Sactown. But when I read this thread I have a modified Denny Green quote going through my head "they aren't who I thought they were."

I don't mean to be an a**, but that is just how I feel reading this stuff.

 

[VF21]

First, to GameBall: I think you're missing the whole point. I haven't seen anyone say they're not renewing their tickets because they're afraid the team won't be here in a few years. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's among the last reasons they'd have... The comments I've seen indicate people aren't renewing because they're fed up with the continual decline of the team, the apparent lack of direction, etc.

Now, for kupman: I don't think it's fair of non-season ticket holders to try and judge those who, for whatever reasons, have decided to give up their season tickets. Especially when, in the case of Francisco and 1kingzfan, they're shelling out $500 A WEEK or more. That's a LOT of money for a product that has simply become a parody of its former self.

These people aren't saying they won't be Kings fans. They're saying they can't justify spending that kind of money.

I don't know Francisco that well, but I know this was a tough decision for 1kingzfan.

Ticket prices are ridiculously high and based on elite team drawing power. The Kings aren't elite. They're barely mediocre and closer to bad. If Maloof Sports wants to keep the season ticket holders they need to offer discounts or other incentives such as relocation options, etc. I think they're making a big mistake in not appreciating these folks who have dug deeply into their pockets for a long time to support the franchise.

They sure as heck do not say 'hey the Bears are better this year - maybe we should be Bear fans until the Packers get better.'

If you're saying that Kings STH are making those comments, then that's insulting. There is no way to really compare football fandom with basketball. For one thing, look at the difference in expenditures. Kings STH pay for 41 regular games, plus playoffs. That's a LOT of money, especially for those (like Francisco and 1kingzfan) in the lower levels.

Sorry, but your comments are way out of line IMHO. Unless you are or were a STH I don't think you've earned the right to make those kinds of comments about them.

 

[John Galt]

I have never been a season ticket holder. But honestly, reading this thread makes be a bit sad. Let me tell you why.

When I moved to this city (from a long distance) about 8 years ago I was excited to come here from the perspective of being a b-ball fan. I thought to myself 'cool, the fans of Sactown are the Packer fans and the Cub fans of the NBA. These people are crazy about the game and their team in good times and bad. Just like the Packer fans, you can hardly get a ticket when the team is bad because they love their team so much.'

Sure, Packer fans get upset when the team is down. Sure they give the team and management hell. But with all that said, they still fill-up the stadium and get crazy when it is zero degrees. They sure as heck do not say 'hey the Bears are better this year - maybe we should be Bear fans until the Packers get better.'

I am sure that there are many unconditional zealots left in Sactown. But when I read this thread I have a modified Denny Green quote going through my head "they aren't who I thought they were."

I don't mean to be an a**, but that is just how I feel reading this stuff.

You may not mean to be.... but you are.

Look man, buy the season tickets and put your money where your mouth is - you want to be part of a fanatical community so much, ante up! But don't stand there in condescending judgement if someone has decided not to pony up the $10K next year. That's just ridiculous.

And if the Maloofs want to go back to "fanatics following a losing team", let them knock the prices back 25% and I'm in like Flynn and so is everyone else who was crushed under the wheels of the Maloof ticket price hikes.

I just don't think you're realistic - it is $240 per night (I park out in the back forty - not a high roller like 1Kingzfan). And, serious fan or not... it is not worth it.

Basically your point would be sound if the ticket prices were fair. But the Maloofs gouged to the hilt during "the run" and now have to accept that they are charging TOO MUCH for the product on the floor.... we'll see. They may yet have to cave in and discount the price for season ticket holders to reel them back in.

 

[BRad1055]

I don't own season tickets myself, but my mom does and she has had them since 2000 and she is also re upping for next year. She is in section 217, good seats for the price. Of course almost all seats in Arco are good. She is re upping for the simple fact that if and when they get a new Arena she will get first crack at getting tickets in the new arena and that is something you can't pass up.

 

[John Galt]

I don't know Francisco that well, but I know this was a tough decision for 1kingzfan.

./quote]

Yes... a very tough decision for my wife and me too - and as of today, Saturday 3/31 - not an entirely irrevocable one. But it is just a "value/$" question - since tickets are not liquid at all anymore, you really have to be kind of a high roller with a lot of casual disposable income to be a STH now.

If I had a committed half partner... right now... I might log on and pay up. But probably would agonize and ultimately decide... "hey that is $5K - that is a nice vacation to Alaska - can't do it".

That's how tough it is.

Still we are intense fans and will remain so. In fact, probably will ditch direcTV for cable just so I can have the Kings in HD

 

[kupman]

^^^Good grief. Please send me a PM and outline what I am "qualified" to feel and what I am not qualified to feel. I am sorry that you do not like what I had to say. It was not my intent to insult anyone for the choices they make.

But anyway, thanks for reminding me why this board sucks the Kings zeal right out of me.

 

[PacMan]

hey..its easy to be a zealous fan like you when we're not paying 500 bucks a night. Ante up and then tell me if you're a fanatic

 

[Wuster]

After many years of having 1/4 share in some nice lower level seats...

not re-upping. Everyone else here has touched on most of the reasons why; no need to reiterate them.

 

[VF21]

^^^Good grief. Please send me a PM and outline what I am "qualified" to feel and what I am not qualified to feel. I am sorry that you do not like what I had to say. It was not my intent to insult anyone for the choices they make.

