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From November 23, 2000. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-11-23/sports/0011230096_1_paul-westphal-fined-suspension

Sonics Lift Suspension After Payton Apologizes To Westphal
The Press Box.November 23, 2000|By Mark Shapiro.
Hours after suspending All-Star guard Gary Payton on Wednesday for at least one game for arguing with coach Paul Westphal, the Seattle SuperSonics lifted the sanction, saying Payton had apologized.
Payton played in Wednesday night's game in San Antonio.
"I made the call," Westphal said before tipoff. "The reason for the suspension was to make things better."
The two met for an hour and a half and "things got better," Westphal said. "There's no reason for the suspension anymore."
Earlier in the day, team President Wally Walker said in a statement that Payton's suspension was "for conduct detrimental to the team."
Payton had to be restrained after confronting Westphal during a timeout in the fourth quarter Tuesday night in Dallas.

January 17th, 1996 http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...and-kevin-johnson-paul-westphal-suns-all-star

Westphal Takes The Fall
Suns Fire Him
January 17, 1996|By Sam Smith, Tribune Pro Basketball Writer.
No coach in Phoenix Suns history has been as successful as Paul Westphal. He had the fourth-best winning percentage in NBA history.
But few Suns coaches have had as short a tenure as Westphal. Tuesday, just barely into his fourth season as head coach, Westphal was fired for doing what he was asked--to create an environment in which a highly undisciplined player like Charles Barkley could coexist and then win with a team that never had a legitimate threat at center.
Which dashed Colangelo's attempts at a press conference Tuesday to say the Suns were not planning to trade Barkley.
Those didn't match Barkley's plans.
With the acquisition of Barkley in 1992, Westphal's first year as coach, Westphal was forced to run a somewhat loose operation since Barkley rarely practices or shows up for games on time.
And despite setbacks, like falling behind 2-0 in the opening round of the 1993 playoffs, the Suns made it to the Finals and then were upset by the eventual champion Houston Rockets the last two years after taking 2-0 leads in both series.
"I feel bad for Paul," said Bulls coach Phil Jackson. "He's one of the winningest coaches in the NBA (lifetime in percentage behind Pat Riley, Jackson and Billy Cunningham). It goes to show you how quickly things dissipate when things are not going well."
Not everyone was unhappy to see Westphal go.
"There's been a changing of the guard, no pun intended," Johnson said about former Suns All-Star guard Westphal, whose jersey number is retired by the team.
Johnson, who never quite accepted Barkley usurping his role on the team, also has felt betrayed by Westphal when Westphal used Elliott Perry for him. Team insiders said Colangelo had grown increasingly uneasy with Westphal's style--Ainge reportedly declined to join the coaching staff in the off-season because of philosophical differences with Westphal--and had to be persuaded twice by Fitzsimmons to remain patient.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/..._1_paul-westphal-charles-barkley-tim-hardaway

Loose Ships' Sink Coaches, Suns' Westphal Warned
December 17, 1995|By Sam Smith, Tribune Pro Basketball Writer.
So, what have you done for me lately? That's what Paul Westphal, coach of the stumbling, struggling Phoenix Suns, has to be thinking amid rumors he is to be fired soon with Cotton Fitzsimmons becoming interim coach and Danny Ainge in the wings.
In Westphal's three seasons, the Suns have averaged 59 wins--but have no titles.
Now Charles Barkley is breaking down, Kevin Johnson continues to, Wayman Tisdale is reverting to form, John Williams isn't, Danny Manning remains out and rookies like Michael Finley are terrific, but don't know what's going on.

So owner Jerry Colangelo met with Westphal on Thursday, then issued this statement: "I don't think it's appropriate for everyone to camp out and wait for some ax to fall. We will concentrate on getting our team healthy and ready to get the job done."
But doing so will involve some changes, like practicing for a change, something the gimpy Barkley and Johnson haven't done for several years.
"One of our biggest problems," Westphal said, "is our two key guys haven't been able to practice. So they don't know what to expect from their teammates and their teammates don't know what to expect from them. We're going to put a lot of heat on the veterans."
Which, Westphal explained, means no practice, no play, and Finley being benched for A.C. Green.
Barkley already is unhappy.
"My first two years here we won 65 games a year (62 and 56) and we never practiced," Barkley noted. "It's typical NBA crud. Everybody becomes a rocket scientist when you lose. That's why I march to my own drum. I don't worry about this stuff. I hope they fire me, because I ain't retiring unless they pay me."
Johnson was more measured, but seemed to point at Westphal, known to run a loose ship: "I don't know if it's Paul's fault or not for not defining (the roles). Paul's philosophy more than anything is, `If it works, stay with it whether it's right or wrong.'
"Whatever has worked before is not working now, so he's making adjustments."
That laissez-faire philosophy has been credited with motivating Barkley, but it kept Ainge from joining the staff as an assistant because he disagreed and always has been a sore point with Johnson. Now Westphal's fate rests on whether it can change.
 
