Fire PDA/Chris Mullin

miltonap

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Too early? I don't think so

These are obviously the boneheads leading this operation of failure. Yes, let's fire our coach who not only gained the respect of his players, but utilized their strengths instead of trying to mold them into something they weren't. The guys were competing, and they were beginning to trust each other. Sure he wasn't perfect, but neither was the roster (who's fault was that?). The roster had/has giant holes in it, so to say that Coach wasn't meeting expectations? Give me a break. The players look dejected/demoralized. It's depressing.

Obviously, I don't need to go into all of the details of the mistakes that these two morons have made, you guys know all of that, but let me just reiterate some points:

-Mullin doesn't have a good track record in management. He helped manage Golden State when they sucked and loves Nelly ball. He is definitely part of the problem.

-they desperately wanted Coach Malone to play Royce White, even though Royce looked fat and slow and wasn't helping the team. This is just a microcosm of the awful experiments these morons have been trying to run.

-got no value for Isaiah Thomas. Oh wait, we got Alex Orisucki and a whatever million dollar trade exception, which has yet to be used.

-Ramon Sessions. In their defense, no one expected him to be this bad.

-The Rudy Gay trade wasn't genius. We lost basically nothing and it happened to work out. And yea, our coach probably had nothing to do with that /sarcasm.

-they keep on talking about the ability of ALL NBA players to run. That's cool. Of course, they CAN run. Does that mean they should be running? I mean, if the roster permits it and would give the team an advantage, then by all means, run. But hold on, let me look at the roster these idiots have constructed. There's a problem. Run and gun doesn't make sense for this team. We happen to have the best low post player in the game in Demarcus Cousins. How about let's build around Cousins strengths, and surround him by solid 3/D guys? That would make too much sense though and probably isn't innovative enough for NBA 3.0. Just goes to show how clueless these guys are.

-PDA said in an interview that he would have fired Mike Malone even if he started the season 16-9. Okay. So winning obviously isn't their priority, playing with style is. That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. I don't give a crap if the team plays ugly but gets wins. I'm sure Memphis Grizzlies fans cry at night because their team doesn't play as pretty as the Golden State Warriors. Oh, but a prettier style of play fits the city of Sacramento more! We want to bring back the days of the 02' Kings! Well, listen morons. We are NOT the 02' Sacramento Kings. It will be a very very long time before we ever see a team like that. Our players share almost no similarities to the 02' Kings. Does the front office understand how much time it would take to emulate the 02' Kings and how much we don't care for it? Oh and by the way, the 02' Kings were a GREAT defensive team. Just absurd.

-created a garbage D-League environment to run their lab rat experiments. Isn't the point of the NBA development team to develop players. They hired the head coach from Grinnel to run his junk system in Reno, and it's absolutely awful. Basically, they shoot quickly, don't have an actual offense, try to run fast, and play no defense. This is a major red flag. These morons obviously did their "research" before making this move which means they had to have wanted this. Some have said that just because they don't mention anything about defense doesn't mean they don't value defense. Well, nothing indicates that they care about defense, besides PDA saying we needed a shot blocker over the summer and acquiring Luc Richard Mbah Moute, who was soon traded for Derrick Williams.

-no legit backup plan for the firing of Coach Malone

Jerry Reynolds hit the nail right on the head during today's broadcast. He said that basketball was meant to be a simple sport. It's like these idiots want to revolutionize the game when there is nothing to revolutionize. The game doesn't need help. We know what leads to winning. It's called team chemistry and playing fundamental offense/defense. There isn't some secret formula to make a winning team. How hard is that to get? These nerds act like this is a video game.

I'm tired of writing but yea, I'm frustrated, and I think we deserve better. If management hires Karl, then I will feel a little better because I know Karl won't listen to any of their awful ideas. To be honest, however, I don't think my viewpoint of this front office will ever change. These morons need to get out of Sacramento, asap.


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It's hard to say, I don't remotely know what the goals are for this season. Is it to keep their pick? Is it to win? Score more points? I am just lost. I hate to say it but even when the Maloofs were floundering it felt like there was more of a direction than some of the moves this group has made. I just hope this ownership and FO isn't starting to let all the criticism effect there decisions so that all they care about is "showing them"! Sorry guys, when everyone in the media, most fans, and in particular a great deal of your own fanbase is lobbing dung bombs, did you ever think there might be a reason for it?
 
