Hawes versus Brandon Wright

TaxMan

TaxMan

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Since so many people seem quick to diss Hawes by pointing to his stats, I thought I would check out how he compared to Brandon Wright. People seemed much higher on Wright....including myself. However, take a look at their stats.

Hawes:
Pts. 14.9
Ast. 1.9
Reb. 6.4
Blk. 1.7
Stl. 0.5
FG%. 52.3%
FT%. 75.5%
Min 28.9

Wright:
Pts. 14.7
Ast. 1.0
Reb. 6.2
Blk. 1.8
Stl. 1.0
FG% 64.6%
FT% 56.7%
Min 27.4

Who would I rather have? Wright. But it's crazy to look at Hawes stats and conclude that he's not a shotblocker, not a rebounder, or unathletic. If you've watched him play and have those opinions, that's one thing.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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And Wright slipped because he was generally considered unready for the NBA 9and the rebounding was a major and oft noted concern). The difference being that many think he has huge upside, largely based on his athletic characteristics. Hawes...does not. What you see is what you get.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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I wasn't all that pumped about either of them. But here's a stat to chew on:

Hawes vertical leap: 29
Wright vertical leap: 35.5
 
TaxMan

TaxMan

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Bricklayer said:
And Wright slipped because he was generally considered unready for the NBA 9and the rebounding was a major and oft noted concern). The difference being that many think he has huge upside, largely based on his athletic characteristics. Hawes...does not. What you see is what you get.
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I agree with that to a degree. However, to think Hawes has peaked at 19 is a quite a leap.
 
Henkel

Henkel

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BMiller52 said:
He wasn't the best pick available. That was JULIAN WRIGHT.
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Please indulge me and explain why you are so high on this guy? How many great perimeter player in this league have average handles and a poor jump shot? He might be good if used in a run and gun system but even then what makes him better then Al thorton who can run and gun plus create shots for himself and knock it down.
 
Gary

Gary

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TaxMan said:
I agree with that to a degree. However, to think Hawes has peaked at 19 is a quite a leap.
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Tell that to Hawes, and then have him show you his leap.. My grandma who uses a walker is more athletic than Hawes.

Damn... All night I was hoping to hear of some kinf of trade.. How the Kings drafted Hawes for another team, and then we get a couple first rounders..

Petrie.. you really screwed up..


BTW.. Brandan Wright over Hawes about 10 times out of 10. No way Hawes will be better.
 
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kyo2002

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If the Kings keep Hawes they might have to play Justin Williams along side to make up for athleticism, rebound, and blocking. It can be a good thing...or a bad thing. I just can't see Hawes with SAR or KT.
 
LPKingsFan

LPKingsFan

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kyo2002 said:
If the Kings keep Hawes they might have to play Justin Williams along side to make up for athleticism, rebound, and blocking. It can be a good thing...or a bad thing. I just can't see Hawes with SAR or KT.
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Nor should you. They are old, and we are going young. The time has come to ship them out!
 
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ovrush

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TaxMan said:
Since so many people seem quick to diss Hawes by pointing to his stats, I thought I would check out how he compared to Brandon Wright. People seemed much higher on Wright....including myself. However, take a look at their stats.

Hawes:
Pts. 14.9
Ast. 1.9
Reb. 6.4
Blk. 1.7
Stl. 0.5
FG%. 52.3%
FT%. 75.5%
Min 28.9

Wright:
Pts. 14.7
Ast. 1.0
Reb. 6.2
Blk. 1.8
Stl. 1.0
FG% 64.6%
FT% 56.7%
Min 27.4

Who would I rather have? Wright. But it's crazy to look at Hawes stats and conclude that he's not a shotblocker, not a rebounder, or unathletic. If you've watched him play and have those opinions, that's one thing.
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Julian Wright (available)

PPG 12.0
APG 2.2
RPG 7.8
Blocks:1.3
Steals: 1.4

Yes, Wright's kind of a tweener, but a guy with great handles, tremendous court vision and a superior defender. Easily the best pick where we were. If he works hard on his shot he could be a special special NBA player because every other aspect of his game is there. Also note Wright while smaller than Hawes only has a standing reach 2 inches shorter and his vertical is 33.5 while Hawes is 29... so really you get a guy who plays bigger in Wright... Hell Wright would probably do a better job defending NBA 5's than Hawes will.
 
