Like others have said, this is probably better than Redd or Allen, and a wise move by Hughes. He will now be Lebron's sidekick, with all the endorsements and TV time that comes with it. They're a great combo. If I were Ferry, I would now chase Antonio Daniels, forget Big Z, and overpay a little bit for one of the young bigs mentioned earlier, preferably Delambert or Chandler.
Help for Lebron?
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FrenchCanadianKING
G-League
They are gonna kill it next year...
If LeBron as a 20 year old averaged 25,7,7 with absolutely no help whatsoever from his teammates, LeBron as a 21 year old with Larry Hughes as a teammate is downright scary.
Triple double anyone? nah maybe not yet, but he'll get it before he hangs em up.
If LeBron as a 20 year old averaged 25,7,7 with absolutely no help whatsoever from his teammates, LeBron as a 21 year old with Larry Hughes as a teammate is downright scary.
Triple double anyone? nah maybe not yet, but he'll get it before he hangs em up.
Bibby_Is_Clutch
Starter
Lebron had several Triple Doubles this past season. If you are talking about averaging a TD then that may be hard... but who knows with Lebron.
I think the chances of LeBron averaging a triple double decrease with added help. Part of the reason I don't think Oscar Robertson will have company is that rebound and assist numbers have decreased over the years. It is a side effect of lower scoring games. Years ago, a player had to average 14 or 15 assists per game to lead the league. These days, 10 or 11 will do it.
But rebounds are where I don't see LeBron's numbers ever cracking a double digit average. His assists might go up with more help, but even then 10 per game is asking a lot. 10 rebounds per game? That's a LOT to ask. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that any team needing James to average over 10 boards is not going to be contending for anything.
I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll ever see another player average a triple double for a season, unless the pace of the game increases substantially.
But rebounds are where I don't see LeBron's numbers ever cracking a double digit average. His assists might go up with more help, but even then 10 per game is asking a lot. 10 rebounds per game? That's a LOT to ask. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that any team needing James to average over 10 boards is not going to be contending for anything.
I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll ever see another player average a triple double for a season, unless the pace of the game increases substantially.
FrenchCanadianKING
G-League
funkykingston said:
just for the record, yes i was talking about averaging a TD because obviously he already gets one here and there.
Good point about the contender comment and the 10 boards needed. I know it sounds crazy and untouchable but for some reason I think he'll do it. As scary as it may sound, LeBron still has a lot of upside and time to grow into an even better,smarter and more efficient ball player.
But you are right though, 10 boards per game will be the hardest for him to get on a consistent basis. I don't think he'll ever get a problem getting 10 assists per game down the road in like 5-6 years
BobbyJ_for3!
Bench
I agree on both sides of this argument. It is asking a lot for LeBron to get 10 rebs a game, and it might not be possible for him to do assists AND rebs. But for some reason, I also get the feeling he will get the chance to do it sometime in his career.
Not to say either of you didnt mean this, but if he ends his career averaging 25, 7, 7 overall and every year, i would think he would go down as top 50 player in nba history. its hard to do even that, esp in this era
Not to say either of you didnt mean this, but if he ends his career averaging 25, 7, 7 overall and every year, i would think he would go down as top 50 player in nba history. its hard to do even that, esp in this era
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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Cavs still shopping – Haslem on the list
Cleveland making run at HaslemBY ISRAEL GUTIERREZ, igutierrez@herald.com
July 11, 2005 The Cleveland Cavaliers missed out on top free agents Ray Allen and Michael Redd, so their immediate plans now include courting Heat free agent Udonis Haslem.
Sources indicate the Cavaliers are interested in setting up a meeting with Haslem to convince the third-year forward he can be part of the team's future, and they could be prepared to offer Haslem more than the five-year, $33 million deal the Heat can offer.
Word among players is that LeBron James has become a Haslem fan after watching him the past two years and playing with him in the Rookie Challenge games the past two All-Star weekends.
Having failed to lure Allen and Redd from their current teams, the Cavaliers and new general manager Danny Ferry need to provide James with reasons to stay in Cleveland past his current contract. Cleveland already has come to terms with free agent Larry Hughes, and signing a young, workhorse power forward such as Haslem could be another measure taken. With about $28 million of space under the salary cap, the Cavaliers can still afford to sign Haslem and center Zydrunas Ilgauskas after signing Hughes.
The Heat has been in negotiations with Haslem, meeting with the free agent the first day negotiations were allowed, but an agreement is still not in place, leaving the door open for a team such as the Cavaliers to pursue Haslem.
