How would you allocate the minutes? (split)

thedofd

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Maybe this should be a separate thread, but I think this is a fair question: If you were coaching, how WOULD you distribute the minutes to A) remain competitive and thus acceptable to the majority of your fans over the rest of the season while B) giving younger players the opportunity to develop.

There are 240 total minutes available in a regulation game. Typically, starters average 30-35 minutes. A look at the Kings' stats bears that out: Artest averages 37 mpg, KMart 35.4 and Bibby 35.2. Shareef and Kenny essentially split the minutes at power forward (25.7 mpg and 23.4 mpg, respectively). Brad averages only 28.4 mpg, followed by Corliss (19.3) and Cisco (15.1).

Maybe the Kings' goal for the rest of the season should be to get more time for Cisco, at least 10 minutes a game for Price and Douby, and at least 5 minutes in each game for Justin Williams.

Part of the issue here is matchups: Cisco plays the same positions as KMart and Salmons. Muss could buy some minutes at small forward by moving Artest to power forward when matchups allow. Production-wise, it makes sense to play KT and Corliss less, although KT could be a pain the in a-- in the locker room and Corliss probably deserves better for being a trooper, frustrating as he is to watch at times.

I don't see many scenarios where the Kings can play Bibby, Price and Douby together for long stretches, and I also don't see the Kings destroying Bibby's confidence or trade value by cutting way back on his minutes. Salmons plays some backup point, so there's minimal time to be had here.

It's sort of similar to the situation the Kings faced when they had Gerald Wallace behind Peja and Hedo; they may have to bite the bullet and decide that either Price or Douby gets a serious look at the expense of the other. While Douby has shown offensive flashes, I like Price's energy on defense -- that half-court trap they threw in against Indy was very effective -- and his quickness, so I might be inclined to give him the edge at the moment.
 
minutes? very easy. shorten the rotation. give all the starters 40 minutes each game from here on out. except kenny thomas. Dont even play him. when a substitution is made, substitute one scrub at a time. when martin goes out bring in salmons. let martin sit for a few minutes then sub him back in. then bring out artest and send in cisco; and so fourth. this way we dont send in 4 scrubs with one starter and watch whatever lead we have dissapear. also, this is what angers me. our strongest positions/players are at the sf/sg spots. artest and martin. yet the coach will sub all day long at these positions. but i dont see any subsitutions to help our weakest area (power forward) we have plenty of other guys that dont see the court.
 
28-30 minutes for Artest and Bibby
32-35 minutes for Martin (More experience the better)
23-25 minutes for Salmons
18-20 minutes to Cisco
10-12 minutes for Douby
10-12 minutes for Williams
10-12 minutes for Price
13-15 minutes for Williamson
13-15 minutes for KT
22-25 minutes for Miller
13-15 minutes for Reef

Not sure if all that adds up... but those are the numbers that come to mind... And if the young guys like Cisco, Williams, Price, Douby play well their minutes can go up.
 
minutes? very easy. shorten the rotation. give all the starters 40 minutes each game from here on out. except kenny thomas. Dont even play him. when a substitution is made, substitute one scrub at a time. when martin goes out bring in salmons. let martin sit for a few minutes then sub him back in. then bring out artest and send in cisco; and so fourth. this way we dont send in 4 scrubs with one starter and watch whatever lead we have dissapear. also, this is what angers me. our strongest positions/players are at the sf/sg spots. artest and martin. yet the coach will sub all day long at these positions. but i dont see any subsitutions to help our weakest area (power forward) we have plenty of other guys that dont see the court.

Rick? Is that you? :p

Seriously dude, there's been just as many games where the starters stunk up the joint and youngsters/reserves brought us back into it.
 
28-30 minutes for Artest and Bibby
32-35 minutes for Martin (More experience the better)
23-25 minutes for Salmons
18-20 minutes to Cisco
10-12 minutes for Douby
10-12 minutes for Williams
10-12 minutes for Price
13-15 minutes for Williamson
13-15 minutes for KT
22-25 minutes for Miller
13-15 minutes for Reef

Not sure if all that adds up... but those are the numbers that come to mind... And if the young guys like Cisco, Williams, Price, Douby play well their minutes can go up.


I like that, SacKings384. Those numbers could actually work and even have some flexibility left. Those would enable the younger players to get some valuable experience and enable them to see court time mixed with the vets. You might have to boost KT and SAR a bit, but as I said, you've left enough room to do so... at least mathematically.
 
Rick? Is that you? :p

Seriously dude, there's been just as many games where the starters stunk up the joint and youngsters/reserves brought us back into it.

tyrant seems to believe we're a playoff caliber team and should be doing everything we can to secure that oh-so-valuable 8th playoff slot. You know, so we can be truly embarrassed when we're flushed out of the first round.
 
Honestly I think that after 7-10 more losses we might as well just cut the minutes of most of the starters and play the young guys for the majority of the game. But I'd still play Artest and Martin in the low 30s.
 
This is actually an interesting topic. I think the goal of the game changes a bit considering we know we're not playoff contenders (for those of you who think we are, get real). I think one goal should be to see if our youngsters (Price, Williams, Cisco, Douby) can play, although I still think the #1 goal should be to win games (meaning, I'm not going to be playing Cisco, Price, Williams, Douby each 30 minutes a night). Here is how I'd do it:

Artest - 35
Bibby - 35
Martin - 35
Miller - 30
SAR - 20
KT - 20
Salmons - 20
CW - 10
Cisco - 15
Price - 13
Williams - 8

I think of the youngsters, Price has shown the most promise to being a productive NBA player. Considering we have no true back-up point guard, I think playing him should be a priority.

If we're in a playoff race, I'm playing bibby, martin, artest 40 minutes a night, each. But, we're not, and we need to find out if our kids can play.
 
I like that, SacKings384. Those numbers could actually work and even have some flexibility left. Those would enable the younger players to get some valuable experience and enable them to see court time mixed with the vets. You might have to boost KT and SAR a bit, but as I said, you've left enough room to do so... at least mathematically.

Agreed, but I'm worried if Artest doesn't get 30-35 minutes, he'll explode. Or he just won't come out.
 
This would be my pattern.

Bibby
Martin
Artest
SAR
Miller

Just when Martin starts to get a little tired, take him out for Salmons

Bibby
Salmons
Artest
Thomas
Miller

Shortly after Bibby gets tired and you put Martin Back at the 2, Salmons at the 1. Bring in Justin Williams at the 4

Salmons
Martin
Artest
Williams
Miller

Artest gets tired and then you plug in Garcia at the 3. Salmons out and Ronnie Price at the 1. Bring in Shareef at 5.

Price
Martin
Garcia
Williams
Shareef.


Bring in Bibby back in at the 2 for a little bit while he gets torched by oposing two guards. Bring Salmons in.

Price
Bibby
Salmons
Corliss
Miller

Then you take out price and put in Salmons at the 2 and Artest at the 3.

Bibby
Salmons
Artest
Corliss
Miller


this might be pointless. oh well.
 
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