Henkel

Henkel

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nbrans said:
Actually it's ridiculously low. Find me another seven footer in any recent draft who can jump less than 29".
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Find me another 19 year old with the offensive skills of Hawes? i can show you plenty of great bigs with insane verticals that suck. There is no formula to finding a great player, there are factors that help but a number never determines a players success. If you watch the kid you can see due to his post skills and range that he will be able to get his shot off in the nba even without being that elite athlete. Isnt that what were talking about here? Is his lack of athleticism gonna stop him from being a productive player? With his height and skill that wont be a problem.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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BMiller52 said:
He wasn't the best pick available. That was JULIAN WRIGHT.
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Hey, I am/was a big fan of Julian but Hawes has been a top prospect on the scene for quite sometime. I think you have to take Hawes over the rest of the players available.

I'd really like to see us swing a deal for Al Thornton however.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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macadocious said:
Really 29? That is really high for 7footer/center. That is very suprising.
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Actually its not -- mentioned when those stats came out it made me feel studly since I had a better vert at his age (not 7 feet of course).

He's a bad athlete. And unufortunately, that will not change. You can drafta guy who needs to develop a psot game or whatnot and talk about upside based on him learnign a new skill. But you don't learn to eb an athlete. In fact a little strength aside, you should be about as good an athelte, as far as running, jumping, mobility etc. at 19 as you are ever going to be. If that's your weakness, your weakness it will remian.
 
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Smills91

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My Bro-in-law is from Seattle and a HUGE Huskies fan, he really liked Hawes and said he was sick a lot last year which reduced his minutes/performance in a lot of games.
 
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sactownfan

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Acie Law and Spencer Hawes are best to be avoided. Both are viewed as late-lottery picks, but they look like solid second-rounders from here. Hawes has an unimpressive rebound rate, which is a huge red flag considering he was bigger than everyone he played against. And for all the talk of his great post skills, he had a run-of-the-mill 55.0 true shooting percentage and didn't even have the best PER on his mediocre team (that belonged to Jon Brockman). A lot of folks think he can become a quality pro post player; based on his numbers, I just don't see it.
 
Rockmeister

Rockmeister

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#26
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TaxMan said:
Since so many people seem quick to diss Hawes by pointing to his stats, I thought I would check out how he compared to Brandon Wright. People seemed much higher on Wright....including myself. However, take a look at their stats.

Hawes:
Pts. 14.9
Ast. 1.9
Reb. 6.4
Blk. 1.7
Stl. 0.5
FG%. 52.3%
FT%. 75.5%
Min 28.9

Wright:
Pts. 14.7
Ast. 1.0
Reb. 6.2
Blk. 1.8
Stl. 1.0
FG% 64.6%
FT% 56.7%
Min 27.4

Who would I rather have? Wright. But it's crazy to look at Hawes stats and conclude that he's not a shotblocker, not a rebounder, or unathletic. If you've watched him play and have those opinions, that's one thing.
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Why are you comparing a 7'1 CENTER to a 6'10 POWER FORWARD?
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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Bricklayer said:
And Wright slipped because he was generally considered unready for the NBA 9and the rebounding was a major and oft noted concern). The difference being that many think he has huge upside, largely based on his athletic characteristics. Hawes...does not. What you see is what you get.
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Well, that and when it came down to it the guy doesn't have anything to fall back on. Nothing. He doesn't do ANYTHING well.
 
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cfechter

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Bricklayer said:
Actually its not -- mentioned when those stats came out it made me feel studly since I had a better vert at his age (not 7 feet of course).

He's a bad athlete. And unufortunately, that will not change. You can drafta guy who needs to develop a psot game or whatnot and talk about upside based on him learnign a new skill. But you don't learn to eb an athlete. In fact a little strength aside, you should be about as good an athelte, as far as running, jumping, mobility etc. at 19 as you are ever going to be. If that's your weakness, your weakness it will remian.
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A 29 inch vert is pretty nice for a non-athlete, athelte. I think when I played college ball (football) mine was a 25-26. I could dunk a small ball on a 10 foot rim, and I'm 6'1.

He's a terrible athlete, and terrible athletes don't do so well. A few go the Miller route, where they develop the skills and tenacity to survive, but that's few and far between.

We'll just have to live out our depression and see how he pans out. I trust Petrie completely, but this one has me confused.
 
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