Forget Good, Can the Kings Be Fun to Watch Next Season?

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I guess I’m the minority here but I loved watching some of the rebuilding years. It was fun to imagine the potential ceiling of all of the young guys. Unfortunately almost none of those guys ever hit their ceiling, but it was fun to dream 😂

We’re not doing that though Keegan who is our young guy with potential in the starting lineup is the sixth scoring option. Our lottery pick from last year is getting traded or playing 10-15mpg and our first rounder this year is getting 10mpg too
 
He might be the most interesting of the group but will probably be playing in Stockton. Why I may make more Stockton Kings than Sac Kings games this year.

Interest for the $$ much higher!
We've been doing that sometimes - watch for deals on the tables near courtside - sometimes you can get a table for 4 and free food for like $209 (for the 209 area code) - my wife is on their mailing list and that's how she saw that deal. Prices are so much more reasonable and you can sit close to the court for the games.
 
Here's something I posted in the "Comments that Don't Warrant Their Own Thread," but it probably fits here the best. I do it while feeling the pessimism, and I then had some thoughts from a different perspective. So, here is some musing for the long hot off season in Texas. I was thinking the other day, probably with too much time on my hands, about the optimism of the last season. Many thought that the Kings had improved over the lineups of the previous two seasons that had resulted in 48 and 46 wins, respectively, maybe being able to knock on the door of 50 wins. DeRozan was a dramatic improvement over Harrison Barnes in scoring, also a top clutch scorer with Fox. That team looked impressive on paper. Alas, we all know that the dream turned into a nightmare. Still, what if one puts the last season totally aside and compares this team, since they seem to be running it back, with that team, with all of its optimism. The huge change is Fox to LaVine. Quite apart from the issue of Fox’s debacle of leaving, LaVine’s contract, and wishing that the Kings had gotten much more than LaVine, LaVine is a top level shooter, better than Fox (a good scorer). They’re not the same player, but one could compare them, all of the other mess aside. In fact, on a recent episode of Eddie Johnson and Justin Termine, discussing Fox’s new contract, which pays him more than LaVine, Fox did not come across well. I was thinking after their assessment that LaVine could look like the better player, at least equal, overall. (I know, but for the Kings handicap, Fox would probably have made more All NBA selections, which Eddie and Justin were looking at—and Fox is probably going to explode on the national scene in San Antonio). LaVine’s incredibly efficient 23.3 points per game (even with the 22.5 for the Kings and that mess), was top 14 in the league, better than Steph Curry. If the Kings double down on LaVine as a scorer for him to get just a few points more up to 27 per game, which he has done (like Fox), he would be in the top 8, ahead of Jokic. For the team at the end of last year, which played above .500 under Christie, Schroeder is a much better point guard than they had. If one compares the team starting this year with the team starting last year, LaVine is a better shooter than Fox, and Schroeder is a better pure point guard than Fox, and also speedy. Since Fox was inconsistent on defense, it could even be that LaVine and Schroeder are better on defense than Fox and Huerter. Together, LaVine and Schroeder are arguably better than Fox and Huerter. The other three are the same. So is it possible, imagining that in the offseason and preseason that they figure out a way to play together well, with a new offense, is it possible that this team looks better than the team that started last year?! About which people were quite optimistic?!
 