PW needs to be fired last week. He's still a cancer and now he can't coach either. Really, he should have been fired after last season, and the Maloofs should have been mowing Adelman's lawn to get him back.
 
Ok one more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/28/s...sonics-after-feuding-with-players.html?src=pm

PRO BASKETBALL; Westphal Is Fired by Sonics After Feuding With Players
Published: November 28, 2000
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Paul Westphal was fired today as the coach of the struggling Seattle SuperSonics after disagreements with some of his star players.

The SuperSonics were expected to be a power this season with the acquisition of Patrick Ewing, but the team is only 6-9. The dismissal comes only days after an on-court shouting match between Westphal and guard Gary Payton during a game in Dallas.

Nate McMillan, an assistant coach, was named the interim head coach. McMillan, a former Seattle guard, will coach his first game Tuesday night at Portland.

Westphal, in his third year with the team, is the first National Basketball Association coach to be fired this season. He was in the final year of his contract.

''The Sonics are a much better team than their current record,'' Barry Ackerley, the team owner, said. ''We are committed to helping this team achieve its true potential this year as the Sonics have some of the best talent in the N.B.A. Paul Westphal is a good person and a fine coach. But we felt that a change was necessary to help the Sonics achieve their goals for the season.''

Ackerley said Wally Walker, the team president and general manager, made the decision to fire Westphal.

''They have been great people for whom to work,'' Westphal said. ''I would also like to thank Wally Walker, my staff and the players who gave it their all.''

On Nov. 6, after a game with Orlando, Payton, Vin Baker and Ewing reportedly shouted at some teammates about their poor effort.

Some players questioned Westphal's ability. Westphal, who was in an office, reportedly came into the locker room and said he would step down as coach if that was what the team wanted. The dispute came just four days into the season.

Walker said Westphal was frustrated by his team's bickering and insubordination.
Payton reportedly told Westphal in the huddle during the Mavericks game that he did not care ''about this game anymore. You all can suspend me for the rest of my career.''

The next day, Walker announced he was suspending Payton for at least one game ''for conduct detrimental to the team.'' Hours later, Walker lifted the suspension, saying Payton had apologized.

Westphal has also had differences with Baker, Payton's teammate on the Olympic team. The coach criticized Baker for being overweight and out of shape last season and, in the off-season, was part of an effort to trade Baker to the Knicks in a four-team deal.

The addition of Ewing was supposed to make the Sonics one of the top teams in the Western Conference. Instead, Seattle has been far from consistent this season.

Ewing is Seattle's first legitimate center since Jack Sikma left after the 1986 season. In his 16th season, Ewing is averaging 31.3 minutes, 10.3 points and 8.9 rebounds. He averaged 15 points and 9.7 rebounds for the Knicks last season.

McMillan played 12 seasons with the Sonics and has been an assistant coach the last two years. He is the team's career leader in assists and steals.

Westphal had a 76-71 record with the Sonics. He inherited a team that won 61 games in 1997-98 under George Karl, but the Sonics failed to make the playoffs in the lockout-shortened 1999 season. Seattle made the playoffs last season, but was eliminated in the first round by Utah.

In 1993, Westphal coached Phoenix to the N.B.A. finals. Three years later, after 33 games that season, he was fired by the Suns.
 
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Wow. From analysis on ESPN, it does not look good.

I'll take it for what it's worth since it's at my first glance. They suggest a "rental" of Dwight Howard...


I'm surprised that Kobe actually pulled him aside after the game and gave him advice.

But Jesus. ****storm.

Pretty terrible article: admits that the Kings won't get value in a trade, says that DMC isn't going to mature on his rookie contract, then says trade him to Boston. Really? I get that ESPN writers want to see a Celtics dynasty, but it makes no sense- he's still going to have the same issues in Boston, and they're going to tolerate his **** a lot less out there.

The best solution for all parties is clear: fire Westphal and give Cousins time to grow into himself in Sacramento. He has a ton of competitive fire, wants to win, has a city that will love him to death, and is surrounded by loads of young players with all-star potential. He's 21 years old, he needs time and a good coach to move past this.
 
