ESPN: OMG, They Played Kenny -- Is Cap-Related Deal Next?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090106
Updated: January 6, 2009, 3:16 AM ET

  • Bill Kostroun /Associated Press
    Who's that guy next to Kenny Thomas? It's Vince Carter, soaring for two of his 29 in the Nets' win.

By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- "No, that wasn't a showcase."

Those were the words of Sacramento Kings coach Kenny Natt, though it should be noted that Natt emitted a hearty belly laugh before providing that answer when the subject was raised whether Thomas had been showcased in Monday night's 98-90 loss to the New Jersey Nets.

But since Thomas sightings are about as rare as full solar eclipses, and with the 6-foot-7 forward logging 24 minutes -- playing the entire second and fourth quarters -- the showcasing radar was on full tilt.

"It felt weird," said Thomas, who converted his only field goal attempt, thereby making it onto the scoreboard for the first time since Dec. 14, 2007. "I've always had good relationship with Kenny Natt, and right now he's trying to find something that'll click."

Asked whether he felt he was being showcased, Thomas replied: "I don't know, to be honest. I can't look at it like that. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. There have been times when teams have tried to call, from my understanding, but I really don't know what [the Kings] are thinking.

"I haven't played in a year, so I was just happy to play."

In terms of getting the most bang for the buck, Thomas might be the absolute worst value in the NBA. In the next-to-last year of a seven-year, $49 million contract he signed with Philadelphia before being shipped to Sacramento in the Chris Webber trade, Thomas is earning $8.6 million this season and will make $8.8 next season.

Sacramento general manager Geoff Petrie has repeatedly tried to include Thomas in deals he has discussed over the past three seasons with various NBA teams, but Thomas' contract was always a deal-breaker.

But is that still the case?

With Brad Miller considered the most obtainable player on the Kings roster (he makes $11.3M this season and $12.2M next season), it would be reasonable to believe that Petrie might be trying to move Miller and Thomas as a package.

Just a thought, but wouldn't it make sense for both teams if Sacramento were to trade Miller and Thomas to New York for Stephon Marbury? The Knicks would address their big man deficiency, would not be taking on any salary past 2010, and would be providing the Kings with $21 million of salary cap space for this summer.

Another thought: with Larry Brown seeking some size, and with Brown being a big Thomas fan from their time together in Philadelphia, might it make sense for Charlotte to send Adam Morrison and a spare part to Sacramento for Thomas and John Salmons, the latter of whom is none too happy about his lack of touches since Kevin Martin returned from an ankle injury.

By scoring two points, Thomas removed himself from the list of players who have appeared in at least one NBA game this season but have failed to score a single point. (That list is now down to Calvin Booth of Minnesota, Darius Miles of Memphis, Jeremy Richardson of Orlando, DJ Mbenga of the Lakers, Martell Webster of Portland and Linton Johnson of Charlotte).

"Obviously Kenny is hungry, he came in and gave us a lift," Natt said. "He played great D, had four steals and eight rebounds -- that's his role that he plays. It's not about scoring baskets, it's more about him defending and rebounding -- the things he does well, and I thought he stayed with his strengths and gave us a lift. One thing Kenny has always been able to do in this league, and that's defend. He's our best post defender, he has quick hands, he can move his feet, and when he has his head right, he can be one of the better rebounders. And those are things we really need right now."

See that? Natt is talking him up, too.

Isn't that one of the things you do when you showcase someone?

That's why we're a little skeptical that the Natt quote you read in the first paragraph is 100 percent truthful.

"As long as he continued to play the way he's playing now, you'll see him out on the floor. You'll see another sighting," Natt said.

But will it be with the Kings? And if so, will it convince someone that Kenny Thomas can still be a contributor? Stay tuned.




Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
 
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(Kenny) Thomas replied: "I don't know, to be honest. I can't look at it like that. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. There have been times when teams have tried to call, from my understanding, but I really don't know what [the Kings] are thinking.
Join the club.
 
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might it make sense for Charlotte to send Adam Morrison and a spare part to Sacramento for Thomas and John Salmons, the latter of whom is none too happy about his lack of touches since Kevin Martin returned from an ankle injury.
My god I would seriously disown this team if Petrie made this deal for Adam Morrison.....although he is the type of player Petrie tends to like he is pretty much worthless for this team(or any team for that matter).
 
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With Brad Miller considered the most obtainable player on the Kings roster (he makes $11.3M this season and $12.2M next season), it would be reasonable to believe that Petrie might be trying to move Miller and Thomas as a package.

Just a thought, but wouldn't it make sense for both teams if Sacramento were to trade Miller and Thomas to New York for Stephon Marbury? The Knicks would address their big man deficiency, would not be taking on any salary past 2010, and would be providing the Kings with $21 million of salary cap space for this summer.
YES!!!!!!:D MAKE THIS DEAL!!!!!! Then you cut Marbury loose, and you truely are rebuilding. This would accelerate the process tremendously.
 
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My god I would seriously disown this team if Petrie made this deal for Adam Morrison.....although he is the type of player Petrie tends to like he is pretty much worthless for this team(or any team for that matter).
Agreed. A guy who is supposed to be able to shoot but can't and could never do anything else. Perfect Petrie player. Salmons has his problems, but I'm sure the Kings could do better than getting absolutely nothing for him.
 
