Future of the arena area

[Glenn]

Found a nice little map with the ESC moved west: http://www.cityofsacramento.org/arena/images/ESC-IntermodalPhasing4.jpg

This is great. Can I go all helpless on ya'll and get a translation of the color coding. It's probably somewhere on that website but .... please!!!! I THINK I know what it all means but want to be sure. Is the Plaza going to be under one roof? What's across from the projected (I presume) tracks where it says Platform? What are those buildings? How close is this to Raley's Field?

I have actually picked up people at the depot and been at the train museum but must say I am largely ignorant of downtown especially anything near the river or Old Sacramento. By the way, how close is Old Sac and the train museum and where are they? It seems that over the decades or maybe within a decade a lot of interconnecting pathways/or whatever could be made to make travel between all these things easier (if necessary). If the light rail already will do that, never mind. I realize they are all relatively close but are they close enough so a person could park their car and walk to see them all?

I'll get out Google Earth to try to make sense of it but there is no guaranteeing I'll really get it. BTW, in all my bragging about St. Paul's complex which consisted of far more touristy and interesting things like several museums, hotels, and the like, this is really getting there. And, St. Paul doesn't have a train museum so this is much closer to matching that then I thought. Now that there is a map and not just a picture of the Orlando arena with Sacramento printed across the front, it is all a lot more exciting.
I can see that over time, if any convention center, music circus like thing, museum, theater, etc. needs upgrading, they will want to be nearby as all entertainment-like facilities will feed people to each other and the easier that is accomplished, the better.

Wow! When you think of the income this could bring Sacramento, how can you be against it? I realize there still is a very small town mentality, but let those folks just stay away and benefit from the money inflow to the area. And, for those who are Kings fans, it will make acquiring free agents easier. If it eventually attracts more industry to the area, that benefits the Kings also. Just getting selfish. Industries want their employees to live in a community that is more interesting than Sacramento and may also want luxury suites.

 

[Section 101]

This is great. Can I go all helpless on ya'll and get a translation of the color coding. It's probably somewhere on that website but .... please!!!! I THINK I know what it all means but want to be sure. Is the Plaza going to be under one roof? What's across from the projected (I presume) tracks where it says Platform? What are those buildings? How close is this to Raley's Field?

I have actually picked up people at the depot and been at the train museum but must say I am largely ignorant of downtown especially anything near the river or Old Sacramento. By the way, how close is Old Sac and the train museum and where are they? It seems that over the decades or maybe within a decade a lot of interconnecting pathways/or whatever could be made to make travel between all these things easier (if necessary). If the light rail already will do that, never mind. I realize they are all relatively close but are they close enough so a person could park their car and walk to see them all?

I'll get out Google Earth to try to make sense of it but there is no guaranteeing I'll really get it. BTW, in all my bragging about St. Paul's complex which consisted of far more touristy and interesting things like several museums, hotels, and the like, this is really getting there. And, St. Paul doesn't have a train museum so this is much closer to matching that then I thought. Now that there is a map and not just a picture of the Orlando arena with Sacramento printed across the front, it is all a lot more exciting.
I can see that over time, if any convention center, music circus like thing, museum, theater, etc. needs upgrading, they will want to be nearby as all entertainment-like facilities will feed people to each other and the easier that is accomplished, the better.

Wow! When you think of the income this could bring Sacramento, how can you be against it? I realize there still is a very small town mentality, but let those folks just stay away and benefit from the money inflow to the area. And, for those who are Kings fans, it will make acquiring free agents easier. If it eventually attracts more industry to the area, that benefits the Kings also. Just getting selfish. Industries want their employees to live in a community that is more interesting than Sacramento and may also want luxury suites.

Raley field is across the river and about 6-7 blocks away.

 

[Section 101]

You will find this interesting too. Raley field is across tower bridge from old sac.

The Sacramento City Council is on board with the push to return streetcars to the region.

In a significant step, council members unanimously voted Tuesday night to accept a study laying out a "starter" route that would connect Sacramento with West Sacramento across Tower Bridge.

The study calls for a network of streetcars that would traverse Sacramento's central grid and could ultimately extend into the River District, East Sacramento, Cal Expo and Oak Park.

Streetcars are meant to complement Regional Transit's light rail and buses, attracting riders for short trips for work, shopping or pleasure. The routes are also designed to encourage transit-friendly infill development.

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/the_swarm/2012/02/sacramento-council-gets-on-boa.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Glenn]

I see Old Sac and the train museum are within a few blocks which is walking range. I guess you run real fast across the highways.

