Getting Rudy Going Is Key To Our Success

#61
There seems to be a disconnect between the conclusions drawn and what the stats in the OP are actually saying. The conclusion here (correct me if I’m wrong) seems to be that more effort needs to be made on behalf of the team in order to get Rudy his points. And yes, while its true that the Kings are generally more successful when Rudy reaches that 20 ppg threshold, that isn’t completely indicative of whether the Kings are consciously making an effort to get him his touches or not. Rudy not getting 20 points in a particular game could be that he’s not getting his touches, or it could be that he’s not necessarily making the best use of them. It’s a mistake to assume that getting Rudy above the 20ppg threshold, come hell or high water, is congruous to better offense.

If you want to break down our offense, a better stat to use would be Usage% as it relates to offensive rating since that’s the percentage of possessions we’re pumping into an individual player on any given night. Points per game? Thats usually up to the Basketball Gods to decide whether someone is playing well or not on a particular night.

So I went ahead and crunched the stats. Our wins look like this:

Offensive Rating: 115.4
Defensive Rating: 101.7

Cousins’ Usage: 28.5
Gay’s Usage: 27.3
Thomas’ Usage: 24.0

Our losses look like this:

Offensive Rating: 104.7
Defensive Rating: 116.5 (!!!)


Cousins’ Usage: 34.3
Gay’s Usage: 22.5
Thomas’ Usage: 24.3

The stats seem to say that Isaiah is mostly the same in both wins and losses (0.3% difference), but the difference in Cousins and Gay is really stark. In losses, Cousins uses significantly more possessions (5.9% more) and Gay uses significantly less possessions (5.2% less) than in wins.

Its really tempting to conclude that for the Kings to have a better offense, we need less Cousins and more Gay, but I’m not going that far. Mostly because I can see as clearly as day the ridiculous chasm between our defense in wins compared to our defense in losses (We allow *15 more points per 100 possesions* in losses than we do in wins). That’s obviously the #1 factor contributing to our wins and losses. Especially considering that bad defense can drag down an offense, its obvious that our defense is holding us back. Not only does bad defense leave less opportunity to get out in transition, bad defense is also demoralizing, and a demoralized team is less likely to execute good offense. Hence we see Cousins’ usage rate explode in losses because of the temptation to go to our #1 option and completely stagnate.

That conclusion doesn’t also take into account that Gay is much worse in losses as compared to wins, meaning that the usage rate is curbed because Gay isn’t necessarily doing anything worthwhile with those possessions anyways. Cousins is the magnet (as he should be), so when the team is struggling he puts it upon himself to try and produce, which isn’t exactly ideal for an efficient offense.

Overall, this entire exercise is ridiculous. There’s no glaring issues with our offense outside of execution issues in crunch time and against elite defenses, which has more to do with experience considering the team was put together 20 games ago and is still fairly young. Anybody looking to offense as something that’s holding the team back is looking in the wrong place. Since acquiring Gay, our offensive rating is at 109.49, which if it holds up is good for *8th in the NBA*. Our defensive rating since then is 109.85, which would be good for *28th in the NBA*.

So, sorry OP, but that’s a swing and a miss.
 
#62
There seems to be a disconnect between the conclusions drawn and what the stats in the OP are actually saying. The conclusion here (correct me if I’m wrong) seems to be that more effort needs to be made on behalf of the team in order to get Rudy his points. And yes, while its true that the Kings are generally more successful when Rudy reaches that 20 ppg threshold, that isn’t completely indicative of whether the Kings are consciously making an effort to get him his touches or not. Rudy not getting 20 points in a particular game could be that he’s not getting his touches, or it could be that he’s not necessarily making the best use of them. It’s a mistake to assume that getting Rudy above the 20ppg threshold, come hell or high water, is congruous to better offense.

If you want to break down our offense, a better stat to use would be Usage% as it relates to offensive rating since that’s the percentage of possessions we’re pumping into an individual player on any given night. Points per game? Thats usually up to the Basketball Gods to decide whether someone is playing well or not on a particular night.

So I went ahead and crunched the stats. Our wins look like this:

Offensive Rating: 115.4
Defensive Rating: 101.7

Cousins’ Usage: 28.5
Gay’s Usage: 27.3
Thomas’ Usage: 24.0

Our losses look like this:

Offensive Rating: 104.7
Defensive Rating: 116.5 (!!!)


Cousins’ Usage: 34.3
Gay’s Usage: 22.5
Thomas’ Usage: 24.3

The stats seem to say that Isaiah is mostly the same in both wins and losses (0.3% difference), but the difference in Cousins and Gay is really stark. In losses, Cousins uses significantly more possessions (5.9% more) and Gay uses significantly less possessions (5.2% less) than in wins.

