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[shaka zulu]

You should go ask Rick Adelman if he'll marry you, seriously. Your a homer to the n-th degree.

Cool, but you and everyone else we are Fans of the rick adelman era of Basketball.

 

[thesanityannex]

The fact that anyone with half a brain knows you could substitute the word "Adelman" for Sac in this sentence^ does little to validate your second point.

I believe the fans have just as much to do with the rehab process here as the coach. Certain players need to feel a lot of love coming from the fans, that feeling of being appreciated and wanted *cough* Artest *cough* Webber *cough*, and that is what Sac fans provide.

 

[Padrino]

this is ridiculous. what's with all the extremism? in a league like the nba, its clear that people at either extreme are usually wrong, and those somewhere in the middle are usually right. people who support or lambast an individual without fully appreciating both sides to the argument are doing a disservice both to themselves and to the individual in question. take adelman for instance. i was and still am an adelman supporter, but i have never claimed that he's the second coming of red auerbach. he has many faults, like most modern nba coaches do, but he's a career-700+ game winner, and that kind of protracted success doesn't come along very often. his faults are no more of a detriment to a team then, say, the risk that comes with the inexperience of a coach like john whisenant or mario elie. the only difference is that you know what you have with adelman, and what you had when you let him go.

 

[KP]

I believe the fans have just as much to do with the rehab process here as the coach. Certain players need to feel a lot of love coming from the fans, that feeling of being appreciated and wanted *cough* Artest *cough* Webber *cough*, and that is what Sac fans provide.

The love helps no doubt, but you have to play well(even here) to get the love. Adelman let his players do that, by letting them play without them having to look over their shoulder he got the most out of them. Whatever a lot of people got what they wanted No Webber, and no Adelman, let's see how they like the results. I mean many of those same people seemed happy with being in 14th place as long as Webber was gone. The new coach will have to screw up royally to lose the support of those "Homers" .

 

[shaka zulu]

I believe the fans have just as much to do with the rehab process here as the coach. Certain players need to feel a lot of love coming from the fans, that feeling of being appreciated and wanted *cough* Artest *cough* Webber *cough*, and that is what Sac fans provide.

The coach provided the excitement for us fans, rick adelman was the guy that put the product out on the floor for us to cheer and get excited about.

 

[thesanityannex]

this is ridiculous. what's with all the extremism? in a league like the nba, its clear that people at either extreme are usually wrong, and those somewhere in the middle are usually right. people who support or lambast an individual without fully appreciating both sides to the argument are doing a disservice both to themselves and to the individual in question.

Haven't you been blasting Whisenant lately? This post seems very hypocritical.

 

[DocHolliday]

Cool, but you and everyone else we are Fans of the rick adelman era of Basketball.

First off that didn't make any sense. I'm a fan of what WAS. That time has passed, and change is not neccessarily a bad thing. Change has to happen, it's essential in evolution.

 

[Padrino]

The coach provided the excitement for us fans, rick adelman was the guy that put the product out on the floor for us to cheer and get excited about.

incorrect. geoff petrie put the product on the floor for us to cheer and get excited about. adelman, with help from his assistant coaching staff, was responsible for the style of play, and that made it exciting, but adelman has always worked with the talent he was given. he doesn't ask players to do things they aren't capable of, but instead utilizes their actual abilities to maximize the potential and talent within them. of course, with that comes flexibility on the court but inflexibility in the rotation, and that's one of the drawbacks to his coaching style. the players with the most talent dictate the way the team plays the game, and those who don't fit into that mold are typically hung out to dry.

 

[shaka zulu]

First off that didn't make any sense. I'm a fan of what WAS. That time has passed, and change is not neccessarily a bad thing. Change has to happen, it's essential in evolution.

you not making sense homie. You don't agree cool, but that is what my point has been all along. what was is over and now whoever takes over as leader has to create his own identity and his own legacy. He or she can't ride off of adelman's glory or Webber or vlade or anyone else from those glory years.

 

[thesanityannex]

Shaka-

Who has been riding off of Webber of Vlade's glory lately?

 

[Padrino]

Haven't you been blasting Whisenant lately? This post seems very hypocritical.

incorrect. i've never "blasted" whisenant. i've never critiqued his coaching style. i've never said that he doesn't deserve every ounce of credit he's been given for what he's done over the course of his coaching career. i say congratulations to the man for winning a wnba championship. that's great. but its not the nba, and i have very simply argued that he is not qualified to coach the kings, and therefore should not be hired. i don't know why people take issue with this argument, as it seems completely logical and reasonable to me...and to many others.

