Following Potential *2024* Draftees

yeah kind of like we heard Davion could guard the 3 after Monte drafted him? Not to mention Dort has long players around him.
So you think Lu Dort's success as a versatile mult-position defender is because he has long players around him? Really?

What does one off-hand comment Monte made (that's never played out on the court btw, even though you love to bring this up to take digs at Monte), have to do with Iowa thinking Carter could guard up like Dort can? Maybe respond with why you think he can't? That'd actually be a productive discussion.
 
To be fair, Carter did measure with a longer wingspan than Ellis (6’8.75” vs. 6’8.5”) so let’s not pretend like “length” is only defined by standing reach.

It’s also worth noting that Carter’s vertical was much better than what Ellis posted which I think is a complementary data point to consider when looking at standing reach.

For example, Carter measured with a 8’2” standing reach, 35” standing vertical, and 42” max vertical. That means at a standstill, Carter’s hand can get up to 11’1” to contest a shot, and with a running start, Carter’s hand can get up to 11’8” to contest a shot.

Now let’s consider Keon who measured with a 8’6” standing reach, 28” standing vertical, and 35.5” max vertical. That means at a standstill, Keon’s hand can get up to 10’10” to contest a shot, and with a running start, Keon’s hand can get up to 11’5.5”.

As you can see, Carter can technically contest shots at a higher point than Ellis which helps negate the difference in standing reach while at the same time having a longer wingspan which is more important for deflections, playing the passing lanes, stripping players, disrupting ball handlers, etc.

Then you add to the fact that Carter has been an excellent rebounder for his position in college and will likely be a better rebounder than Ellis and it makes his shorter height/standing reach) less of an issue.

Then you add to the fact that Carter weighed in 26 lbs heavier than Ellis and it helps negate that height that much more as it allows him to bang with stronger players without being moved off of his spot.

But despite Carter having 26 lbs on Ellis, his agility/quickness/speed tests were better as well:

Lane Agility
Devin Carter = 10.63 sec
Keon Ellis = 10.87 sec

Shuttle Run
Devin Carter = 2.90 sec
Keon Ellis = 3.02 sec

3/4 Sprint
Devin Carter = 2.87 sec
Keon Ellis = 3.18 sec


So what do we potentially have in Carter? A defender who is quicker, faster, and stronger than Ellis who technically can contest shots at a higher point in the air than Ellis and will very likely be a better rebounder than Ellis. Now does that mean that Carter will be the better player or defender? Of course not. But I wouldn’t be surprised (and that’s coming from a guy that loves Ellis).
You know what they say, having 2 Keon Ellis's is never a good thing because they're 6'3
 
You know what they say, having 2 Keon Ellis's is never a good thing because they're 6'3
And the thing is it's like, they are both actually considered to have good length anyway. I mean, I can see shying away from one of the G's with more PG sized length like Mccain or Sheppard but Carter isn't that. No, he's not a 6'8" wing, but dudes far from a stub haha.
 
So you think Lu Dort's success as a versatile mult-position defender is because he has long players around him? Really?

What does one off-hand comment Monte made (that's never played out on the court btw, even though you love to bring this up to take digs at Monte), have to do with Iowa thinking Carter could guard up like Dort can? Maybe respond with why you think he can't? That'd actually be a productive discussion.
yes. Because it allows him to cover quicker guards and let longer players be covered by Williams or SGA.

I think Dort and Carter would both guard generally the same kind of player Ellis guards. I looking to fill the gap against larger wings
 
yes. Because it allows him to cover quicker guards and let longer players be covered by Williams or SGA.

I think Dort and Carter would both guard generally the same kind of player Ellis guards. I looking to fill the gap against larger wings
Ellis simply doesn't have the physicality of Dort or Carter even though both Fox and Ellis will do their best. Fox actually appears to be pretty special when players try and bully him though, he's way stronger than the looks. Brown brought up the lack of physicality so many times it was getting annoying, haha. The only clip needed is the one where Carter is bowling through the lane and knocks his own center out of the way to the rim. That's power and no, the Kings don't have that regardless of position. I think the need for someone that can create that kind of chaos at the rim offensively is a far bigger need and would help take a ton of pressure off of Fox.
 