Is that a "waste management" facility just to the north? If so, how unfortunate.

Street cars seem ideal to me. It seems like downtown Sac is getting cramped with cars and now is the time to make a partial switch to street cars. The note above explains it well.

This all may be enough to get me to come downtown and I don't walk so hot.

 

[JB_kings]

The blue lines are light rail. Most of it exist today except for the detour to the new SITF (Sacramento Intermodal Terminal Facility). The SITF is the darker green color. But also includes the depot building. The REA building to the right of the depot is office/retail mixed.

Light green I'm guessing is new retail space around the SITF.

Purple is tunnels under the rails and platform.

I agree it looks like there might be some kind of cover over part of the plaza.

 

[Glenn]

The blue lines are light rail. Most of it exist today except for the detour to the new SITF (Sacramento Intermodal Terminal Facility). The SITF is the darker green color. But also includes the depot building. The REA building to the right of the depot is office/retail mixed.

Light green I'm guessing is new retail space around the SITF.

Purple is tunnels under the rails and platform.

I agree it looks like there might be some kind of cover over part of the plaza.

The purple looks like walkways but I'm wondering where they will walk to on the other side of the platform. Perhaps this is where future private development will be. It certainly makes sense to be ready for that. How about moving walkways in enclosed areas? It just requires a cover to keep out the hideous ( ) weather of Sacramento. Can't be a big deal to do and as our population is aging, let's not assume the area will be surrounded by bars and night spots for the young. I'll grant you that the young are the ones who may be spending the most money but they also may want to bring along older relatives to show it off. Make this something intersting and useable by all ages. Think conventions.

This is all not necessary but anything that makes this unique is good. It will stand out in a way that makes it attractive to people all over the country thus attracting conventions and as a side effect, boosting our sense of pride.

The street car thing is brilliant but maybe that's just me. Street cars were once common and now would seem unique. Everyone knows the very limited use of streetcars in San Francisco. It fits with the train history of the area.

 

[NoBonus]

What are the "Platforms"?

 

[NoBonus]

And if you are looking for this on google maps, or whatever, the 5th and 6th street bridges will be new and connect Richards Blvd with H Street.

 

[sauce-26]

So it looks like they will tear down the amtrak station. Do I understand that right?

 

[JB_kings]

The purple looks like walkways but I'm wondering where they will walk to on the other side of the platform. Perhaps this is where future private development will be. It certainly makes sense to be ready for that. How about moving walkways in enclosed areas? It just requires a cover to keep out the hideous ( ) weather of Sacramento. Can't be a big deal to do and as our population is aging, let's not assume the area will be surrounded by bars and night spots for the young. I'll grant you that the young are the ones who may be spending the most money but they also may want to bring along older relatives to show it off. Make this something intersting and useable by all ages. Think conventions.

This is all not necessary but anything that makes this unique is good. It will stand out in a way that makes it attractive to people all over the country thus attracting conventions and as a side effect, boosting our sense of pride.

The street car thing is brilliant but maybe that's just me. Street cars were once common and now would seem unique. Everyone knows the very limited use of streetcars in San Francisco. It fits with the train history of the area.

They are tunnels. They were just constructed. If you go on Google Maps and disable the 45 degree view, you can see them clearly. They go under the station platforms and pop up there. It also continues on to the side with the old buildings. There is the main one in the middle, one at the far west end of the platforms for baggage, etc. And one further west under the on ramp that is an access tunnel under the rails.

 

[Glenn]

They are tunnels. They were just constructed. If you go on Google Maps and disable the 45 degree view, you can see them clearly. They go under the station platforms and pop up there. It also continues on to the side with the old buildings. There is the main one in the middle, one at the far west end of the platforms for baggage, etc. And one further west under the on ramp that is an access tunnel under the rails.

Makes the moving walkways idea a lot better.

It'll take awhile to get oriented on the Google map as there is a lot of junk laying around.

 

[kennadog]

No the old depot will me restored and used for other purposes. Its actually a cool historic building. You can actually see the State Railroad Museum (considered one of the two best in the world), just across the highway (I-5) from the arena. Should be easy to create a walkway area under the freeway to connect to Old Sacramento and there's a multi-level parking lot right near the RR Museum.

I think the dark green "intermodal" building will include the new RR depot. The "platforms" they are building right now in conjunction with moving the train tracks, which Southern Pacific wants for it's freight trains now. Until the new depot area is built, people will have a somewhat long walkway to and from the new passenger train platforms to the old depot building.

