Granger again

i would love to have him....thorton/salmons/jimmer for granger/green...that would give ind a pure scored in thorton, an expiring contract in salmons and maybe some potential with jimmer.
 
Granger is an expiring contract himself. so if it works out really well we would be faced with cousins and granger contracts next year.
 
Entity said:
Granger is an expiring contract himself. so if it works out really well we would be faced with cousins and granger contracts next year.
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yeah im not worrying about money anymore(the maloofs are gone), if it works out well(playoffs) i wouldnt see any reason why they would hesitate to be over the cap to keep winning...we sign him to like a 3 yr deal..draft a SF to groom..maybe im getting ahead of myself...just make it happen pete...at worst he would be a huge expiring contract chip at the deadline.
 
The big thing with Granger is his health.

I will say that if he can stay healthy then the shooting he would provide at the SF should allow us to go big at the PF position rather then looking for a stretch four...and there is a lot of appeal there for me.

The biggest concern I have about bringing AI on board would be that you might want to have a stretch 4 play the PF position...and while that would help a lot on office with the floor spacing...it would really hurt our interior defense. Granger would allow your perimeter shooting to come from the SF position so you could go defense at the PF position.
 
Uncia03 said:
The biggest concern I have about bringing AI on board would be that you might want to have a stretch 4 play the PF position...and while that would help a lot on office with the floor spacing...it would really hurt our interior defense.
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Our GM comes from Denver. He might not think that's a bad thing.
 
I have been wanting to go this route rather than give the max to AI and possibly lose Tyreke. Plus Granger will be a massive expiring contract next off-season. For me it has always been about his health.
 
Even with the concerns about Granger's knees, he's a top 10 SF in the league, and a good fit next to the rest of the roster. I would do this in a heartbeat.
 
I prefer the

Reke
MLM
Granger
Def Big
Cuz

lineup to

Calderon or someone else
MLM
Iggy on a near max
Stretch 4
Cuz

potential lineup.

And getting Granger in a trade which is how we'd have to do it preserves cap room and flexibility(at least some), and I agree with Uncia it allows us to go defensive at the 4 rather than a stretch 4 with Iggy, which IMO anything with a stretch 4 has a lower ceiling than a defensive big next to Cuz.
 
Iggy may not be a 40% 3pt shooter buts its not like guys are going to run away from him if he is beyond the arc.
 
rainmaker said:
I prefer the

Reke
MLM
Granger
Def Big
Cuz

lineup to

Calderon or someone else
MLM
Iggy on a near max
Stretch 4
Cuz

potential lineup.

And getting Granger in a trade which is how we'd have to do it preserves cap room and flexibility(at least some), and I agree with Uncia it allows us to go defensive at the 4 rather than a stretch 4 with Iggy, which IMO anything with a stretch 4 has a lower ceiling than a defensive big next to Cuz.
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Calderon shot 46% from the 3 last season. I don't get why you'd need a stretch 4 in the second lineup and not the first. Getting Iguodala doesn't change anything on the defensive big man front, IMO.
 
Entity said:
Iggy may not be a 40% 3pt shooter buts its not like guys are going to run away from him if he is beyond the arc.
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My thoughts exactly. Reke and Iggy aren't Ray Allens, but they're decent enough that they'll require at least an average level of coverage from peremiter defenses.
 
Uncia03 said:
The big thing with Granger is his health.

I will say that if he can stay healthy then the shooting he would provide at the SF should allow us to go big at the PF position rather then looking for a stretch four...and there is a lot of appeal there for me.

The biggest concern I have about bringing AI on board would be that you might want to have a stretch 4 play the PF position...and while that would help a lot on office with the floor spacing...it would really hurt our interior defense. Granger would allow your perimeter shooting to come from the SF position so you could go defense at the PF position.
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Being a stretch 4 doesn't require being bad on defense. Horry is the OG stretch and he was a solid defender.
 
rainmaker said:
I prefer the

Reke
MLM
Granger
Def Big
Cuz

lineup to

Calderon or someone else
MLM
Iggy on a near max
Stretch 4
Cuz

potential lineup.