Carter’s size if very similar to Gary Payton II. If the Kings could draft a GP2 with a 3pt shot, I’m all for it.

My view on this draft is that the Kings need to go for physicality. Carter, Edey, Knecht (and maybe Tyler Smith) play tough and would all put pressure on the rim.

I love me some Furphy - but I don’t think the Kings can wait for someone to grow into their bodies (unless Monte thinks he’s found a star).
 
Ellis simply doesn't have the physicality of Dort or Carter even though both Fox and Ellis will do their best. Fox actually appears to be pretty special when players try and bully him though, he's way stronger than the looks. Brown brought up the lack of physicality so many times it was getting annoying, haha. The only clip needed is the one where Carter is bowling through the lane and knocks his own center out of the way to the rim. That's power and no, the Kings don't have that regardless of position. I think the need for someone that can create that kind of chaos at the rim offensively is a far bigger need and would help take a ton of pressure off of Fox.
yeah well OKC put Wallace on Luka and not Dort because Wallace was longer. I love Dort but I would guess OKC looks to get longer at his spot. Dort will go to the bench and could well be gone when his contract is up.
 
yeah well OKC put Wallace on Luka and not Dort because Wallace was longer. I love Dort but I would guess OKC looks to get longer at his spot. Dort will go to the bench and could well be gone when his contract is up.
And if Dort had the potential tools Carter does offensively it might be a different story. Carter is a good defender, I think that's going to be something that translates. How far he guards up, who knows. Every matchup is different. Carter isn't just a defensive specialist. It's the 2 way play that makes him so interesting. Fact is, there are plenty of examples of players his size playing multiple positions so it's very possible. Either way, it's the whole package you draft someone like that for, not just defense. If he pans out, possible starter/star, if not, good defender energy guy off your bench that can run some offense for a team and draw contact.
 
Been telling people about Djura for ages really poor mans Booker mixed with really poor mans Luka is a fine player. He killed it in the scrimmage today had like 3 dunks in the halfcourt where he blew by his man and crushed it and showed the playmaking/still super flat shot as well I think just in terms of raw potential he's got a higher upside than both Jovic/Topic (just like Poku did imo but obviously that did not work out). I just don't think he has the elite motor but like Topic does which is freakish which does make him a boom/bust type similar to Poku.
 
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Been telling people about Djura for ages really poor mans Booker mixed with really poor mans Luka is a fine player. He killed it in the scrimmage today had like 3 dunks in the halfcourt where he blew by his man and crushed it and showed the playmaking/still super flat shot as well I think just in terms of raw potential he's got a higher upside than both Jovic/Topic (just like Poku did imo but obviously that did not work out). I just don't think he has the elite motor but like Topic does which is freakish which does make him a boom/bust type similar to Poku.
I've liked Djurisic for a long time. I was hoping he could be a trade up target in the early 2nd, but I think he's working his way into the first round. Booker is a decent comp, both came into the draft as movement shooters with playmaking potential. Djurisic is about an inch taller, but they both have 6'8" wingspans. Djurisic has been shooting well lately, but he's streakier/more inconsistent than Booker was. Djurisic also isn't quite as quick, either laterally or in terms of his first step so he often has to be a bit craftier to create space for his jumper.
 

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If the Kings end up moving Davion this off-season, one guy I really, really like in the 2nd round as a defensive backup PG is Jamal Shead.

He's not quite the on ball defender that Mitchell is, but he's a better team defender and a good distributor who should be able to step in and help on day 1.
 
good, this might push down a player such as Cody Williams or Holland.
Saluan may turn out to b the better forward long term, but I feel the other two more an immediate fit.
unlikely. I had Spurs taking a guard at 8 but the entire league, or at least not spending multiple years in the lottery, are all taking long wings at the top of the draft.
 
unlikely. I had Spurs taking a guard at 8 but the entire league, or at least not spending multiple years in the lottery, are all taking long wings at the top of the draft.
that’s why I said might. Kind of unfortunate that a long wing is exactly what we need and most will be gone by 13. If it’s a wing we want perhaps Jaylon Tyson, George, or maybe even Furphy are in consideration. If not i’m not opposed to bpa and that could be another 6’3 guard. Carter is intriguing.