Here's something I posted in the "Comments that Don't Warrant Their Own Thread," but it probably fits here the best. I do it while feeling the pessimism, and I then had some thoughts from a different perspective. So, here is some musing for the long hot off season in Texas. I was thinking the other day, probably with too much time on my hands, about the optimism of the last season. Many thought that the Kings had improved over the lineups of the previous two seasons that had resulted in 48 and 46 wins, respectively, maybe being able to knock on the door of 50 wins. DeRozan was a dramatic improvement over Harrison Barnes in scoring, also a top clutch scorer with Fox. That team looked impressive on paper. Alas, we all know that the dream turned into a nightmare. Still, what if one puts the last season totally aside and compares this team, since they seem to be running it back, with that team, with all of its optimism. The huge change is Fox to LaVine. Quite apart from the issue of Fox’s debacle of leaving, LaVine’s contract, and wishing that the Kings had gotten much more than LaVine, LaVine is a top level shooter, better than Fox (a good scorer). They’re not the same player, but one could compare them, all of the other mess aside. In fact, on a recent episode of Eddie Johnson and Justin Termine, discussing Fox’s new contract, which pays him more than LaVine, Fox did not come across well. I was thinking after their assessment that LaVine could look like the better player, at least equal, overall. (I know, but for the Kings handicap, Fox would probably have made more All NBA selections, which Eddie and Justin were looking at—and Fox is probably going to explode on the national scene in San Antonio). LaVine’s incredibly efficient 23.3 points per game (even with the 22.5 for the Kings and that mess), was top 14 in the league, better than Steph Curry. If the Kings double down on LaVine as a scorer for him to get just a few points more up to 27 per game, which he has done (like Fox), he would be in the top 8, ahead of Jokic. For the team at the end of last year, which played above .500 under Christie, Schroeder is a much better point guard than they had. If one compares the team starting this year with the team starting last year, LaVine is a better shooter than Fox, and Schroeder is a better pure point guard than Fox, and also speedy. Since Fox was inconsistent on defense, it could even be that LaVine and Schroeder are better on defense than Fox and Huerter. Together, LaVine and Schroeder are arguably better than Fox and Huerter. The other three are the same. So is it possible, imagining that in the offseason and preseason that they figure out a way to play together well, with a new offense, is it possible that this team looks better than the team that started last year?! About which people were quite optimistic?!

Interesting analysis. A lot of it comes down to coaching. Last season, Mike Brown made three big mistakes. 1) He did not construct an offense in pre-season, preferring to "let it flow." The Kings lost every pre-season game and started the season with incohesive offensive play. 2) He did not play Keon Ellis enough, and even gave him a couple of DNPCDs. 3) The three-point defense he constructed was almost non-existent. The off-ball players, by design, stayed close to the lane in order to stymie drives to the basket and to rebound. In other words, Coach Brown was trying to cover for Domantas Sabonis' apparent deficiencies in defending the basket. That meant that even teams like Orlando, which were poor from deep, had a field day against the Kings.

If Coach Christie comes up with a more balanced defensive scheme, and, as recent reports suggest, revamps the offense to better fit the players available, the Kings could surprise a lot of people, including the fans. Besides playing tight, man-to-man defense, he could use a lot of small ball with guys like Ellis, Devin Carter, and Nique Clifford coming off the bench to run the opposing bench players ragged. Sacramento was actually very effective with small ball the past two seasons.

Everyone knows what the problems are likely to be, but he has a chance to try to circumvent those liabilities. That's what a good coach does.
 
Interesting analysis. A lot of it comes down to coaching. Last season, Mike Brown made three big mistakes. 1) He did not construct an offense in pre-season, preferring to "let it flow." The Kings lost every pre-season game and started the season with incohesive offensive play. 2) He did not play Keon Ellis enough, and even gave him a couple of DNPCDs. 3) The three-point defense he constructed was almost non-existent. The off-ball players, by design, stayed close to the lane in order to stymie drives to the basket and to rebound. In other words, Coach Brown was trying to cover for Domantas Sabonis' apparent deficiencies in defending the basket. That meant that even teams like Orlando, which were poor from deep, had a field day against the Kings.

If Coach Christie comes up with a more balanced defensive scheme, and, as recent reports suggest, revamps the offense to better fit the players available, the Kings could surprise a lot of people, including the fans. Besides playing tight, man-to-man defense, he could use a lot of small ball with guys like Ellis, Devin Carter, and Nique Clifford coming off the bench to run the opposing bench players ragged. Sacramento was actually very effective with small ball the past two seasons.

Everyone knows what the problems are likely to be, but he has a chance to try to circumvent those liabilities. That's what a good coach does.
I agree with all of your points. Arguably, any one of those three could have led to Mike's firing. I have often thought, with others here, that not playing Keon more was a fateful misjudgment. But the other moves about the offense and defense were dreadful. I think that there's a real chance that Doug can improve things on both of those counts. I still wonder where Keon is going to get minutes, even with Doug. Ironically, probably the best chance with this team as it stands is to go to Mike Brown's Beam team season, where they have a top 5 (or 1) offense, and then hopefully are not last in defense but maybe around 20th. Mike went away from the offense but didn't get the great defensive jump either (a little better but huge weaknesses, as you say, with the 3 point defense).
 