Haslem's agent, Jason Levien, wouldn't comment on negotiations.
Should Haslem, a restricted free agent, sign an offer sheet with the Cavaliers more than the amount the Heat can offer, it is believed the Heat would have to forfeit the use of its mid-level exception to match the deal (final word on that rule won't be official until the new collective bargaining agreement is completely written later this month).
That would put the Heat in a bind and give the team much less flexibility than once expected. Should the Heat sign Haslem under its terms, the team would have a starting power forward in place and still have its mid-level exception with which to sign at least one point guard and possibly another frontcourt addition.
If Haslem signs a larger offer sheet elsewhere, the Heat could choose not to match the offer, then likely would need to use all or most of its exception to sign a starting caliber power forward such as Donyell Marshall or Shareef Abdur-Rahim (the Nets remain in the lead to sign Abdur-Rahim). That likely would narrow the team's options for a point guard, with re-signing Damon Jones as its most reasonable option.
Haslem, who has indicated his desire to stay in Miami, still could sign with the Heat, overlooking the possibility of signing for more money elsewhere. But the longer the Heat waits to come to an agreement with Haslem, the greater the possibility Haslem could be drawn elsewhere.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=knight-_WWW_12092112&prov=knight&type=lgns
Cleveland making run at HaslemBY ISRAEL GUTIERREZ, igutierrez@herald.com
July 11, 2005 The Cleveland Cavaliers missed out on top free agents Ray Allen and Michael Redd, so their immediate plans now include courting Heat free agent Udonis Haslem.
Sources indicate the Cavaliers are interested in setting up a meeting with Haslem to convince the third-year forward he can be part of the team's future, and they could be prepared to offer Haslem more than the five-year, $33 million deal the Heat can offer.
Word among players is that LeBron James has become a Haslem fan after watching him the past two years and playing with him in the Rookie Challenge games the past two All-Star weekends.
Having failed to lure Allen and Redd from their current teams, the Cavaliers and new general manager Danny Ferry need to provide James with reasons to stay in Cleveland past his current contract. Cleveland already has come to terms with free agent Larry Hughes, and signing a young, workhorse power forward such as Haslem could be another measure taken. With about $28 million of space under the salary cap, the Cavaliers can still afford to sign Haslem and center Zydrunas Ilgauskas after signing Hughes.
The Heat has been in negotiations with Haslem, meeting with the free agent the first day negotiations were allowed, but an agreement is still not in place, leaving the door open for a team such as the Cavaliers to pursue Haslem.
Haslem's agent, Jason Levien, wouldn't comment on negotiations.
Should Haslem, a restricted free agent, sign an offer sheet with the Cavaliers more than the amount the Heat can offer, it is believed the Heat would have to forfeit the use of its mid-level exception to match the deal (final word on that rule won't be official until the new collective bargaining agreement is completely written later this month).
That would put the Heat in a bind and give the team much less flexibility than once expected. Should the Heat sign Haslem under its terms, the team would have a starting power forward in place and still have its mid-level exception with which to sign at least one point guard and possibly another frontcourt addition.
If Haslem signs a larger offer sheet elsewhere, the Heat could choose not to match the offer, then likely would need to use all or most of its exception to sign a starting caliber power forward such as Donyell Marshall or Shareef Abdur-Rahim (the Nets remain in the lead to sign Abdur-Rahim). That likely would narrow the team's options for a point guard, with re-signing Damon Jones as its most reasonable option.
Haslem, who has indicated his desire to stay in Miami, still could sign with the Heat, overlooking the possibility of signing for more money elsewhere. But the longer the Heat waits to come to an agreement with Haslem, the greater the possibility Haslem could be drawn elsewhere.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=knight-_WWW_12092112&prov=knight&type=lgns
captain bill
All-Star
I just came over here to post that article. I think Cleveland is determined and will probably get Haslem, especially after missing out on other options. Z is much more of a question mark in my opinion, but I don't think anyone else will take on his huge salary so he might just come back to the Cavs anyway. LeBron, Hughes, Haslem and Z- that would be absolutely frightening. Add to that Drew Gooden being a good player off the bench, and it would be near impossible for this team to miss the playoffs. If Hughes-Arenas can lead the Wizards to the playoffs, imagine what this squad can do.
Bibby_Is_Clutch
Starter
captain bill said:
I cant wait to see this team play next year. Instantly a top 5 or better team in the east with the resigning of Z and the signing of Haslem.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Time for me to revisit my Kenny Thomas for Gooden/Newble proposal.
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