Its really tempting to conclude that for the Kings to have a better offense, we need less Cousins and more Gay, but I’m not going that far. Mostly because I can see as clearly as day the ridiculous chasm between our defense in wins compared to our defense in losses (We allow *15 more points per 100 possesions* in losses than we do in wins). That’s obviously the #1 factor contributing to our wins and losses. Especially considering that bad defense can drag down an offense, its obvious that our defense is holding us back. Not only does bad defense leave less opportunity to get out in transition, bad defense is also demoralizing, and a demoralized team is less likely to execute good offense. Hence we see Cousins’ usage rate explode in losses because of the temptation to go to our #1 option and completely stagnate.

That conclusion doesn’t also take into account that Gay is much worse in losses as compared to wins, meaning that the usage rate is curbed because Gay isn’t necessarily doing anything worthwhile with those possessions anyways. Cousins is the magnet (as he should be), so when the team is struggling he puts it upon himself to try and produce, which isn’t exactly ideal for an efficient offense.

Overall, this entire exercise is ridiculous. There’s no glaring issues with our offense outside of execution issues in crunch time and against elite defenses, which has more to do with experience considering the team was put together 20 games ago and is still fairly young. Anybody looking to offense as something that’s holding the team back is looking in the wrong place. Since acquiring Gay, our offensive rating is at 109.49, which if it holds up is good for *8th in the NBA*. Our defensive rating since then is 109.85, which would be good for *28th in the NBA*.

So, sorry OP, but that’s a swing and a miss.
Nice post. This is what I was getting at. We are obviously going to be a better team when Rudy is on. And with us, he has been scoring 20 on a limited amount of shots, which really is conducive to winning for one of our highest usage players. However, there are a million things that have to happen to win a basketball game. Scoring is just one of them. As you so clearly pointed out, our defense is ridiculously bad in losses. Other factors we could consider include what the role guys did in wins as compared to losses. What is the difference in Turnovers in wins and losses? Assists? Rebounding?

Of course, if he keeps want to be LeBron, like he was last night, then screw everything else and get Rudy the ball :p
 
#63
This forum is a joke, have only been part of it for less than a week and I'm already hating it.
Cool, then maybe stop consistently waking up every morning, firing up the computer, connecting to the internet, opening your browser, logging in to kf.com, reading the posts then furiously pounding away your vitriol on a keyboard...
Do you have a court ordered obligation to needlessly complicate your life like this?
There's a lot more to winning than who score more points!!!
As diehard fans of basketball, I think we're aware there's more to the game but technically speaking, no there's not much more to winning than scoring points. There's scoring more points vs making the other team not score points, two sides of the same coin. You see, the object of the game is to put that rubber ball through your hoop more times than the dudes with the other colored shirts.
As of right now the Kings are a direct reflection of the people on here. I like the Kings but no one on their team is my favorite player but since i live in Sacramento I support them.
I'm certain you'll find me your favorite now =)
No one on here has the solution or is in the position to say who belongs and who doesn't... There's only one team, either you support the team and acknowledge the area they need to improve on while on here or just do us all a favor and break your keyboard.!!
Maybe you don't understand what this forum is for. Like I said, there's no need for you to keep logging in every day, I fear it may be bad for your health.
Now.. There's is no doubt we are a better team when all of our 3 main guys are playing good but to say we are better team when Gay scores 20 points or more couldn't be any further from the truth(Just ask Kobe).
When Rudy Gay scores more, one of our three main guys IS playing well (not "good" as you so eloquently put it.) I think Rudy's 41 point performance in a blow out which followed a terrible performance in a loss proves the OP correct. (Not to mention all the tangible, mathematical evidence he provided.)
 
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#64
As much as It turned into one of my favorite players last year, it ashames me saying that he is part of the problem. I would say we could get away with his scoring and playmaking, since he can be unselfish without the ball and isn't forced to create his own shot. But his height and defense is such an contrast from the rest of the starting line up. The league is filling with more and more bigger dynamic guards, and with our current stalemate at SG we may need to pump up isaiahs ppg and ship him with such high value, he'd net a great return.


(also considering Gay's reassurgence.. if that continues)
 
#65
Hard to put much stock in analysis like this, it leads to a chicken or an egg situation. Are we a better team because Gay is scoring 20, or is Gay scoring 20 because we as a team are playing better. Similar to the football stat with a team rushes 20+... the usage stats provide a little more insight into how team might be playing defense (less double-teaming of Cousins, increased usage rate), however, even that analysis is shaky at best.