Grades v. Rockets 11/21/09

Kings Player of the Game?

  • Spencer Hawes

    Votes: 44 55.0%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 15 18.8%
  • Omri Casspi

    Votes: 21 26.3%

  • Total voters
    80
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Noc ( B- ) -- started off this game curiously passive. Repeatedly passed up threes and actually did not look like he terribly wanted to mix it up with Battier (for the most part). And maybe he knew somethng we did not, because when he did shoot in the early going it was ugly. Airballed his first shot, and I think was 1-6 before he started to wake up. Notably it wasn't against Battier or Ariza, but rather Chase Budinger -- when the kid entered the game Nocioni's eyes lit up and all of a sudden he was agressively attacking inside again, working the post and using his strength advantage. Began to get out on the break in the mid third and came on in the early 4th with some strong takes and then a big flop on defense. But didn't have any better luck than anybody else trying to contain Landry in the post late int eh game.

Thompson ( C ) -- tough to win this one without Reke or much of a game from JT. Was being checked by Hayes early, and pretty much completely neutralized. And on the other end Scola overpowered him on defense. Went to the bench after a completely ineffective first quarter. When he returned looked better, immediately took it at Scola and scored underneath the hoop, then got a tip, and worked his way up to a respectabel 10pt first half. Made a mistake at the very end of the half, going for the last shot too early, thus leaving the Rockets time for a counter, and then compounding it by picking up an offensive foul. Did not build on the late 2nd quarter momentum after half. Was quiet early in the third, largely checked off the glass, which is always a big key for his game, and then got in foul trouble limiting his minutes and effectiveness down the stretch. Had a nifty spin move over Scola at the 4 minute mark, but beat by the much smaller Landry on the block down the stretch.

Hawes ( A- ) -- what started off looking like an oh no perforamnce, eventually morphed into the best performance of the season for Spencer. The oh no of course came when Spencer came out in the first quarter against perhaps the smallest starting frontline in the NBA and decided that the way to attack it was to start chucking threes. And if they were not by design then at the very least Beno knew exactly where to find him when he spotted up. This time he finally hit his first two, but that was hardly the point. However what started off with me shaking my head quickly morphed into something unexpected -- Spencer grew a set. Of course its easier to be brave when you are 3 inches taller than anybody you have to face, but damn if there did not appear to be a method to the madness this time out. The three point shots all came in a quick burst at the start of the game, but interspersed was a dunk over Scola, and then an eye opening back down and hook over him -- which is of course what Spencer should be doing all the time. And then Specner began to attack the middle consistently, and interestingly when he did spot way outside was using upfakes of the long jumper to start dirves back down inside again. Now maybe Westphal said something to him over on the sideline -- likely involving multiple uses of the word "weenie" -- and that was why the threes came and then abruptly stopped. But maybe just maybe there was a plan there, whetehr it be Spencer's or Westphal's, to try to establish that shot and then use fear of it to help on the drive. In any case, after a burst of early wuss, Spencer spent the rest of the game down inside where he belongs, and gave us a solid if not spectacular post presence for most of the night. Defensively...eh, that did not come along so dramatically. Scola poured in points the other way in the early going, Spencer once again suffered the indignity of having Chuck Hayes back him down and hook over him, and while Spencer picked up a couple of blocks it seems that the rockets were getting to every lose balland cleaning up inside again and again. On offense Specner's efficicey began to dip, but the inside focus of his game surprisingly did not waver. Got off to a mixed start to the thid, but upon returning when JT picked up his 4th, had an immediate impact. Got a tip in, a blocked shot. Beat up Scola in the post in the 4th -- just posted him and went right at him and over him. For the most part the inside moves were farly simplistic, Spencer rarely broke out the good stuff for this one. But using his size advantage he played the meat and potatoes game of a post player. Back a guy down, hook over, turn aorund off the glass, push the guy in closer and get the tip in etc. Another teaser effort before putting the ballet slippers back on when he faces a full sized opponent? Or an important turning point game where Spencer remembers he is 7 feet tall? Only the shadow knows.