This team should have no excuses not to be challenging for the play in slots, and the upper ones too. If they don't it means the locker room is a dumpster fire more than likely and the pieces just aren't fitting. Then building "culture" gives way to the return of basketball hell. Of course most people see being one of the older on average teams in the NBA and not being a true contender as that anyway so....
 
This team should have no excuses not to be challenging for the play in slots, and the upper ones too. If they don't it means the locker room is a dumpster fire more than likely and the pieces just aren't fitting. Then building "culture" gives way to the return of basketball hell. Of course most people see being one of the older on average teams in the NBA and not being a true contender as that anyway so....
If Christie goes with the vet lineup of all offense and just Keegan, it’s going to fail again. Lots of talent here but tough fits.
 
If Christie goes with the vet lineup of all offense and just Keegan, it’s going to fail again. Lots of talent here but tough fits.

Lavine isn’t coming off the bench he’s too good Derozan told brown no when he tried bribing him off the bench the vets are starting t
 
This team should have no excuses not to be challenging for the play in slots, and the upper ones too. If they don't it means the locker room is a dumpster fire more than likely and the pieces just aren't fitting. Then building "culture" gives way to the return of basketball hell. Of course most people see being one of the older on average teams in the NBA and not being a true contender as that anyway so....

Kings will win some games by default when DeMar or Lavine have hot shooting nights but the idea is to build that trade value by the trade deadline and ideally ship DeMar out and just eat the Lavine contract until its an expiring
 
Kings will win some games by default when DeMar or Lavine have hot shooting nights but the idea is to build that trade value by the trade deadline and ideally ship DeMar out and just eat the Lavine contract until its an expiring

If that's the goal then this might have to be a season with a few dominant teams and one or two right in the position of getting up there and being only a few Kings pieces away. In total Kings fashion it will work out to where the Kings feel they ARE that team, lol. And they might be.

The Kings team as it sits really isn't that imbalanced. Obviously for a team wanting defense it's a ghost town on paper in the starting lineup. Good luck. The Kings have had teams with like 5 centers so this is nothing, haha. If you have to be overloaded you want to be overloaded at G. The true imbalance is direction and focus. Like, where are they heading? What's the actual goal here? What's the time line?
 
I mean trade value doesn’t really need to be built for these vets. Team already know what they are about.

That's true, and the market for players like DeMar, Monk, LaVine, and probably even Domas is going to depend on how desperate or confident teams are in adding them. The only downside is there are no real easy outs on the market in terms of expiring contracts. I really think it's possible at this point that the Kings either sit on DeMar for 1 year or even buy him out at some point if things go fully south and he wants out because he's only guaranteed 10 million in 2026 from I read and the Kings might have to actually take on money to move him.
 
If that's the goal then this might have to be a season with a few dominant teams and one or two right in the position of getting up there and being only a few Kings pieces away. In total Kings fashion it will work out to where the Kings feel they ARE that team, lol. And they might be.

The Kings team as it sits really isn't that imbalanced. Obviously for a team wanting defense it's a ghost town on paper in the starting lineup. Good luck. The Kings have had teams with like 5 centers so this is nothing, haha. If you have to be overloaded you want to be overloaded at G. The true imbalance is direction and focus. Like, where are they heading? What's the actual goal here? What's the time line?

as far as I can tell, Vivek is content with the play-in to get individuals in seats, sell more merchandise and the like. Maybe Perry has the right to operate without his input but it's speculation on our part until an algorithm reveals the truth
 
I mean trade value doesn’t really need to be built for these vets. Team already know what they are about.
Yes and no. While these are known quantities, no GM worth his salt can bypass recent play. Not just in terms of what the player might do in the new environment, but how desperate is his current team to trade him, and what value will they accept in return. It's also easier to sell such a trade to your fans if the player is lighting it up, compared to if he is struggling. So, a player on a high, even a vet, will have higher value if he is playing well.
 
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