Too early since PDA still hasn't selected his first coach. If he shamelessly puts Mullin in charge next summer, the resulting 26-56 trainwreck in 2015-2016 should make them both ripe for firing.
 
Too early since PDA still hasn't selected his first coach. If he shamelessly puts Mullin in charge next summer, the resulting 26-56 trainwreck in 2015-2016 should make them both ripe for firing.

Cousins isn't sitting through that type of season next year bank in it.
 
I'm curious to see how long Vivek's patience runs with Pete because as we know...he wants results and he wants them quickly, which just doesn't happen very often in the sport of basketball.
 
Great post....couldn't agree more. One point though, this whole "rehire Malone" stuff has to stop. That's NEVER going to happen. Never.

Okay, I keep hearing this but I don't have any information (other than a contentious relationship and Malone's shock at being fired) the corroborate it. Why can it not possibly happen? Educate me.
 
Okay, I keep hearing this but I don't have any information (other than a contentious relationship and Malone's shock at being fired) the corroborate it. Why can it not possibly happen? Educate me.

I too would love to here why "That's never going to happen"? Unless Malone will not come back, Vivek is the majority owner and can do whatever he wants to do. I for one think that Vivek made the right choice when he hired Malone first. It was the subsequent hiring of the unsuccessful GM, Mullin and "Mr. Five Moves Ahead" that were mistakes. Vivek made a mstake, he can fix it if he wants to.
 
These are obviously the boneheads leading this operation of failure. Yes, let's fire our coach who not only gained the respect of his players, but utilized their strengths instead of trying to mold them into something they weren't. The guys were competing, and they were beginning to trust each other. Sure he wasn't perfect, but neither was the roster (who's fault was that?). The roster had/has giant holes in it, so to say that Coach wasn't meeting expectations? Give me a break. The players look dejected/demoralized. It's depressing.
Hmmm.

You need to review the countless game threads where fans moaned and groaned on coach Malone's mistakes. It is easy to forget everything and blame somebody else, just so we can lend support to our favorite coach (who is gone) and bring down those we hate (who are still here).

Here are just some of the fans postings on the thread "The Fallacy of Hope" and there are many more in each game threads that suggest coach Malone was not meeting expectations and he is not the one who will get this team to the promised land:

I have been questioning Malone now for weeks, even when we were 5-1 because while we were winning, there were some questionable things Malone was doing. Even with saying that, a basketball team is just that, a team. So if the team fails, it's not just the coach's fault, its the entire team. Those that say Malone can't be the one that cuts down the turnovers or make a good pass have a point, but when it has become such a trend even with the season 1/4 gone, then it's not just the players. Not everyone can suck all the time, there has to be an underlying issue. Both are to blame in this regard. I also blame some of the support coaching staff as well, they are there to help Malone, so a seasoned assistant coach should be opening his mouth and pointing things out.

I won't go into rotations that much because we have all beat that horse dead multiple times. Suffice it to say they are questionable at best, and some utterly perplexing. Worse than the rotations, however, is the use of some of the players. Mainly Reggie Evans and Casspi's all of a sudden disappearance after being our energizer guy out there. This I blame Malone 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Reggie Evans is not capable of being Chris Webber from the high post and the fact that this is continuing to happen is baffling. Truly baffling.

The team isn't playing well and though I don't know what goes behind the scenes, from what I see I am more likely to blame the coach. He doesn't have his guys playing the game the way they are capable of. This is strictly my opinion so no one take offense.

With you 100% on the use of Evans. And the Nik end of game play is utterly perplexing indeed.
And there are many more posts from many more fans here that tells Malone is not a good coach. Just read the game threads and you'll see what I am talking about. Some posts were even made by those who are supporting/defending Malone now.

I guess my bottom line is Malone indeed was not meeting the expectations. He was not the "very good coach" that we are saying he is now. So, to say it was a mistake for Vivek or PDA to kick out a "very good coach" is just not right.