And getting Granger in a trade which is how we'd have to do it preserves cap room and flexibility(at least some), and I agree with Uncia it allows us to go defensive at the 4 rather than a stretch 4 with Iggy, which IMO anything with a stretch 4 has a lower ceiling than a defensive big next to Cuz.
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And how can that first team work. I think the last few years showed how that would only compound the issues here. Team full of players wanting to shoot the ball. That 2nd team can work. Iggy and Calderon don't munch shots, most will go to Cuz and McLemore, like they should.
 
It might have been the optimist in me, but why didn't anyone bring up getting both Iguodala and Granger? Now I know this is almost laughable, but hear me out. If we resign Evans to a 44mil/4 years and backload it as much as possible it will be roughly 9.837 mil for Evans's first year. If the reports are true that we offered a 56mil/4 year deal to Iguodala and we backloaded it as much as possible, it will be roughly 13.089 mil for Iguodala's first year. Right now, the cap won't allow us to make these two deals. We would have to shed salary through trades. We can package Patterson and Fredette and send them off to a contender for a future pick. That brings about 5.679 mil off the books. This along with amnestying Salmons will give us enough room to sign both of these players to the deals that have been realistically throw around in rumors.

The article from the OP said that Indiana was looking to move Granger and Green. If we pull off a Thomas, Thornton, and Hayes for Granger and Green, we would be losing around 3-4 mil in cap space. If we factor in McLemore and McCallums salary we will be sitting at 57.2 mil. Factor in Brooks fee against the cap and we'll be around 57.8 mil. That is still under the cap!

From this point I would look to sign Dalembert to the MLE and resign Aldrich. I wasn't too familiar with his contract before he came to the Kings so it might not have been long enough to where we can go over the cap to sign him. If that's the case, try to sign him for the veteran minimum or another big center to the veteran minimum. If we pull this off, this is what our lineup will look like on the season opener:

PG - Evans/McCallum
SG - Iguodala/McLemore
SF - Granger/Green/Outlaw
PF - Dalembert/Thompson
C - Cousins/Aldrich

That looks like a great Kings team to me! :) Again, it's probably not likely that our FO is leaning towards this route.
 
At this point I see Granger as nothing more than an expiring contract. If he returns relatively healthy I'd be very surprised. If the plan is to trade Thornton just to get rid of his salary, fine. But to expect Granger to return intact and play starter mins is too ambitious imo.

But what the hey, sometimes they do come back healthy. Wish him the best but I wouldn't give up too much for him and for sure wouldn't count on him as part of the future.

.
 
twslam07 said:
It might have been the optimist in me, but why didn't anyone bring up getting both Iguodala and Granger? Now I know this is almost laughable, but hear me out. If we resign Evans to a 44mil/4 years and backload it as much as possible it will be roughly 9.837 mil for Evans's first year. If the reports are true that we offered a 56mil/4 year deal to Iguodala and we backloaded it as much as possible, it will be roughly 13.089 mil for Iguodala's first year. Right now, the cap won't allow us to make these two deals. We would have to shed salary through trades. We can package Patterson and Fredette and send them off to a contender for a future pick. That brings about 5.679 mil off the books. This along with amnestying Salmons will give us enough room to sign both of these players to the deals that have been realistically throw around in rumors.

The article from the OP said that Indiana was looking to move Granger and Green. If we pull off a Thomas, Thornton, and Hayes for Granger and Green, we would be losing around 3-4 mil in cap space. If we factor in McLemore and McCallums salary we will be sitting at 57.2 mil. Factor in Brooks fee against the cap and we'll be around 57.8 mil. That is still under the cap!

From this point I would look to sign Dalembert to the MLE and resign Aldrich. I wasn't too familiar with his contract before he came to the Kings so it might not have been long enough to where we can go over the cap to sign him. If that's the case, try to sign him for the veteran minimum or another big center to the veteran minimum. If we pull this off, this is what our lineup will look like on the season opener:

PG - Evans/McCallum
SG - Iguodala/McLemore
SF - Granger/Green/Outlaw
PF - Dalembert/Thompson
C - Cousins/Aldrich

That looks like a great Kings team to me! :) Again, it's probably not likely that our FO is leaning towards this route.
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I like that line-up a lot. (If Granger is healthy) I didn't want to try to calculate all the salaries to see if it was feasible...but what I did want to mention is that we don't have access to the MLE because we're starting this period under the cap. Also...if we're over the cap then Aldrich would have to resign with us for the league minimum...which could happen but probably not likely.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
Him what about trying too trade for one of Orlandos young Small Forwards. Tobias Harris or Mo Harkless?
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I've liked Tobias Harris ever since he came out of College. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him.
Also Jordan Hamilton from Denver (who have a glut of SFs) is another SF I liked out of Texas...but if we don't look at him it must mean that DA isn't high on him.
 