 

[DocHolliday]

you not making sense homie. You don't agree cool, but that is what my point has been all along. what was is over and now whoever takes over as leader has to create his own identity and his own legacy. He or she can't ride off of adelman's glory or Webber or vlade or anyone else from those glory years.

Check both our posts, and tell me who's makes more sense. I'm sure you'll say yours, but I'm sure there are others that will agree with me on this. Either you skipped english class, or English is your second language or something.

 

[shaka zulu]

incorrect. geoff petrie put the product on the floor for us to cheer and get excited about. adelman, with help from his assistant coaching staff, was responsible for the style of play, and that made it exciting, but adelman has always worked with the talent he was given. he doesn't ask players to do things they aren't capable of, but instead utilizes their actual abilities to maximize the potential and talent within them. of course, with that comes flexibility on the court but inflexibility in the rotation, and that's one of the drawbacks to his coaching style. the players with the most talent dictate the way the team plays the game, and those who don't fit into that mold are typically hung out to dry.

You are being too Technical and you are probably the one going off the dialectic balance here. We are saying basically the same thing no matter how different you want to word it. I could have mentioned petrie but i was talking about adelman's significance in the matter. Petrie definitely had his hand in there as well and we all know this

 

[shaka zulu]

Check both our posts, and tell me who's makes more sense. I'm sure you'll say yours, but I'm sure there are others that will agree with me on this. Either you skipped english class, or English is your second language or something.

It don't matter homie. You are responding for a Reason,If you can't understand what I am saying don't get mad and don't respond to what I say.

 

[Padrino]

You are being too Technical and you are probbaly the one going off the dialectic balance here. We are saying basically the same thing no matter how different you want to word it. I could have mentioned petrie but i was talking about adelman's significance in the matter. Petrie definitely had his hand in there as well and we all know this

you can claim i'm being "too technical," but i just put the facts out there. people can do with them what they want. i was simply pointing out that adelman works with what he's given, and he works well with what he's given. if he was given the situation in new york this last season, he likely would have been much more successful than larry brown, because rick adelman is an adaptable coach. i never give RA less then he's due, but i also make sure not to overpraise what he did, because it was a collective effort between RA, GP, and the Brothers Maloof.

 

[shaka zulu]

Check both our posts, and tell me who's makes more sense. I'm sure you'll say yours, but I'm sure there are others that will agree with me on this. Either you skipped english class, or English is your second language or something.

You may can clarify what you say, but you don't have a clue on basketball matters.

 

[shaka zulu]

Shaka-

Who has been riding off of Webber of Vlade's glory lately?

Whoever is the new leader of the Team. Who leads the Team is the coach and whoever is the new coach will have to create their own glory.Ron artest will have to establish himself and create his own energy. What adelman and webber and company did can't be duplicated

 

[thesanityannex]

incorrect. i've never "blasted" whisenant.

as much as i don't want pj or mussleman as our head coach, i'd take either any day of the week and twice on sunday over whisenant.

if we're gonna hire a rookie coach, it might as well be a young and fiery coach who isn't gonna brown-nose his way into favor with the maloofs. i'm gonna say it again, hiring whisenant would be an utter travesty considering the talent available.

???

 

[thesanityannex]

Whoever is the new leader of the Team. Who leads the Team is the coach and whoever is the new coach will have to create their own glory.Ron artest will have to establish himself and create his own energy. What adelman and webber and company did can't be duplicated

You didn't answer my question. You've made it sound like someone has been riding off of Webber and Vlade's glory still, who is that?

 

[shaka zulu]

You didn't answer my question. You've made it sound like someone has been riding off of Webber and Vlade's glory still, who is that?

You tripping, everybody that wants a piece or likes what is going on basketball wise with the kings is looking at the legacy and the glory that adleman and Webber built. Why is basketball so popular here in sacramento,Webber and adelman's Teams help bring that attention here.

 

[thesanityannex]

You tripping, everybody that wants a piece or likes what is going on basketball wise with the kings is looking at the legacy and the glory that adleman and Webber built. Why is basketball so popular here in sacramento,Webber and adelman's Teams help bring that attention here.