Also, I wish Vivek and PDA stop their politically correct statements/reasons (or lies) to protect Malone's reputation. I wish they say the plain truth about why they fire Malone even if it hurts Malone's feeling or reputation. Just be honest and no more of the "philosophical difference" alibi/crap, because some people who hear their casual conversation on their home and office know the truth.

BTW, I could have agreed with you if you said the timing to fire Malone was wrong and his replacement is inadequate.
 
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i thought malone wasn't very creative on his offensive sets. i was hoping he'd hire an offensively creative lead assistant to help him in that department. the defense was much better with everybody buying in. he's a 1st year head coach who never had any real chance in the 1st year w/ new players thrown at him consistently. this year with more stability with the roster he was able to set the foundation for the team.

doesn't matter though, we'll get to see mully as the jazz coordinator for this band.
 
Hmmm.

You need to review the countless game threads where fans moaned and groaned on coach Malone's mistakes. It is easy to forget everything and blame somebody else, just so we can lend support to our favorite coach (who is gone) and bring down those we hate (who are still here).

Here are just some of the fans postings and there are many more in each game threads that suggest coach Malone was not meeting expectations and he is not the one who will get this team to the promised land:






And there are many more posts from many more fans here that tells Malone is not a good coach. Just read the game threads and you'll see what I am talking about. Some posts were even made by those who are supporting/defending Malone now.

I guess my bottom line is Malone indeed was not meeting the expectations. He was not the "very good coach" that we are saying he is now. So, to say it was a mistake for Vivek or PDA to kick out a "very good coach" is just not right.

Also, I wish Vivek and PDA stop their politically correct statements/reasons (or lies) to protect Malone's reputation. I wish they say the plain truth about why they fire Malone even if it hurts Malone's feeling or reputation. Just be honest and no more of the "philosophical difference" alibi/poopoo, because some people who hear their casual conversation on their home and office know the truth.

BTW, I could have agreed with you if you said the timing to fire Malone was wrong and his replacement is inadequate.

Oh, please. People complained about Adleman's rotations. You find Spurs fans complaining about Pop sometimes. Nobody is perfect. And as a young coach, I know a lot of folks may have had criticism of Malone but figured he would also work his way through some of the issues. That doesn't take away from all the good work and player development he had accomplished, which as we can see far overshadows the few criticisms this year.
 
Okay, I keep hearing this but I don't have any information (other than a contentious relationship and Malone's shock at being fired) the corroborate it. Why can it not possibly happen? Educate me.

"Contentious relationship" is enough in and of itself. The only way I could see it even remotely happening would be if PDA was fired, and I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. The best way to move forward is to bring in a competent coach with excellent bona fides who will make us forget about Malone. That way, nobody really has to admit just how big a ****-up they made and life is good.

On Malone's side of the coin, I'm not sure he'd want to come back once he's free. After all, he's still getting his paycheck and there's every chance he's rehabbed his image enough to warrant a close look by one of the next teams to shed their coach. There is a small pool of available gentlemen to pick from when you're fishing for coaches...

I hate how this has been handled. Malone was doing a lot of good with our players. At some point, yes, we probably should have looked for an upgrade because his offensive sets and substitutions did leave a lot to be desired. And that's why I'm not sure bringing him back at this point would help. The pressure on him would be incredible to right the ship and there's just no way to know if he'd be able to do it, especially if PDA is still the GM.

What's done is done. We just have to hope that Vivek will learn from his mistake and not repeat it by hiring a crony who is by no means a lock for a successful head coach.
 
Hmmm.

You need to review the countless game threads where fans moaned and groaned on coach Malone's mistakes. It is easy to forget everything and blame somebody else, just so we can lend support to our favorite coach (who is gone) and bring down those we hate (who are still here).
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I moaned and groaned about Coach Malone's mistake. Especially those last 4-5 games before he got fired. Back to back iso plays for Rudy were terrible. I'm not sure how those plays didn't pee anyone off. Even when I said the stuff I did about Malone, I didn't want him to be fired.

I think there are better coaches available than Malone, but we'll just have to see if the FO even decides to consider them. That's the most frustrating part. HOF coach wants to coach our team, but we might not want him.
 
I moaned and groaned about Coach Malone's mistake. Especially those last 4-5 games before he got fired. Back to back iso plays for Rudy were terrible. I'm not sure how those plays didn't pee anyone off. Even when I said the stuff I did about Malone, I didn't want him to be fired.