Greene ( C+ ) -- got the out of position start in place of Reke (although not as out of position as it might normally have been given that the Rockets start Trevor Ariza at SG, who is more of a SF himself) and had a shrug game with it. Ariza got by him far too easily in the early going, and while he chipped in a couple of hoops the other way, there was not much impact. Came out on fire in the third pouring in 5 quick points, but then got a little wild and turned it over three straight times, twice on the drive, and once on a clean pick by Ariza, before hitting another three to close his scoring. Lost a lot of late minutes with Casspi playing so well. Not an awful performance by Donte, by somewhat of a step back performance. Hit all his shots -- 5-5, that was the good. But also turned it over 4 times and did not provide help on the glass or passing game (1reb no assists).

Udrih ( B+ ) -- got a couple of hoops early, but in the early going it looked like Brooks' quickness was going to be a major issue back the other way. But actually started to dial in defensively before he did offensively, and really after the opening minutes did a good job of staying in front of Brooks, and a decent one on Lowry. Finally began to click into offensive gear in the 3rd in familiar ways - psotting up fro three, driving into the lane for those little pullups. Racked up 8 assists as well, which is about double his average last season. Not able to direct us wiht any efficiency in our 4th quarter collapse however. Came out of the timeout at the 1:15 mark and worked the pick and roll before draining a clutch three, but it was too little too late.
 
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Casspi ( B+ ) -- the bench was short tonight, and the guy who did most of the dameg there was Omri. Began the game with a turnover off the carry, but buried a three to close the first quarter. Competed well enough in the second quarter to play through the entire thing, scored inside and out and on the break, and made an impact that Donte did not before half. Like JT made a mistake the end of the half, throwing a pass to Spencer on the break in the final seconds that the big guy had little chance to handle wihtout a turnover. There were less than 24 second to go at the time too, and Westphal had wanted the last shot. After returning in the third had a big quarter -- got out on the break repeatedly both as a passer and fiisher. Went inside and scrapped in the post and on the glass as well. Disappeared int eh 4th however, missing all of his shots, including a three at the 48 second mark that was just an inch or two from going in and putting real pressure on the Rockets.

Thomas ( C+ ) -- no real impact in shorter minutes tonight -- in fact got the feeling that wiht so many offensive weapons out Westphal may have intentionally limited the minutes of the defensive/rebounding specialists like Kenny and Udoka (who did not even play) for fear of not having enough offense. Grabbed his boards, had nobody of note to defend, saw his FT woes return, and wiht that hitch in his stroke, no wonder.

Rodriguez ( B ) -- got the PG minutes that Beno did not. Was solid with them, although maybe not as good as the numbers might indicate and we lost ground when he was in there. Did show something new though as he was actually being pesky trying to pick the ball up full court. Sergio isn't known for defense, but he was somethwat disruptive tonight. Padded his stats by hitting a meaningless hoop down 9 in the final 5 seconds.

Brockman ( INC ) -- to tell you the truth I did not notice his :18 second stint. Know when it must have happened -- right at the end of a quarter where Westphal substituted in a swath of guys for one play for defensive purposes.

Notes: our execution of the end of quarters and halves has been beyond shaky this year. Yes we're a young team, but some of the mistakes are jsut ridiculous, and half of the time it seems like Westphal has specifically told guys not to do exactly what they end up doing.
 
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The Sacramento Kings' frontcourt is not a starting one. I dont care how many points Spencer Hawes scored tonight, the guard penetration killed us again tonight. The Rockets lived under the basket and Westphal has way too much faith in Spencer.
 
The Sacramento Kings' frontcourt is not a starting one. I dont care how many points Spencer Hawes scored tonight, the guard penetration killed us again tonight. The Rockets lived under the basket and Westphal has way too much faith in Spencer.

With the current roster, there is nothing else to do, but have faith in Spencer.
 
The Sacramento Kings' frontcourt is not a starting one. I dont care how many points Spencer Hawes scored tonight, the guard penetration killed us again tonight. The Rockets lived under the basket and Westphal has way too much faith in Spencer.

Agreed on Hawes. Thompson is a force on offense, he just needs to learn to stop fouling so much and letting the other player get the and1. If you're going to foul, make sure the ball doesn't get a chance to get into the basket.
 
The Sacramento Kings' frontcourt is not a starting one. I dont care how many points Spencer Hawes scored tonight, the guard penetration killed us again tonight. The Rockets lived under the basket and Westphal has way too much faith in Spencer.


As I've mentioend ot other people with player fetishes, you have to get off your anti-Spencer kick when he has a good game or you lose all credibility in critiquing his bad ones.
 
