Giannis SHOULD cost Paolo/Jalen/Harper/Castle, etc. It's god damn Giannis for goodness sake
[News] Giannis “discussing future” with Bucks
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Giannis SHOULD cost Paolo/Jalen/Harper/Castle, etc. It's god damn Giannis for goodness sake
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Spurs are not willing to include Castle or Harper allegedly. Good, don’t need him on the effin Spurs. Absolutely laughable they won’t trade Castle though. His ceiling is all star not top 5 player
It's truly idiotic they can easily pair one of the most formidable duos in NBA history in Giannis/Wemby while still having a damn good core around them... and they won't do it because "reasons"
This is making even more of a Spurs hater than I already was.
It's like Ainge has moved on down to San Antonio
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
It’s the first time I’ve seen a team cynically boost a guy’s stats to get him the ROY and then subsequently totally believe the hype that they created themselves since the summer of RekeROY. Kid is shooting 25% from three this year. What are we even doing?
Padrino
All-Star
Eh, while I'm as nervy as anybody about the longevity of Wemby's career, I don't think the Spurs need to be in a big rush. Giannis is 31, is frequently injured, and comes with, what, maybe a three-year title window? When you're in the West and the kaiju we call the Thunder hovers over everything? If I'm the Spurs, I might be inclined to wait and see if OKC ends up a little more beatable in a few years once their contract situation comes to a head and they've had to drop one or more of their current core.
Houston, on the other hand, traded for Kevin Durant in the off-season, which (perhaps unnecessarily) sped up their timeline. I'd probably be willing to part with Sengun if there was the possibility of a Giannis deal on the table.
I suppose, but the Thunder aren't going anywhere either for 5+ years. Not like the SGA/Chet/Jalen core is going anywhere in terms of age/production and even when they have to clean out the Dort/Hartenstein/Wallace tier of player from their roster, they have their warchest to restock cheaply and replace those guys.
Fox/Giannis/Wemby makes you a title favorite for 5+ years, even over the juggernaut OKC Thunder. Even the best case scenario for Harper/Castle does not equal who Giannis is right now as a player or over the next 3-5 years. Idk, I get wanting to wait, but I also think teams should jump at the chance to go win a title around generational talent when they get the chance.
Honestly doing the deal for Fox makes sense in everything except the slap the guy in the face mold. I am sure Castle may never reach Fox's level - even when I wanted Castle here as the centerpiece of that trade. But Castle also isn't going to cost 50m for at least 7 years.
I really don't know how long Giannis has at the top level. The last time I posted that he left the game later that night.
I really don't know how long Giannis has at the top level. The last time I posted that he left the game later that night.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
This better be them just making sure they aren't forced to give up both otherwise lol.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
And it's not like he's 36 years old. He's still technically in a players usual prime. Like you said a team like the Spurs could literally be favorites to win a title for the next 4-5 seasons if he stays healthy. Fox/Wemby/Giannis would be a freaking nightmare.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Spurs are penciling in a bunch of championships with their new “Duncan, Ginobli and Parker”. No guarantee of longevity
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
“Between the insane guy who everyone in the league hates, the guy Steve Kerr hates and refuses to play, and the disappointing point guard prospect who alienated his teammates by declaring himself the leader of a team with Steph and Dray and Butler on it, we have an intriguing package!”
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I wonder what that deal looks like. Rozier, Herro, Jaku, Jovic, Ware 2 firsts (that’s all they can trade) 5 seconds and some swaps for Giannis and Portis?
Rollins
Herro
Jovic
Ware
Turner.
They could flip Jaku for a first maybe and they could get a first for Turner
It’s not the worst deal. Not sure this makes the Heat a finals team though
Rollins
Herro
Jovic
Ware
Turner.
They could flip Jaku for a first maybe and they could get a first for Turner
It’s not the worst deal. Not sure this makes the Heat a finals team though
At this point, I don't care, just not SA.
I suspect using Rozier as a salary piece might be a wee bit tricky given the, erm, circumstances. I can't find any specifics in the CBA that deal with it, but I can't imagine the league would allow him to be traded right now.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
What’s even worse is on history alone if guys Wemby size they should be going all in right now how do you know he’ll be healthy in 3-4 years. And it’s not even going all in when you’re keeping Harper and Fox
It came out couple days ago that the league hasn’t told them they can’t so they’re going forward as if they could. As an expiring contract they should be allowed too and the nba knew about the gambling before Miami traded for rozier so they owe them
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
There have been different reports on this with no clarity. One other suggestion is they should get their pick back since the league was investigating Rozier and the Heat were not told so.