I think there are better coaches available than Malone, but we'll just have to see if the FO even decides to consider them. That's the most frustrating part. HOF coach wants to coach our team, but we might not want him.

I was as critical as anyone of Malone's offense. But I never would have fired him for that because he knew how to get his guys to buy in and play defense at a near elite level. That is a rare quality in a coach.

That the firing was handled so ineptly without a superstar backup waiting in the wings to pick up the slack is just embarrassing.
 
Exactly. Malone was an imperfect coach who was growing with the team. As much as I loved Corbin as an assistant coach, the FO was probably right about the need to bring in someone more offensive - minded, to compensate for some of Malone's shortcomings. While Malone resisted the likes of Kurt Rambis, seemingly out of fear he'd be hiring his own replacement, I've wondered if it might have appeased the FO enough to have extended his stay.

Oh, please. People complained about Adleman's rotations. You find Spurs fans complaining about Pop sometimes. Nobody is perfect. And as a young coach, I know a lot of folks may have had criticism of Malone but figured he would also work his way through some of the issues. That doesn't take away from all the good work and player development he had accomplished, which as we can see far overshadows the few criticisms this year.
 
Exactly. Malone was an imperfect coach who was growing with the team. As much as I loved Corbin as an assistant coach, the FO was probably right about the need to bring in someone more offensive - minded, to compensate for some of Malone's shortcomings. While Malone resisted the likes of Kurt Rambis, seemingly out of fear he'd be hiring his own replacement, I've wondered if it might have appeased the FO enough to have extended his stay.

doubt it. he didn't believe in analytics, picking cherries and jazz music.
 
Hmmm.

You need to review the countless game threads where fans moaned and groaned on coach Malone's mistakes. It is easy to forget everything and blame somebody else, just so we can lend support to our favorite coach (who is gone) and bring down those we hate (who are still here).

Here are just some of the fans postings on the thread "The Fallacy of Hope" and there are many more in each game threads that suggest coach Malone was not meeting expectations and he is not the one who will get this team to the promised land:








And there are many more posts from many more fans here that tells Malone is not a good coach. Just read the game threads and you'll see what I am talking about. Some posts were even made by those who are supporting/defending Malone now.

I guess my bottom line is Malone indeed was not meeting the expectations. He was not the "very good coach" that we are saying he is now. So, to say it was a mistake for Vivek or PDA to kick out a "very good coach" is just not right.

Also, I wish Vivek and PDA stop their politically correct statements/reasons (or lies) to protect Malone's reputation. I wish they say the plain truth about why they fire Malone even if it hurts Malone's feeling or reputation. Just be honest and no more of the "philosophical difference" alibi/poopoo, because some people who hear their casual conversation on their home and office know the truth.

BTW, I could have agreed with you if you said the timing to fire Malone was wrong and his replacement is inadequate.
No one wanted to fire him. Complaining about the coach does not equal fire the coach. Not sure how you could possibly reach that conclusion.

Was Reggie Evans used wrong? In any system that doesn't adjust to his lack of anything resembling offensive talent Evans will struggle. Both Malone and now Corbin have benched him for extended periods. That's a crapty roster. That's not on Malone. I'm sure he didn't request Evans. He rebounds and does nothing else. Sometimes he gets the rebound and just turns it over, so he's not even that great at rebounding on the whole.

Keep in mind, somewhere a fan is blaming pop for his rotations against Detroit the other night. Doesn't mean they want to can him. I think pop sat Duncan for all but the last couple of plays. Did that cost them the game? Yeah it probably did.

Your whole premise is flawed, and I don't appreciate you cherry picking a statement I made as some sort of justification for the horrible mistake the front office has made. PDA did the same thing in his first botched interview saying "we heard the fans". He misheard.

The positive with Michael Malone far outweighed the negative. No one outside the front office would say others with a straight face.

Now, with Corbin, strategy and stuff is utterly irrelevant since the players have given up. And frankly, so have a lot of the fans. I don't really see anyone talking about Corbin's coaching cause it just doesn't matter, no matter how many times PDA says he's the guy, we know he isn't.
 
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