What's fun to watch is the argument going in with phx fans. How ITs stats show how efficient he is, how none of the ball sharing issues have to do with him, how his hero ball act is a gift not a curse and how his defensive issues are overated. I listened to the espn podcast today where the media guys (except for pelton) finally echoed the sentiments shared by many of us all last season.
Goran Dragic informed the Suns he will NOT resign this offseason.
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What's fun to watch is the argument going in with phx fans. How ITs stats show how efficient he is, how none of the ball sharing issues have to do with him, how his hero ball act is a gift not a curse and how his defensive issues are overated. I listened to the espn podcast today where the media guys (except for pelton) finally echoed the sentiments shared by many of us all last season.
CurseOfTheSalmons
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Whoever PHX wants less.
ParniValjak
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The thing is, as far back as 2 weeks ago, we had no freaking chance to keep Dragic if we traded for him. With the arrival of George Karl, things have changed rapidly and there is a very realistic chance that we could keep him if we got him.
Having said that, it really depends on what he wants from his new team. Does he want to be the #1 guy? If he does, then we are not really a fit for him as Cousins and Gay would be ahead of him there but one guarantee is that he would likely handle the ball a lot more than he does in PHX this season.
I think Cousins, Gay, Dragic and possibly McLemore are good core to build around. I would want to keep DC as a 6th man who plays significant minutes and that all of a sudden becomes a play off core in the West. I wouldn't be against the move depending what we give up for him but Dragic would be a great fit on this team as currently constructed.
Having said that, it really depends on what he wants from his new team. Does he want to be the #1 guy? If he does, then we are not really a fit for him as Cousins and Gay would be ahead of him there but one guarantee is that he would likely handle the ball a lot more than he does in PHX this season.
I think Cousins, Gay, Dragic and possibly McLemore are good core to build around. I would want to keep DC as a 6th man who plays significant minutes and that all of a sudden becomes a play off core in the West. I wouldn't be against the move depending what we give up for him but Dragic would be a great fit on this team as currently constructed.
Glenn
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
Sorry but I want a 100% chance he will resign. I'm serious. I want to see this team play with Karl as coach before I think we need someone else. Just as your opinion changed with the arrival of Karl, so has mine but in a different direction.
Send them a link to some of our IT threads from last year and save them some effort.
Ugggh. Or how about any random game thread? I wouldn't wish this mess on anyone. The IT debates got really ugly here in his last season. I think they can trade IT for something of value, but they might have already cost themselves Dragic. Though, to be honest, I think they would actually be better off without both of them. Eric Bledsoe is the real deal. They should stop screwing around and just put a SG next to him.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I think what is interesting is that the dynamics of the forum have changed a lot. People are tending to get along better. I will grant that the firing of Malone energized a lot of people and probably had as much or more of an impact.
I hope Karl can shape Rudy into a better player. Rudy is sucked into his ISO game way too much, but that is his game. I hope Karl can get Rudy to pass a lot more. I think if we let Rudy get in good position down low, he's automatic. Rudy hesitates on a lot of open 3s. I think that's a part of his game he's not too comfortable with.
I think if Rudy improves into a better player under Karl, I'd let Dragic be the 2nd option. I can see PnR with Demarcus!
I would give up Stauskas for Dragic. It lets us win now and become a contending team
Certain players hit their prime at different ages. He's only a few months older than Rudy, and I think everyone believes Rudy is a good player.
He's a ball dominant guard? You know he played off the ball right next to Bledsoe right? I don't believe he's that much of a ball dominant PG. He was more than willing to play SG. Put Damian Lillard or John Wall next to a PG and see how they like it. They wouldn't...
Doesn't typically average more than 5asts per game because he plays off the ball most of the time. He's a taller Isaiah Thomas? Really?
While I'm not sure how much he's an upgrade on defense, if any, he's a huge upgrade on offense. We need a real PG who can play with Cuz. He's not getting enough easy baskets. Look how well Lowry turned out...
Dragic is not an ISO player. Oh and how could I forget. Almost nobody except for Ben tries to cut and move around when Cuz is doubled team. Imagine all the damage Dragic could do
Collison is better for Rudy, not this team.
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Dragic and Collison as your PGs would be the Understudy Corps. Darren was Paul's understudy and Dragic was Nash's understudy.
Goran is pretty good at navigating the paint, which is important for a PG. It's a veteran skill. If you check out his SportsVU, you can see Dragic get into the paint and survive with the dribble. A lot, A LOT of PGs surrender their dribble inside the paint and get into trouble. Nash was great at keeping the dribble alive on the baseline. Dragic picked up a bit of this and it serves him well.
Don't know how well sharing the paint with Cousins would work for Dragic, but the whole paint-dribble skill is important to being a distributor.