But it has the chance to be so funny if they move the guy on a similar deal. Then we can ship them Zach and Vivek could watch his dream team from afar.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Why take calls on him now when you could take calls on the summer when his value is tanked and you’ve lost in the first round great strategy here
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Yeah this was always my thing with the “just wait to trade Fox until the summer argument”. If everyone and their mom knows that Fox is trying to get traded, then it really serves no one to just pretend that you’re going to have a massive Pail George to the Clippers style return come out of nowhere.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
So let’s say the bucks trade for Lavine and they get knocked out in the second round, does he ask out then? This has to be a bit exhausting for Bucks fans.
Padrino
All-Star
I was a huge proponent of waiting for the summer to trade Fox. No, a godfather offer is highly unlikely to come along if everyone knows that a player is trying to get traded. But waiting for the off-season does create greater opportunity for competition in the market. The play-in format deincentivizes trade deadline action, as a greater share of the league sees itself as competitive. As a result, there are fewer trade partners until the off-season (and after the draft), when more franchises know where they stand within their respective conferences.
Worse still, we know how these particular dice ended up rolling. The Spurs jumped to the second pick and snagged Dylan Harper. Had the Kings waited, San Antonio would have either a) been far less motivated to trade for Fox, thus bringing other potential trade partners to the table, or b) they may have been more willing to part with Stephon Castle, especially with increased competition from other potential suitors.
Had they waited, it's highly unlikely the Kings would have ended up with a worse package than they ultimately settled for, when San Antonio held all the leverage because the Kings elected to exert no control over their own asset, allowing Fox to dictate the terms of his exit. But Fox is not a 1A. He's not Giannis. You don't trade him to his preferred destination at the trade deadline just because. You have a bit of self-respect and wait to see how the market opens up in the off-season, as team needs shift around the league.
Section 101
All-Star
The worst part was Vivek knew Monte wasn't going to be back. Summer time trade definately would not have involved Lavine with Perry.
What if Fox was still adamant San Antonio only and Spurs just laughed at us.
Reality is Fox did it to us, we were pretty much screwed. Giannis seems at least willing to entertain more than one suitor.
Now, whose fault is it we didn't entertain other offers before it got to that or just pull the trigger? I don't know. Did Vivek say no you can't trade Fox he's my baby? Or was Fox and the Ox all Monte's vision?
All I do know is San Antonio got the best of us not once but twice last year (HB/pick swap) and then got the #2 pick in the draft and look to be the only team that OKC might view as more than a gnat on their way to their domination. It's hard to imagine anything worse. But being a fan of this franchise I am also aware worse is always possible
Reality is Fox did it to us, we were pretty much screwed. Giannis seems at least willing to entertain more than one suitor.
Now, whose fault is it we didn't entertain other offers before it got to that or just pull the trigger? I don't know. Did Vivek say no you can't trade Fox he's my baby? Or was Fox and the Ox all Monte's vision?
All I do know is San Antonio got the best of us not once but twice last year (HB/pick swap) and then got the #2 pick in the draft and look to be the only team that OKC might view as more than a gnat on their way to their domination. It's hard to imagine anything worse. But being a fan of this franchise I am also aware worse is always possible
Padrino
All-Star
What if Fox was still adamant San Antonio only and Spurs just laughed at us.
Reality is Fox did it to us, we were pretty much screwed. Giannis seems at least willing to entertain more than one suitor.
Now, whose fault is it we didn't entertain other offers before it got to that or just pull the trigger? I don't know. Did Vivek say no you can't trade Fox he's my baby? Or was Fox and the Ox all Monte's vision?
All I do know is San Antonio got the best of us not once but twice last year (HB/pick swap) and then got the #2 pick in the draft and look to be the only team that OKC might view as more than a gnat on their way to their domination. It's hard to imagine anything worse. But being a fan of this franchise I am also aware worse is always possible
San Antonio has to want Fox in order for Fox's adamance to matter. If they draft Harper before Fox is put on the table in a trade, there is no guarantee the Spurs would have even wanted Fox. My bargaining power potentially increases as new variables enter the fray, so if I don't like my options at the deadline, I exercise patience.
Even if everything remains equal, are the Kings getting a worse offer than Zach effing LaVine and a late first-rounder if they wait until the summer? I know I'm rolling those dice ten times out of ten if the alternative is trading for LaVine at the deadline and playing for last-ditch relevance at the end of a miserable season.
They really seemed to just rejoice in their good fortune. The real question was did we have the balls to shop him and send him elsewhere and see if there was a taker. Yes I agree what we got back sucked but there is no guarantee there was any more market.
I was fine with the timing of Fox deadline deal, but I also assumed that it was Monte still running the ship. As we know now, the Perry take-over was probably in motion for most of last year and it's entirely completely stupid to let a lame-duck GM pilot that trade. If Perry was always going to be the guy, you let HIM make the trade in the off-season. You don't let a GM you're firing in 2 months trade one of the best assets and players to ever come through Sacramento.
Which is why it's pretty obvious that Vivek was the one who demanded LaVine in the deal. Just a nightmare.