But anyway, thanks for reminding me why this board sucks the Kings zeal right out of me.

You dump on STH and then complain this board sucks the Kings zeal right out of you? Whoa... that's incredible.

My whole point was you aren't really in a position to criticize them since you haven't walked in their shoes. And the fact you made the comment below indicates that you KNEW you were being an a**.

I don't mean to be an a**, but that is just how I feel reading this stuff.

 

[fansinceday1]

Easy kupman.

If your not paying for season tickets then you have no idea just how much you spend for a game. Even if your in the upper level your still dishing out $10 for parking, $5 for a hotdog, $10 if you want to partake in a beer and then you have to suffer through a half hearted game. Times that by 41 games and you just CANNOT blame people for second guessing their investment. It has nothing to do with how big of a fan you are.

You bring up the packers. Where are the packers prices in relation to the rest of the league? I would guess that an OK team in Green Bay is not in the upper tier of prices. If Packer fans were getting gouged to watch a team that didn't put out every weekend I would guess they would start to question putting out so much money. You certainly wouldn't be able to question their fanatacism.

 

[kupman]

Alright, alright....now I feel bad for being so harsh. You guys are exactly right, forking out $500/night is a whole lot of money. I could not do it - I am a poor zealot. And I guess that I understand why some of you are deciding to opt out.

My point is this. Before the Kings had some really good seasons it seemed the fans of Sacramento where just having a great time supporting what had been a bad team for years. It didn't matter as much that the team struggled. There is a real beauty in that to me. In the time since we have had the really good years I mostly hear people talking about another championship run and that is what means the most to them. Without that now, more people are beginning to look elsewhere - including towards the Warriors.

It is what it is......it is not my intention to pass judgment. It just makes my sad.

Sorry and peace-out.

 

[VF21]

I don't see an evaporation of the fan base. I don't see a decline in the majority of Kings fans love for their team. What I see, however, is an increasing dissatisfaction with the product being offered, especially at the high prices...

If the Maloofs and Petrie can do their stuff during TEAOS and assemble a more exciting, cohesive team the fans will support it.

The people who might be looking elsewhere are the minority. Honest. You can trust me on this one.

 

[Wuster]

peace Kupman. Believe me, I and many others are saddened at not being able to renew. For me, it is a combination of factors but the primary driver is financial, pure and simple.

 

[John Galt]

I'm saddened too - and I actually waffled all morning on it. I may change my mind a dozen more times...

sorry for the reaction kupman. honestly, the Maloofs could energize the fan base and sell out the arena even with a bad team, if they did a well marketed discount/rebate. The raffle promotions they are trying to scoot by with in lieu of a meaningful price adjustment are, to me, insulting.

 

[VF21]

You know, this is just all more evidence that the MARKETING division of Maloof Sports simply doesn't get it.

The gold lamé? Marketing. The marvelous giant 6? Marketing. Not doing everything they possibly can to keep the STH happy? Marketing...

I've heard of several meetings between STH and MSE, but nothing concrete has ever come of them to my knowledge. It's almost as though they figure if they toss the STH a really small, rather old bone once in a while, they'll just blindly fork over large sums of money ...

Speaking strictly from a selfish point of view, Francisco, I hope you do decide to re-up so I can buy at least one game from you. The view from the lower level is an entirely different game experience than from above. I love the upper level for the enthusiasm and fervor but the lower level sure puts me close to the action.

 

[Bricklayer]

Easy kupman.

If your not paying for season tickets then you have no idea just how much you spend for a game. Even if your in the upper level your still dishing out $10 for parking, $5 for a hotdog, $10 if you want to partake in a beer and then you have to suffer through a half hearted game. Times that by 41 games and you just CANNOT blame people for second guessing their investment. It has nothing to do with how big of a fan you are.

You bring up the packers. Where are the packers prices in relation to the rest of the league? I would guess that an OK team in Green Bay is not in the upper tier of prices. If Packer fans were getting gouged to watch a team that didn't put out every weekend I would guess they would start to question putting out so much money. You certainly wouldn't be able to question their fanatacism.

Packers fans have 8 games to attened, all or almost all on weekends. Everything from the $$ committment to the time committment is far far less, as is the frustration factor. Sucking it up for 8 Sunday's is nothing compared to trudging out weeknight after weeknight 41 times to watch a poor prodcut when you could be spending the time and thbousands of dollars elsewhere on your family and friends (or self).

Of course my particular beef is almsot entirely with the front office rather than the nearly irrelvant proiduct on the floor. The people in control are not worthy of my respect or $$, so they will not get them. The team could get much worse next year, but if I had confidence the front office had a bleeping clue and was willing and able to take the necessary steps I would consider grabbing more season tickets (and of course that's the thing -- there will be plenty available now, no longer having to hold your place in the queue). I do not, so they can bite me while they try to figure out NBA Basketball 101 and do it on somebody else's dime.

P.S. As an aside, the piece of the floor thing is the best (and one of the very few) good ideas the marketing department has had in years. Actually something classy. Whadya know.

 

[BMiller52]

I wish I lived in Sac instead of Chico and had a bit more money. I'd get season tickets

 

[NewMonkey]

After 8 seasons, I'm also done as a season ticket holder. This team is going nowhere, the front office has made a series of terrible moves and I just don't see any commitment on their part to change things. The Kings just aren't worth the money any more.