Goran is pretty good at navigating the paint, which is important for a PG. It's a veteran skill. If you check out his SportsVU, you can see Dragic get into the paint and survive with the dribble. A lot, A LOT of PGs surrender their dribble inside the paint and get into trouble. Nash was great at keeping the dribble alive on the baseline. Dragic picked up a bit of this and it serves him well.
Don't know how well sharing the paint with Cousins would work for Dragic, but the whole paint-dribble skill is important to being a distributor.
9x1x6
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http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...gic-phoenix-suns-trust-broken-trade/23628145/
Watch the video, itʻs better if you hear it for yourself instead of the media cutting up quotes.
Watch the video, itʻs better if you hear it for yourself instead of the media cutting up quotes.
Watching the video you can tell he loved playing for Phoenix, but he obviously feels a little betrayed by the Suns. He said they made promise after promise to him and broke them all... now when he's telling them he's fed up with it and done with them, the Suns decide now is the time to take Dragic serious.
I said it before.. the Suns either commit to Dragic or they don't. I said this at the time of the Bledsoe extension and I said this the other week. They weren't fully committed to Dragic, but now their focus has shifted over to him AFTER the damage is already done.
I think he's ready to move on with his career. Hopefully he chooses Sac..
Boston and Rockets can offer them picks, but the Kings cannot. Stauskas might be the best prospect offered, but teams love draft picks.
Yes, Boston has an incredible number of picks that they can offer. In the extreme, they can offer 9 picks over the next seven years. Yowza!
9x1x6
Bench
Nik was pretty high on their draft board, maybe they see it in him still.
I see the Celts offering the Clippers 2015 1st rounder and a 2017 1st rounder from Memphis. I can't see why Dragic would want to stay in Boston though. Not going to be contenders for a few years and they don't even have a franchise player to build around yet. Even if they make Dragic the face of the future, I just can't see it. Even the Lakers would be more of an ideal location than the Celtics.
Question is, would the Suns prefer Stauskas and JT to those picks?
I checked out some of the Sun's fan forums, and a random fan suggested that they would trade Green to the Kings for Stauskas so that we could clear cap space.. I was so tempted to make an account and reply.
9x1x6
Bench
His max deal will be a ʻmiddle of the pack playerʻ money after next season though.
https://twitter.com/TheNBABulletin/status/568223839122927616
NBA Bulletin@TheNBABulletin
The Suns either want two 1st-round picks or a 1st rounder plus a "young player with potential" for Dragic. (Y!)
Everyone agrees they wonʻt get that.
ockingsfan
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If they are asking for BMac, I turn the page on this one. Not worth the risk.
When did Dragic become the second coming of Steve Nash?
Ty Lawson is under contract and younger and more assists. He would be a great pick and roll PG for DMC.
I would rather go after a sure thing in Lawson than a possible rental in Dragic
When did Dragic become the second coming of Steve Nash?
Ty Lawson is under contract and younger and more assists. He would be a great pick and roll PG for DMC.
I would rather go after a sure thing in Lawson than a possible rental in Dragic
9x1x6
Bench
I like Lawson better as well, just itʻs like getting and M3 or and M5.
I can't really see a more talented "young player with potential" than Stauskas.
Lakers-Julius Randle
Knicks-Tim Hardaway JR.
Celtics- Jared Sullinger
Heat- Hassan Whiteside
If we get assurances that Dragic stays, I'd give them Stauskas+JT+2019 1st round pick.... for Dragic and Plumlee.
OK, not to pick on you but this is just a convenient post to use....
Who the heck cares what anyone posting on another message board thinks regarding what a team would take in a proposed trade???
I see this frequently and some folks (not you in this post, just generalizing) seem to take it as some verification of what a team might be asking for or value of a player in trade. I don't get it. You could ask 20 posters here about trade value of someone and you would get 20 different answers. Unless it is something coming from a team, what difference does it make???
Sorry, mini-rant over.
I think all fans like to over value/under value players. It's like all the articles about teams wanting to trade for Boogie. You know they're not real and it's ridiculous, but the fact that there are still a ton of people out there who really believes it, is mind blowing. You just want to tell them they're idiots, but you don't.. I don't think anyone cares, but it's amusing the trades other fans from teams come up withOK, not to pick on you but this is just a convenient post to use....
Who the heck cares what anyone posting on another message board thinks regarding what a team would take in a proposed trade???
I see this frequently and some folks (not you in this post, just generalizing) seem to take it as some verification of what a team might be asking for or value of a player in trade. I don't get it. You could ask 20 posters here about trade value of someone and you would get 20 different answers. Unless it is something coming from a team, what difference does it make???
Sorry, mini-rant over.
upinsmoke
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While I agree Boston does have the best assets but they also just drafted a pg.
Big Cuz 15
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they drinking the same kool aid as gerbil.
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