EIM86
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kb02
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McNair gets credit on this board for his draft picks, but everyone would’ve picked Haliburton at 12. That was as easy a no brainer as picking Luka over Bags. Okay, so maybe Vlade does not pick Haliburton, but what does that say exactly? That he’s better than a dude, who had zero NBA front office experience before the Kings and who will never be an exec again?
Davion was a handful of BPA options that was on everyone’s radar. I wouldn’t have picked him, but what does that say exactly.
Each one of his second rounders have bombed.
And he’s made one big move out of desperation.
Dude is the epitome of a middle manager. Never proactive, always makes the safe play, going to be gone by the deadline when it turns out Fox playing with Domas still equals more losses than wins, because neither can shoot outside of the paint area consistently and Fox continues to be a matador on defense 95% of the time while Domas is struggling to contain the interior scoring.
ridingagain
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I'm surprised by your frequent negative comments about middle managers. My middle managers are critical to organization success and i would never describe them as "never proactive and always making the safe play...." Sounds like your middle managers have some real development areas you should address
gunks
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With the exception of stars colluding to form super teams, you don't really see a team go from dumpster fire to playoffs in less than 3 offseasons.
I think it's still too soon to make a call on McNair. Fox and Sabonis could be an awesome core with a legit coach and more shooting around them. If he strikes out on his coach pick and/or Sabonis walks in FA I think we can get the pitchforks out, but as of right now he's done a decent job of cleaning up Vlade's mess, and that's with a moron of an owner looking over his shoulder.
This is definitely a make or break offseason though.
I think it's still too soon to make a call on McNair. Fox and Sabonis could be an awesome core with a legit coach and more shooting around them. If he strikes out on his coach pick and/or Sabonis walks in FA I think we can get the pitchforks out, but as of right now he's done a decent job of cleaning up Vlade's mess, and that's with a moron of an owner looking over his shoulder.
This is definitely a make or break offseason though.
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kb02
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My middle managers aren't in that role for long. Maybe you like keeping yours in that role for a long time, but the stars get promoted or the true middle managers get pushed out. Sounds like you enjoy capping your talent's ceiling. The NFL has a model. You should look into it.
I was talking about LA and LeBron and Haliburton, aka the next LeBron...
Everybody would have picked Haliburton at 4 apparently, except the 7 GMs that didn't pick him 4-11.
THESE are absolutely legit complaints if they happen. I think Monte has earned a bit of faith in the interim.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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Because they either:
1. Have already recycled through the other aspects that have contributed to the sins of his predecessors
OR
2. They don't have anything better to do other than act in desperation because they know their "Mojo" is quickly running out.
kb02
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I would’ve taken him #1 in that draft. Time stamped numerous times. #12 was a no brainer.
The fact of the matter is multiple NBA GMs passed him over. GMs that many here insist are better than Monte, the guy that actually picked him.
I dont know what the heck other GMs were thinking but if you polled this place while the Kings were on the clock, I'd bet big money that 90% would have taken Haliburton.
Yup. He's tied his tenure to being able to resign Sabonis and used the biggest asset the Kings have had in a long time to get him. If Sabonis re-ups, we good. If not? Trading Hali just gets added to the long list of incredible organizational mistakes and probably only 2nd to passing on Luka in terms of damage to the franchise.
It's a tremendous gamble, but he's basically told us since he got here that this was the plan all along. Stay flexible, draft well and swipe for a star when one becomes available. The beauty is he still has all the team flexibility to keep making moves that you normally have to give up in a trade for a guy like Sabonis.
I think it's worth noting that we also got better across the board at almost every spot in the deal. Yes, there's still some risk that Bagley puts it all together and DDV goes out and gets some crazy offer and we either have to match an overpay or let him walk, but he's only been here ~18 months at this point and has upgraded us across the board, turned a 2020 12th overall into Sabonis, and only made one bad move (Wright for TT, who wound up being moved in the Sabonis deal anyways).
That really isn't the point I'm trying to make. Which is that all these other people that are supposed to be so much smarter than Monte for some reason passed him up, but people here keep saying Monte doesn't get any credit. It's just being stubborn to not give him any credit.
I still wanted Saddiq Bey but I had no problem with Monte taking Haliburton. And in (slight) retrospect, I think Monte made the right call even if it meant a logjam at PG for a season and a half. A subset of fans were going to turn on Fox as soon as his new salary kicked in regardless and that season and a half of Haliburton got us Sabonis who is objectively better than anyone we could have drafted there. That shows me Monte knows how to maximize draft capital and also how to trade for fit without sacrificing talent.
Chupacabra
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I consider one example of much darker times to be pre-trade deadline this season, or when Mike Malone got fired because pace, etc. The team we have now can't be judged by 16 years of losing. This roster and front office hasn't been together for 16 years.
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