Hawes had a much better game tonight.

I love how last year it was all about playing the kids and letting them learn through their mistakes. This year, just because we got Evans, it's all about the kids needing to be all-star starters???????? You guys need to give it some time...
 
Hawes had a much better game tonight.

I love how last year it was all about playing the kids and letting them learn through their mistakes. This year, just because we got Evans, it's all about the kids needing to be all-star starters???????? You guys need to give it some time...
Yes, no kidding!! It's not like anyone is expecting us to advance to the playoffs or anything...we're still going to lose 2 games for every 1 we win when it comes down to it probably. But like I've said in the past, take everything with a grain of salt this season because NEXT season will be that much better with another lottery pick, a nice chunk of free agent money and a year of experience under our kid's belt. This team is still VERY young, and when this season is over and our older expirings come off our roster like K9, etc...our average age will be like 23 or 24 or something like that, with a 20 yr old Evans, 21 yr old Greene and 21 yr old Hawes. Dont forget how young our core is...and we're STARTING a 20 yr old, and 2 21 yr olds right now.

Edit: AND we have 2 more 21 yr olds on our bench that are key contributors as well!
 
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Hawes had a very solid game for a change. He should probably have had 40 pts and 20 boards since he was matched up against midget center Chuck Hayes. I voted Beno who came up big again and for the most part kept Aaron Brooks under raps. Casspi was excellent off the bench after all the Kings scrubs were totally MIA in Dallas last night.
 
I think that we should start referring to Hawes around here as Hawes21. This is to remind us that his inconsistencies is probably age-related. many will say that this is making excuses. However, playing the paint in the NBA is for men, not tall boys. Your ID really should read 24 or 25 before you are let into the paint on a consistent basis. Hawes should be playing behind a more vet center. He is being asked to do more than what he is ready. We should all keep this in mind.
 
I think that we should start referring to Hawes around here as Hawes21. This is to remind us that his inconsistencies is probably age-related. many will say that this is making excuses. However, playing the paint in the NBA is for men, not tall boys. Your ID really should read 24 or 25 before you are let into the paint on a consistent basis. Hawes should be playing behind a more vet center. He is being asked to do more than what he is ready. We should all keep this in mind.

If you refer to him as Hawes21, I can guarantee within 3 posts you'll have people screaming about comparing him to Vlade in some manner. They'll either complain because "Hawes will never be Vlade Divac" or they'll whine that he's "soft" just like Vlade. It's pretty much a no-win situation, IMHO.

:)
 
Since everyone was saying that since martin went out evans played better they couldnt play together. Does this mean that Hawes and Evans cant play together? Trade Evans now ! :p

I think people are giving too much credit to Evans for the Kings play so far and not enough to the rest of the team (especially Beno, GASP) and the coaching staff.

If they continue to play like this they will be winning some games.
 
Agreed on Hawes. Thompson is a force on offense, he just needs to learn to stop fouling so much and letting the other player get the and1. If you're going to foul, make sure the ball doesn't get a chance to get into the basket.

Not entirely his fault in my opinion. I think Thompson gets screwed by the refs constantly. He seems to get called for the stupids touch and ghost fouls. Yeah, their are a few fouls here and there that he could've prevented, but for the most part I don't think he is any more physical and foul deserving than your average NBA forward...
 
Hawes had a much better game tonight.

I love how last year it was all about playing the kids and letting them learn through their mistakes. This year, just because we got Evans, it's all about the kids needing to be all-star starters???????? You guys need to give it some time...

Agree 100%. I am disappointed by Hawes play so far this year. However, he essentially lost his first season to injury, then played a second season under two poor coaches and drifted to the perimeter consistently. This year PW is teaching him how to play Center in the NBA. So he is 21, in his second real season of NBA basketball, the first being required to play with discipline and has shown flashes of great potential. I personally am going to give him time. It is way to early to write him off. Now, I would still be totally in favor of bringing in a veteran center to play some minutes in the middle and help mentor Hawes.
 