Yeah, I guess you are right. I still watch the Kings because of Webber.



I haven't thought about the Webber years since.......hmmm...........let me think...


Oh yeah, since he left. Webber is not what gets me excited about the Kings. I'm excited about watching Artest and Wells some more. I'm excited about seeing Garcia/Martin excel. I'm excited about this team playing defense once again. Those are the things that keep me watching the Kings, not Chris Webber.

 

[shaka zulu]

you can claim i'm being "too technical," but i just put the facts out there. people can do with them what they want. i was simply pointing out that adelman works with what he's given, and he works well with what he's given. if he was given the situation in new york this last season, he likely would have been much more successful than larry brown, because rick adelman is an adaptable coach. i never give RA less then he's due, but i also make sure not to overpraise what he did, because it was a collective effort between RA, GP, and the Brothers Maloof.

We are saying the same things, Let's not debate because we just like too debate, I have been saying this all along. I was defending adleman and on purpose I left petrie out, but he was definitely in mind.

 

[shaka zulu]

Yeah, I guess you are right. I still watch the Kings because of Webber.



I haven't thought about the Webber years since.......hmmm...........let me think...


Oh yeah, since he left. Webber is not what gets me excited about the Kings. I'm excited about watching Artest and Wells some more. I'm excited about seeing Garcia/Martin excel. I'm excited about this team playing defense once again. Those are the things that keep me watching the Kings, not Chris Webber.

You are excited of things of the adelman Era. Who was the coach when you were excited about all those things you just explained.

 

[quick dog]

I can not believe that I still have the opportunity to expose, yet alone on page four of this thread, one of the most ironic statements ever written in a Kings-related newspaper article.

"The tightlipped Petrie and the Maloofs". Gasp!

Wait, wait, I read it wrong. It was supposed to mean "the tightlipped Petrie,........ and, ........ the Maloofs" I never was much good at sentence structure. I thought I had a real ironic scoop this time.

 

[thesanityannex]

You are excited of things of the adelman Era. Who was the coach when you were excited about all those things you just explained.

Who was the coach on his way out when I was excited about these things? Point is, Adelman is gone, and I'm still excited. That seems to defy your logic.

 

[shaka zulu]

Who was the coach on his way out when I was excited about these things? Point is, Adelman is gone, and I'm still excited. That seems to defy your logic.

Whatever, to each his own. But you are still excited about adelman's Teams because the kings are not playing right now.

 

[VF21]

shaka - thesanityannex is saying he's excited for the future. It doesn't matter who coached those players in the past. sanity is looking forward to more Bonzi and Artest, more development of Kevin, etc.

You may want to continue to give credit to Webber and Adelman, but they're gone. Whatever happens now isn't because OR in spite of them.

The Kings are dead. Long live the Kings.

thesanityannex - I think shaka just wants to see Adelman and futher back Webber get the credit for what most of us will remember as the GLORY DAYS, at least until some new glory days come along.

quickdog - Nice catch.

 

[shaka zulu]

shaka - thesanityannex is saying he's excited for the future. It doesn't matter who coached those players in the past. sanity is looking forward to more Bonzi and Artest, more development of Kevin, etc.

You may want to continue to give credit to Webber and Adelman, but they're gone. Whatever happens now isn't because OR in spite of them.

The Kings are dead. Long live the Kings.

thesanityannex - I think shaka just wants to see Adelman and futher back Webber get the credit for what most of us will remember as the GLORY DAYS, at least until some new glory days come along.

quickdog - Nice catch.

I can agree with this

 

[thesanityannex]

thesanityannex - I think shaka just wants to see Adelman and futher back Webber get the credit for what most of us will remember as the GLORY DAYS, at least until some new glory days come along.

I'll give no credit what so ever, I'm actually watching old Kings games right now and I've had Adelman and Webber digitally removed.

 

[VF21]

I'll give no credit what so ever, I'm actually watching old Kings games right now and I've had Adelman and Webber digitally removed.

Most of us couldn't possibly care less what you do or don't digitally remove. If you want to refuse to acknowledge the contributions of people like Rick Adelman and Chris Webber to the Kings, that's fine. Just don't expect much agreement on a KINGS board populated by fans who have followed this franchise long enough to know what players like Webber and coaches like Adelman can mean.

It's one thing to be critical but to act as though neither of them did anything for our team is just being contrary.

Have a nice day.

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shaka - Thanks.