=LarryLegend=
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Does anybody else see this day come and go like last year?
with ron ron and bibby still here.....
with ron ron and bibby still here.....
Feb 22nd
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91sickness
Bench
I do, i have a bad feeling that nothing is going significant is going to happen. Of course we will be all over the rumor mill just like last year with the bibby for gooden talk but i really dont see any potetional suitors out there with anything (players, picks, expiring contracts) that can work. Ya we here in dreamland (kingsfans.com) have come up with all sorts of possible trade ideas but at the end of the day thats all they are...ideas. So unfortunately i see the same roster we have now as the one we will have come February 23. I would love to be proven wrong however but i just dont see Petrie pullin the trigger.
Artest (sign and trade) + k9 to the knicks for lil Nate Robinson and Zach Randolph.
.....i know i know the Knicks wont do it cuz they know Ronron can basically be theirs this summer without giving up any pieces.
Artest (sign and trade) + k9 to the knicks for lil Nate Robinson and Zach Randolph.
.....i know i know the Knicks wont do it cuz they know Ronron can basically be theirs this summer without giving up any pieces.
Well it's definitely another watershed day for GP and this mysterious "rebuild" he mentioned early last summer that we're all still waiting to se get started.
I would bet a lot that GP hasn't called in from the Bahamas in weeks and has no interest in any of this "trade deadline" nonsense.
I would bet a lot that GP hasn't called in from the Bahamas in weeks and has no interest in any of this "trade deadline" nonsense.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
And this is Petrie's style. This may be frustrating but he doesn't trade in a panic and thank goodness for that. If anything, he takes advantage of other teams.
He also does not discuss possible trades. Why should he? How would you like to be playing for the Kings and know they want to get rid of you?
He doesn't owe us fans an update of his thought processes.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
This is true, for the most part. My guess is that he did panic once (Webber) and we all know how that worked out. But there is something to be said for being too conservative. You can fail to make a move for too long, then all the sudden your chips have lost all their value.
But he does owe us something to root for on the court. I like to cheer for a team that a) is competitive now or b) has the exciting potential to be competitive in the future. Right now, I fear, we have neither.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
So the continuing maturation of Hawes, Williams, Martin, Cisco, Douby, Beno, and Dahntay doesn't count as improving. Yes, some aren't getting played but that isn't unusual for youngsters. They will get their day. Young kids aren't instant stars and people who want us to get draft picks, draft picks, draft picks seem to forget this.
I agree about the Webber trade.
Some of our chips are contributing to the only thrills that this year's team can muster. If our best athletes are traded, ARCO will be empty. (yeah, yeah, an exaggeration)
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LPKingsFan
All-Star
Oh, no, by all means those additions and maturations is a start. But me? I'd like to take it a bit further. I'd like to watch a team of:
Miller/Hawes
Moore/Williams
Salmons/Cisco
Martin/Jones
Udrih/Douby
With Artest and Bibby used to clear out the dead weight (KT, SAR) and getting more young guys and draft picks.
Judging by some of the posts here, I think the fans feel that way too. That starting lineup above was losing, but was at least fun to watch and have a future. Ron and Bibby, I'm afraid, are not.
Yeah, that's a nice way to look at it, but we've been in need of a big move here for a while now. We've heard the "things are in the works" speech a ton over the past two years, every trade deadline and every offseason, and nothing happens.
I'm not saying that Petrie's not working or that he's content to let the deadline pass without getting something done, but I'm much more inclined to doubt that something meaningful happens before February 22nd than to expect it.
Yeah we are improving steadily as the young guys get better, but if we just count on the young guys, we're never going to be good enough. Look at the West this year: You think that even with those guys playing their best all year long, that we'd have a shot at anything more than the 8 seed?
Bottom line is we have some serious problems that aren't going to be cured by just waiting for a great opportunity. We have salaries that are hurting us. We have vets that are hampering the young guys development. We have the Ron Artest situation to do something about. We have a decision to make this summer about Beno. And on and on. It doesn't matter how mature our young guys get, we have problems that we can either address or just let them mess us up completely.
I'd like to see us do something meaningful before the deadline, even with the young guys we have.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Superman, I don't disagree. I was addressing the idea that nothing is happening. Just because a fan needs a shot of excitement to feel good doesn't mean there is no progress. One can't see people gaining maturity and it isn't as exciting as a trade which is all we can do now.
I'd like to see Bibby traded before the deadline but not for a bunch of draft choices. He could get us a very nice power forward and I would hope some low cost pg to make up for our deficit of a pg by trading him.
I'd like to see Bibby traded before the deadline but not for a bunch of draft choices. He could get us a very nice power forward and I would hope some low cost pg to make up for our deficit of a pg by trading him.
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I don't know how much we could get for Bibby, honestly speaking. I'd like to see him and Artest moved before the deadline, clearing the way for Salmons and Beno to be full-time starters for the rest of the year. But I don't expect us to get a nice power forward for Bibby, and I doubt that we could even package Bibby and Artest for a solid big man because of Bibby's salary and Artest's ... baggage.
And then we still need a backup point guard, since Douby isn't the answer. Unless we decide to run the offense through Brad when Beno goes to the bench.
I agree with you, though. It was nice to see the young guys regularly contributing, including the newly added Dahntay Jones, who is probably just auditioning for a better team next season. I just don't get too excited at the prospect of having him and Justin Williams as a part of our young "core".
I believe we have to do so as a part of the trade. Could be wrong. We might have to do so before the trade.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
That creates a problem but not a huge problem. Nobody near the end of the bench (you mentioned two) aren't expendable. (Was that a double negative?) I doubt if a Bibby trade would be one for one or even that we gave up more players than we got because of Bibby's contract.
These fantasy dreams that involve Bibby and KT are more of a problem because we are talking of more than $20 mil from our side and to get more than $20 mil back can be very complicated in what it does to the end of our bench. $20 mil back means a lot of players from the other team and therefore a lot of players cut (somehow) from our team in preparation.
I guess that's why I don't get involved in these trade scenarios. There's always that extra little kicker involved that is not taken into account: the players we or the other team needs to cut and how it can be done. It usually involves a little more money lost for one team or the other.
Gary
All-Star
Think about the Webber trade. We dropped Bradley, and Barnes on them as part of evening the player swap out. What would happen is that we would probably drop a guy like Justin Williams, and Douby on them as well. We might get a bit extra for Douby, but doubt it.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I was referring specifically to any idea that KT and Bibby could be packaged together. (Or Artest and Bibby for that matter) Pure fantasy. I can think of no instance where if we packaged KT and Bibby (or the other pair) that we would also need to add players to balance salaries. These two guys are 40% of our salary.
Is this the Webber/Richmond trade or the other mess? I presume the latter. My memory is foggy but I thought we got three mediocre or semi over the hill players for Webber. That makes it three for three. I'm lost on this one and will look a few things up.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Here's a quote:
Perhaps they even needed to balance the number of bodies which is the point I've been trying to make. Balance the bodies or cut players from a team.
Better yet: balance the bodies and the salaries. Not so easy for the idle chatter I see daily.
The Sixers acquired Webber, one of the NBA's elite power forwards and a five-time All-Star, along with reserve forwards Matt Barnes and Michael Bradley. Philadelphia sent forwards Brian Skinner, Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson to the Kings, who finally divested themselves of Webber's mammoth contract and larger-than-life personality after years of speculation.
Perhaps they even needed to balance the number of bodies which is the point I've been trying to make. Balance the bodies or cut players from a team.
Better yet: balance the bodies and the salaries. Not so easy for the idle chatter I see daily.
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