I loved how competetive the Kings played, but I hate how STUPID they played... The countless mistakes, the contested shots, and just sheer stupidity out of a timeout is absolutely pathetic. Yes, I know they're young, but for some things there's just no excuse
 
I loved how competetive the Kings played, but I hate how STUPID they played... The countless mistakes, the contested shots, and just sheer stupidity out of a timeout is absolutely pathetic. Yes, I know they're young, but for some things there's just no excuse

Lol, may stink to watch it, but every young team goes through it. I'll refer you back to VF21s "savoring the journey" post. Just repeat that as a mantra every time one of the young guys jack a contested shot, throw the ball to the middle of nowhere or drive recklessly into the lane and toss up a poor shot against 3 defenders in the final 2 minutes. You'll sleep better at night.
 
Since everyone was saying that since martin went out evans played better they couldnt play together. Does this mean that Hawes and Evans cant play together? Trade Evans now ! :p

I think people are giving too much credit to Evans for the Kings play so far and not enough to the rest of the team (especially Beno, GASP) and the coaching staff.

If they continue to play like this they will be winning some games.

yeah, beno has been playing really well. he's played well with evans and today he proved that he can play well without him. beno has averaged 17/5 for the last 5 games. if he puts up 17/5 for the rest of the season that will be amazing.

tyreke has played well but beno, thompson, casspi and occasionally nocioni have been the real difference makers(sorry hawes, maybe when martin gets back)... evans is averaging 35 mpg 18ppg/5apg... martin didnt play 35 mpg until his 3rd year and averaged 20ppg as the 2nd and sometimes 3rd option on offense. we didnt have a team that contribute the way this team is playing. we dont have any stars or really any players that would be starters on most nba teams. they have exceeded all of my expectations, except hawes who has had 2 good games all season both of which were without evans... the grizzlies game where martin went ape**** and todays game against the rockets, that evans missed. that isnt an attack on evans just what has happened so far.

its been a team effort for the most part this season since martin got injured. again....
 
Notice Hawes has a good game whenever Evans either struggles or is not in the game? Probably a coincidence but something I will keep watching.. Chemistry means a lot and I think if Evans is the future we need to build around him and get pieces to fit his play style.
 
The small dart-class guards continue to rip us to pieces. While the defense seems to be willing, it may not be physically capable of keeping them out of the paint.
 
The small dart-class guards continue to rip us to pieces. While the defense seems to be willing, it may not be physically capable of keeping them out of the paint.

thats what small, quick guards do... they get into the paint at will. there isnt much you can do about it. what teams actually stop them from getting into the paint? they dont always score but they get in with relative ease.
 
This is a good loss. We almost won without our #1 player. We have more talent than HOU, but we lost by experience. We will win these close games soon.
 
This is a good loss. We almost won without our #1 player. We have more talent than HOU, but we lost by experience. We will win these close games soon.

the rockets are missing their 2 best players, both of which are all-stars and they are also their 2 tallest players... in yao and mcgrady. we are missing martin.


oh you meant evans... hawes was playing so well that i for got that he wasnt there.
 
i finally got a chance to catch a game and tyreke is not playing :(

i love how fierce omri looks when he plays. another good draft and FA signing and we're ready to compete for the playoffs.
 
the rockets are missing their 2 best players, both of which are all-stars and they are also their 2 tallest players... in yao and mcgrady. we are missing martin.


oh you meant evans... hawes was playing so well that i for got that he wasnt there.

No Kmart, no Tyreke and no Garcia. But you knew that, right;)

TMac is just about done and Yao is questionable, I would not be surprised if Yao and TMac never play again for the Rockets. I think the Rockets you saw tonight is their team.

By the way AM27, are you really a Kings fan?

KB
 
No Kmart, no Tyreke and no Garcia. But you knew that, right;)

TMac is just about done and Yao is questionable, I would not be surprised if Yao and TMac never play again for the Rockets. I think the Rockets you saw tonight is their team.

By the way AM27, are you really a Kings fan?

KB

Quasi-agree. TMac is clearly no longer TMac from 2003. Yao will be back and amazing for at least 35 more games. But hard to say they are "missing a player" when he is out for the season. Yes, this means they might improve relative to us next year, but generally the "missing a player" argument applies more for someone who will be back and make a team more competitive the next time you meet.
 
The small dart-class guards continue to rip us to pieces. While the defense seems to be willing, it may not be physically capable of keeping them out of the paint.
What team can stop small dart-class guards? None. The Key is to have a shot blocker waiting for them once they get to the rim. If the Kings are going to attempt to enforce their defensive will upon opposing teams then they MUST acquire a shot blocker.
 
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