Uncia03 said:
I've liked Tobias Harris ever since he came out of College. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him.
Also Jordan Hamilton from Denver (who have a glut of SFs) is another SF I liked out of Texas...but if we don't look at him it must mean that DA isn't high on him.
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Yah in 27 games for Orlando this year Harris put up 36 mpg, 17 ppg, 45%fg, 31 3fg%, 8.5 rpg, 2.1 apg, .9 spg, 1.4 bpg..... Very nice numbers..

I like Hamilton aswell. I also really like Jeff Taylor from the bobcats, athletic shutdown defender that can hit the three consistenly.
 
I would do it! Might be worth the risk. Another player to keep in mind is Deng who just might be available and Chicago need a genuine SG and might consider Thornton!
 
I'd do it too. No big risk here. He has only one year left on his contract, so if he won't be able to stay healthy he will be just a big expiring contract.
 
Mass said:
I'd do it too. No big risk here. He has only one year left on his contract, so if he won't be able to stay healthy he will be just a big expiring contract.
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The thing is, expiring contract really does nothing for us as it doesn't free up enough cap room where we can make a splash next year and re-sign Tyreke this year.

If we re-sign Tyreke ($11-12 million per season) and re-sign Cousins ($14-15 million) that already chews up a lot of the cap space for us especially with contracts we already have on the books! Even if Granger is just an expiring deal, he still doesn't free up enough cap space to bring in a notable free agent!

Unless of course we extend Cousins, extend Tyreke, get Granger and dump every possible long term deal for peanuts by the trade deadline, tank for a lottery pick and have massive cap space to go shopping in 2014. Might actually be the best way forward but I very much doubt that is how Vivek and Co. are approaching this.

We really were in prime position to make our move immediately after the lock out. I wish Vivek was our owner back then as we would be contending now with a re-signed Evans and about to extend Cousins.
 
Čarolija said:
The thing is, expiring contract really does nothing for us as it doesn't free up enough cap room where we can make a splash next year and re-sign Tyreke this year.

If we re-sign Tyreke ($11-12 million per season) and re-sign Cousins ($14-15 million) that already chews up a lot of the cap space for us especially with contracts we already have on the books! Even if Granger is just an expiring deal, he still doesn't free up enough cap space to bring in a notable free agent!

Unless of course we extend Cousins, extend Tyreke, get Granger and dump every possible long term deal for peanuts by the trade deadline, tank for a lottery pick and have massive cap space to go shopping in 2014. Might actually be the best way forward but I very much doubt that is how Vivek and Co. are approaching this.

We really were in prime position to make our move immediately after the lock out. I wish Vivek was our owner back then as we would be contending now with a re-signed Evans and about to extend Cousins.
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Well I think the expiring bit is just handy for managing the risk. If he works out we can use our Bird rights to reup him. If the knee is career threatening, we aren't pinned by a long term mega deal.
 
Since it sounds like Igoudala is well and truly off the table now, Granger looks a lot more appealing to me as a fallback option. Worst-case scenario isn't all that bad -- we at least get some cap space cleared out (assuming we send them Thornton and filler). If he does have a bounce back year I don't know how big of a deal he'll be getting next summer. The injury uncertainty and expiring contract mean he wouldn't be the same stabilizing influence that a 4 year Igoudala deal would have been, but he's a very good fit for us if he does come close to his past production and wants to stick around.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well I think the expiring bit is just handy for managing the risk. If he works out we can use our Bird rights to reup him. If the knee is career threatening, we aren't pinned by a long term mega deal.
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True but, if it doesn't work out, then we shave the salary by some $13 million but we are in no position to improve either. We have no cap space and no trade chip either!

I would definitely do it if it helps us shed an undesireable contract or two (eg Dump Hayes contract by including him with Thornton for Granger).

Along with Granger, I would keep an eye on the situation with Deng. I think he might also be someone that could be looked at. Granger's game fits better but Deng is younger
 
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