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YES!!!!!!:D MAKE THIS DEAL!!!!!! Then you cut Marbury loose, and you truely are rebuilding. This would accelerate the process tremendously.
Problem: Marbury in bad shape is still better than Beno. There's a real danger that Marbury would turn into a 35 minute per game player on this team, win an extra game or two, costing us draft position. So yeah, I'm for dumping Miller and Kenny, but I don't trust the team to leave Marbury on the sidelines, where he belongs.
 
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My god I would seriously disown this team if Petrie made this deal for Adam Morrison.....although he is the type of player Petrie tends to like he is pretty much worthless for this team(or any team for that matter).
I think he is actually an expiring contract. I really can't see us wanting him for his talent. The spare part would need to be a draft pick or something goo though or else this is just making a deal for the sake of making a deal.
 
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YES!!!!!!:D MAKE THIS DEAL!!!!!! Then you cut Marbury loose, and you truely are rebuilding. This would accelerate the process tremendously.

My only reservations about the Brad/Kenny for Marbury deal is that those two contracts might actually be valuable next season. If Petrie has his eye on some free agents this offseason than the deal makes sense. However, if not, than we are wasting two potentially valuable trading chips next season for nothing.
 
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I'm only willing to endorse that deal if we immediately cut FSM. Don't even issue him a jersey number. Just cut his sorry butt and let him sign with Boston for the vet minimum.
 
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My god I would seriously disown this team if Petrie made this deal for Adam Morrison.....although he is the type of player Petrie tends to like he is pretty much worthless for this team(or any team for that matter).
Uh no, Morrison is not a Petrie type player at all. Sure, he can shoot and Petrie values shooting, but Petrie likes his unathletic shooters to at least have size OR athleticism. Think about it:

-Thompson = Has size, fairly athletic, decent jumpshot
-Hawes = Great size, fairly athletic, decent jumpshot
-Douby = Has size for the PG spot, however busted at SG, great jumpshot
-Garcia = Has size to play the 2/3 well, good shooter, has other skills
-Martin = Very athletic, very quick, great shooter, has other skills
-Wallace = Elite level athlete, versatile skillset
-Hedo = Has great size and mobility for the SF position
-Peja = Has great size and mobility for the SF position

I could go on, but it's clear that Petrie likes his players either big or athletic. Morrison is 6'8, average size and average athleticism = not a Petrie type pick.
 
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My only reservations about the Brad/Kenny for Marbury deal is that those two contracts might actually be valuable next season. If Petrie has his eye on some free agents this offseason than the deal makes sense. However, if not, than we are wasting two potentially valuable trading chips next season for nothing.
Certainly possible, but unlikely (unless you have some King alumnus helping you in the background, like Jerry West probably did for the Lakers with Memphis).

Brad and KT have little value (well, KT has none), except for their expiring status next year. There might be a very rare scenario, in which a team might be willing to part with some young talent/pick to bring Brad on board, in order to get some veteran savvy and size for a deep playoff run. This too is assuming that Brad plays much better in a contract year.

Given the sizes of contracts, there shall need to be other major pieces involved, which are likely to make even this remote possibility quite difficult.

As for rebuilding teams that might want them for cap space, well, why would we want their overpriced vets, and a rebuilding team is unlikely to part with their young star. A rare scenario like Bobcats might work out (given that both Jordan and Brown might want to make a playoff push), but even that might be complicated.

If the Marbury deal is on the table, we shall be fools to not pick it up. We can waive Marbury, get cap space for this year, and find more PT for the kids. While free agents in the summer should be the main target, cap space by itself can help. We can take some player off of some team trying to avoid LT, and earn some draft picks in the process (like Thunder did with Suns). We could also use it to facilitate some three team trades, and again help ourselves to some picks for the assistance we provide.
 
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Certainly possible, but unlikely (unless you have some King alumnus helping you in the background, like Jerry West probably did for the Lakers with Memphis).

Brad and KT have little value (well, KT has none), except for their expiring status next year. There might be a very rare scenario, in which a team might be willing to part with some young talent/pick to bring Brad on board, in order to get some veteran savvy and size for a deep playoff run. This too is assuming that Brad plays much better in a contract year.

Given the sizes of contracts, there shall need to be other major pieces involved, which are likely to make even this remote possibility quite difficult.

As for rebuilding teams that might want them for cap space, well, why would we want their overpriced vets, and a rebuilding team is unlikely to part with their young star. A rare scenario like Bobcats might work out (given that both Jordan and Brown might want to make a playoff push), but even that might be complicated.

If the Marbury deal is on the table, we shall be fools to not pick it up. We can waive Marbury, get cap space for this year, and find more PT for the kids. While free agents in the summer should be the main target, cap space by itself can help. We can take some player off of some team trying to avoid LT, and earn some draft picks in the process (like Thunder did with Suns). We could also use it to facilitate some three team trades, and again help ourselves to some picks for the assistance we provide.

Good points. Maybe the Gasol deal is still a little too fresh in my mind.
 
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Unless they are showcasing Thomas I don't want to see him play unless we are down to two bigs.. Even if that was the case I would rather forfeit the game.

Natt, you sir are a retard.
 
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I would honestly like to see Marbury here for the rest of the season. WE would have all youngs and then him. Might be fun!

If we could get away with brad + KT for him then I wouldn't mind it at all. Of course Mikki, Beno and KT sounds better for him >.<