Adande's an idiot. Rent Dwight Howard? Why not just move the franchise tomorrow?
 
Man if this kings team trades cousins im done with it until it either gets a new coach or they start winning consistently. Sick of this drama especially with westphaul and maloofs at the helm.
 
Adande's an idiot. Rent Dwight Howard? Why not just move the franchise tomorrow?

What are you talking about? He was saying that someone with Vet/Star power might bring in more ticket sales. How are the two associated? By rent they mean most likely to buy out the rest of his contract, which is about 18 mil?
 
Adande's an idiot. Rent Dwight Howard? Why not just move the franchise tomorrow?

He also seems to have a very different opinion than that of NBA executives. Addande thinks the Kings want to trade Cousins. Not only does the team deny this, but:

Teams interested in Cousins have called the Kings, but none believe the team will seriously consider trading him so early in his career. Several rival executives expect the Kings will eventually make a coaching change and try a tougher style with Cousins.

“Once you saw that release only came from Westphal, that was a telltale sign that this was a coach venting and not a call to the league by management and ownership that they were trading Cousins,” one Eastern Conference executive told Y! Sports.

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I would tend to believe the speculation of execs over the speculation of Addande, all things considered.
 
Good job Section 101!!!

Westphal, lowest paid coach in the league for a reason...He doesnt even coach!

Maloofs need to sell this team, those turds are running it into the ground.
 
What are you talking about? He was saying that someone with Vet/Star power might bring in more ticket sales. How are the two associated? By rent they mean most likely to buy out the rest of his contract, which is about 18 mil?
Because Howard would be one season and done. Who wants to see that? No future. Sorry to confuse you, how about trading DMC for a one year rental on Howard you may as well just fold the franchise.
 
He also seems to have a very different opinion than that of NBA executives. Addande thinks the Kings want to trade Cousins. Not only does the team deny this, but:



(link)

I would tend to believe the speculation of execs over the speculation of Addande, all things considered.

Yeah. True enough. Good find!

Though, I read through that article:

Westphal called DeMarcus for a technical in practice? Who the hell does that?
 
Maloofs need to sell this team, those turds are running it into the ground.
I don't disagree really, but weren't they ready to fire PW at some point last season and Petrie convinced them to keep him on board?

While I'm not keen on mid-season replacements its obvious what needs to be done, its just a matter of doing it in a way that doesn't send the wrong message. I just don't understand why they didn't replace the coach before the lockout, I imagine they didn't want to pay a guy on the off chance there wasn't a season. I assume coaches were going to get paid in the event of a player lockout?
 
Adande's an idiot. Rent Dwight Howard? Why not just move the franchise tomorrow?

I know most people balk at renting a star, but isn't that pretty much what they did with Chris Webber? it paid off in that case when he resigned. Not saying that's how it would play it with Howard, but who knows. Renting a star like Howard for a year could attract free agents that could lead to a turn around, just like last time. Not that I'm saying trade Cousins, I want to want to see him stay a King, I'm just pointing out that "renting" a star can often lead to better things, it's not a foregone conclusion that they'll just bail and sign with someone else.
 
Because Howard would be one season and done. Who wants to see that? No future. Sorry to confuse you, how about trading DMC for a one year rental on Howard you may as well just fold the franchise.

No, trust me, it'd take a lot more than your post to confuse me, though it is hard to follow your logistical leap from player trading to moving the franchise. The movement of the franchise was centered around getting a new arena, it had nothing to do with how rebuilding of the team was going. Now, back to this:

It is purely hypothetical. Because personally I think Cousins can mature here and become a fantastic player, and would love to see that happen at Sac.

But say that we got Howard, and he liked it here, and with his leadership we made it to the playoffs. Maybe 7th or 8th seed. Maybe he'd really like Sac - he's almost in the position of Cousins where do people really want him signing a long term contract and then saying he wants to trade? C-Webb didn't want to go to Sac, but look what that did to him. When his contract was up, he stayed on.

Because as we are right now, if we don't dump Westfail, how long until Cousins actually requests to be traded, or simply refuses to play for Westphal? What do we do, if we end up with a lemon? We'd have zero to show for it. So by your standards, we might as well fold the franchise then, too.


But purely hypothetical. Hopefully, Cousins gets himself right and we will never even have to speculate on this again.
 