The new courthouse building should be right near the arena. Maybe to the east between the new 5th and 6th streets? They've built one or both of the 5th and 6th street bridges to finally connect the rail yards site with downtown Sacramento.

Oh, and there is a wastewater treatment plant to the north of the site. I've driven by there mucho times and I've never smelled anything bad in the air. But the freeway isn't close to the actual ponds. It is on the very north side of the rail yards, where the arena is on the very south side of the railyards site. Across from it on the river is a really cool-looking water-pumping station. You can walk out to the middle of the river, just about, and walk around on a platform. Pics...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/song113/3175752857/in/photostream/
http://www.bbinfrastructureinc.com/images/sacramento.jpg

One of the old shop buildings, the Railroad Museum would like to turn into a museum of railroad technology. That would be cool. (I love trains. ) The railyards was the biggest rail shops yard west of the Mississppi. Of the "Big Four," two of their homes are still preserved and aren't far from the rail yards, really. The Leland Stanford Home is a restored historic site (on the list to be closed to the public).

http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/489/images/Stanford_Mansion_Sacramento_California.jpg

Of course, the Crocker home and the Crocker's art collection became the Crocker Art Museum. The first art museum west of the Mississippi.

http://www.terminartors.com/files/museums/1/4/5/145/Crocker_Art_Museum-Sacramento_CA-USA.normal.jpg

Okay...that's more than anyone wanted to ever know. I can get carried away, by some of the cool things there are in Sacramento and I love history and historic sites and buildings.

Feel free to ignore my rambings.

 

[kennadog]

Makes the moving walkways idea a lot better.

It'll take awhile to get oriented on the Google map as there is a lot of junk laying around.

You can turn Google maps. If you put downtown at the bottom of the map, then that approximates the orientation of the map you linked to above of the arena area.

 

[Tetsujin]

No the old depot will me restored and used for other purposes. Its actually a cool historic building. You can actually see the State Railroad Museum (considered one of the two best in the world), just across the highway (I-5) from the arena. Should be easy to create a walkway area under the freeway to connect to Old Sacramento and there's a multi-level parking lot right near the RR Museum.

I think the dark green "intermodal" building will include the new RR depot. The "platforms" they are building right now in conjunction with moving the train tracks, which Southern Pacific wants for it's freight trains now. Until the new depot area is built, people will have a somewhat long walkway to and from the new passenger train platforms to the old depot building.

The new courthouse building should be right near the arena. Maybe to the east between the new 5th and 6th streets? They've built one or both of the 5th and 6th street bridges to finally connect the rail yards site with downtown Sacramento.

Oh, and there is a wastewater treatment plant to the north of the site. I've driven by there mucho times and I've never smelled anything bad in the air. But the freeway isn't close to the actual ponds. It is on the very north side of the rail yards, where the arena is on the very south side of the railyards site. Across from it on the river is a really cool-looking water-pumping station. You can walk out to the middle of the river, just about, and walk around on a platform. Pics...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/song113/3175752857/in/photostream/
http://www.bbinfrastructureinc.com/images/sacramento.jpg

One of the old shop buildings, the Railroad Museum would like to turn into a museum of railroad technology. That would be cool. (I love trains. ) The railyards was the biggest rail shops yard west of the Mississppi. Of the "Big Four," two of their homes are still preserved and aren't far from the rail yards, really. The Leland Stanford Home is a restored historic site (on the list to be closed to the public).

http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/489/images/Stanford_Mansion_Sacramento_California.jpg

Of course, the Crocker home and the Crocker's art collection became the Crocker Art Museum. The first art museum west of the Mississippi.

http://www.terminartors.com/files/museums/1/4/5/145/Crocker_Art_Museum-Sacramento_CA-USA.normal.jpg

Okay...that's more than anyone wanted to ever know. I can get carried away, by some of the cool things there are in Sacramento and I love history and historic sites and buildings.

Feel free to ignore my rambings.

Also coming soon right across the freeway on Jibboom Street: the New Sacramento Powerhouse Science Center to replace the crappy old Discovery Museum.

http://www.powerhousesciencecenter.org/

Things are starting to come together. 21st Century, here we finally come!

 

[kennadog]

Also coming soon right across the freeway on Jibboom Street: the New Sacramento Powerhouse Science Center to replace the crappy old Discovery Museum.

http://www.powerhousesciencecenter.org/

Things are starting to come together. 21st Century, here we finally come!

Wow that's really cool! Another place to take the grand kids pretty soon (2014). I see they're converting that old PG&E building, along the river side of I-5, that has been vacant for so many years. I always thought it was a neat building and somebody should use it.