I know most people balk at renting a star, but isn't that pretty much what they did with Chris Webber? it paid off in that case when he resigned. Not saying that's how it would play it with Howard, but who knows. Renting a star like Howard for a year could attract free agents that could lead to a turn around, just like last time. Not that I'm saying trade Cousins, I want to want to see him stay a King, I'm just pointing out that "renting" a star can often lead to better things, it's not a foregone conclusion that they'll just bail and sign with someone else.


+1 Sir. That's what they did with C-Webb. And it turned out great for Sac. It's always a big gamble, but I'm not sure it's all that much more a gamble than seeing where this goes. But yes, agree with your post whole heartedly. Sometimes having that star can draw a couple more players, help other players mature, etc.
 
I know most people balk at renting a star, but isn't that pretty much what they did with Chris Webber? it paid off in that case when he resigned. Not saying that's how it would play it with Howard, but who knows. Renting a star like Howard for a year could attract free agents that could lead to a turn around, just like last time. Not that I'm saying trade Cousins, I want to want to see him stay a King, I'm just pointing out that "renting" a star can often lead to better things, it's not a foregone conclusion that they'll just bail and sign with someone else.
We traded a rapidly declining Mitch Richmond for Chris Webber. Small for big, old for young. Washington just about broke every rule in the book making that deal. Not remotely comparable IMO. There were other factors that I think lead to Chris staying that aren't likely to repeat themselves - the fact that he had moved twice already and didn't stick in either location coupled with the fantastic team chemistry those Kings had from 98-02 topping the list.
 
No, trust me, it'd take a lot more than your post to confuse me, though it is hard to follow your logistical leap from player trading to moving the franchise. The movement of the franchise was centered around getting a new arena, it had nothing to do with how rebuilding of the team was going.
No, moving DMC for a rental is throwing in the towel. Its the type of cynical move that kept us shooting for an 8 seed instead of rebuilding the franchise when it was evident that the magic was gone. It's why we are in the friggin mess we are in now. It's why we lost Adelman (yeah, they fired him, but with the rosters they were assembling the records were just going to get worse and it would have ended even worse, at least he went out a winner who was rudely dumped by the Maloofs).

We caught lightning in a bottle with Webber. I don't see it repeating in our current shape. There's no Vlade like leadership or J-Will every night is a sportscenter top 10 player on this team.
 
If our FO considers for more than a second to trade Cousins because of this, and side with Westy, Stern needs to step in and clean house.
 
Adande is a horrible writer btw. Maybe the worst on ESPN. He gets info wrong all the time and basically whambulanced his way through the CP3 trades because the Lakers didn't get him. He's got some weird thing about crapping on small markets and celebrating big markets on the other hand. It's no surprise he didn't check to see if the Kings meant to trade Cousins before writing that.
 
No, moving DMC for a rental is throwing in the towel. Its the type of cynical move that kept us shooting for an 8 seed instead of rebuilding the franchise when it was evident that the magic was gone. It's why we are in the friggin mess we are in now. It's why we lost Adelman (yeah, they fired him, but with the rosters they were assembling the records were just going to get worse and it would have ended even worse, at least he went out a winner who was rudely dumped by the Maloofs).

We caught lightning in a bottle with Webber. I don't see it repeating in our current shape. There's no Vlade like leadership or J-Will every night is a sportscenter top 10 player on this team.

Webber was traded to Sacramento in 1998 and re-signed in 2001 (with a contending team built around his talents). There's no reasonable comparison between that and 55 games of Dwight Howard on a lotto team.
 
Webber was traded to Sacramento in 1998 and re-signed in 2001 (with a contending team built around his talents). There's no reasonable comparison between that and 55 games of Dwight Howard on a lotto team.
Thank you, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Not to mention it was at the beginning of the max-contract era when players seemed content to take their max deals rather than force ridiculous sign and trades or conspire with their homies to all move to a team to build superteams. Of course those Kings were pretty friggin' super.
 
Great job on the research by Section 101. I remember some of the details from Phoenix and Seattle and for those reasons I did not want PW hired in the first place.

I did not feel like researching anything so I am glad someone else did and gave Section 101 credit in my tweets.
 
Thank you, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Not to mention it was at the beginning of the max-contract era when players seemed content to take their max deals rather than force ridiculous sign and trades or conspire with their homies to all move to a team to build superteams. Of course those Kings were pretty friggin' super.

Helps that all of Webb's friends were on the Kings aside from Juwan Howard and Jalen Rose who both wound up alienating him in the booster trial.
 
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