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[Sluggah]

i rarely post. anything.

but i read daily...

and honestly. i'll probably stop soon.

if *i* come off as being one of the more optimistic ones in the group, its a sad, sad day.

its really gotten out of hand.

the sky is NOT falling.

when the hell did everyone become so fickle?

its been a little over a week. and I hear booing? yeah. that should help someone out of a slump.

how bout we give them some time to come together before we whine and pout and fire this guy and trade that guy.

i enjoyed them when they sucked in the past. and i'll continue to do so if they should suck in the future. lets all try and be a little less spoiled and impulsive, and give the players the time and respect they deserve to work through it.

there are positives with this new team.

low post players...increased rebounding...people attacking the rim? madness.

so we have some people who currently aren't doing what we KNOW they CAN do...

perhaps some support could help.

they'll be back.

then maybe i'll be back.

if things lighten/brighten up around here, someone shoot me an email - deadmanplaid@aol.com - i'll try and be more active

 

[Kev.in]

I don't know. This team is looking an awful lot like a lottery team. There's talent out there on the floor. It's not like we have Tyus Edney, Olden Polynice and Walt Williams in the lineup. People are going to be frustrated seeing a team have the same problems game after game, with no hope of improvement and now see them go through scoring troubles. It's bad basketball man.

 

[ONEZERO]

I hear ya sluggah and I'll drink to that post.

Its gonna take time......

All we need to do is keep supporting them, not booing them. If I was at that game and I heard booing, I would have yelled at the top of my lungs, "SHUT THE %$^% UP! AND SIT YOUR A%^ DOWN!!!"

 

[troosvelt]

I agree that it is way too soon to call them a bad team.

But at the same they have not proven themselves to be good either.

 

[Diehard Jim]

the fickleness over every win and loss is crazy. this is in no way a lottery team and as of right now they have the exact same record as they did last year!

This team is going to take at least 1/4 of the season to get to know each others tendancies. and the bench is just not playing well enough together to have adleman leave them on the floor.

This is a brand new team and has the talent but it will take time.

 

[Bricklayer]

the fickleness over every win and loss is crazy. this is in no way a lottery team and as of right now they have the exact same record as they did last year!

This team is going to take at least 1/4 of the season to get to know each others tendancies. and the bench is just not playing well enough together to have adleman leave them on the floor.

This is a brand new team and has the talent but it will take time.

Two problems with that, and one observation:

1) If it takes a 1/4 of the season, there are multiple ways that the season could be lost before we get it together. The new players fracture and play selfishly. The coach gets fired. Trades get made.

2) in the hypothetical where we started 5-15 -- too extreme from my point of view, but within your 1/4 of the season and remotely possible I suspose, we would leave ourselves in actual danger of missing the playoffs. Even if we came roaring through the rest of the season at 42-20 (about a 55-56win pace), that would leave us with 47wins which would likely put us right on the playoff bubble.

The observation: last year we knew what we had. The aging core of a contending team. Lot of pride. Game 7 2pt loss in the WCSF the year before. The uncertainty over Webb's knee aside, we KNEW, or the vast majority of us did, that we were not all of a sudden going to be bad. maybe nto contenders anymore, but still a tough veteran team. Now, however, we know nothing. The team has no history, and even the individual players we have added have lots of questions about them. There is talent here, but no longer any guarantees.

 

[Diehard Jim]

brick,
missed the point, the kings are going to take 1/4 of the season before they start clicking. this team has only 4 games under there belt together, you cannot expect them to click at 100% until then.

If we miss the playoffs than they miss the playoffs. I think the whole point of this post is that people are jumping to conclusions with every loss which is crazy.

We do not have the team we had 2 years ago or even last year.

right now the key with the kings is that the bench which was supposed to be strong, is just plain not working right now! no one can score and the guy (kenny thomas) who was thought would be a huge scorer off the bench is throwing up bricks night in and out.

 

[chelle]

NOT make the playoffs?!! Can you even imagine the outcry that would come. Please, I DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN!!

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

if it meant getting jj redick, then i would, lol jk. it would be nice to have him though. would that make it 28 shooting guards on the kings or 27? =)

 

[Gary]

This team is not a playoff team. Christie, and Webber meant more to this team than we think. I will admit that I was wrong re: their trades. I want them back now

 

[Stojakovic]

This team is not a playoff team. Christie, and Webber meant more to this team than we think. I will admit that I was wrong re: their trades. I want them back now

I would say that Vlade meant a heck of a lot more to this team than anyone else. When he left, so did the heart & spirit of this team.

Christie was getting older and his play has deteriorated (too lazy to check up the spelling, but I'm pretty sure I brutalized the word on this one), while Webber's trade was just the icing on the cake.

 

[sloter]

The players just seem to play with no heart. The Kings used to be exciting to watch, now I wanted to turn the TV off at the halftime...

 

[AriesMar27]

on the real.... i will support this team.....

but **** them..... they had this game and gave the **** away.....

our bench ****ing sucks.... all of them..... **** them too....

im on the verge of being banned but **** it.....

**** peja too.... bibby, reef, brad(sort of) and bonzi are cool.. but **** the rest of this team..... we let our entire bench walk away for nothing......

again, **** them.....

9 points in the 4th? **** what they are going through.....

 

[KP]

This team is not a playoff team. Christie, and Webber meant more to this team than we think. I will admit that I was wrong re: their trades. I want them back now

Admitting your wrong is very rare around here. I applaud you for having the guts to say so. We had our arguments in the past Gary but I take no joy in what I am seeing before me now. A lot of good players but no leader, they can play with anyone for stretches but once the pressure starts they fold like a deck of cards, they are looking around for someone to take over and they see no one. I had hoped Mike could be that guy, but it's becoming apparent he's not. They are not bad players, they are good players but this is that intangible thing I was always pointing to and why I was so upset when Webb was traded. When Vlade left it hurt, but the team was still able to compete at a high level and at least be one of the best offensive teams in the league(although not quite what they were with him). They need to get right at home and they will have a chance to come together but I don't think they can even count on the crowd at Arco to pick them up anymore, from what I saw last night we have a lot of confused and disillusioned fans. They thought when Webber was gone and they older players were moved we would be so much more fluid, rebound and defend better. Well... we can't score anymore, I never thought I would have to worry about that with this team but it's the truth. No more 25 assists a game no more 103 pt a game scoring avg, and we still can't rebound or stop anybody. Brutal.

 

[Gary]

Thanks KP..

We cant score yet we have a TON of scorers on our team. What gives? I hate to say it, but it may be time to do some housecleaning with the coaching staff, and a few of the players.

Peja: Obviously he isn't the same player w/o Vlade. Trade him while his value is up.

Bibby: Obviously he isn't the leader he made himself out to be. He is a shoot first PG, and is mixing up leadership with shooting. Trade him..

Miller: Center is a hard position to fill, BUT I am sure any PF out there we can throw in the center position can give us 7rpg, and 15ppg while playing better D than Miller. Trade him...

Wells: Too early to tell. In a contract year, so after this year it's time to develop Martin. After this year cya!

SAR: Seems to be the only guy out there trying. He has a deal of a contract, and does not count much against the books for what he can give us. Keep him.

The bench.... Ouch. On paper one of the best in the league. The way Adleman is playing them they look like the worst in the league. Get rid of everyone BUT Skinner.

Adleman: GTFO! (get the f**K out) I will drive him to the airport.

 

[KP]

Thanks KP..

We cant score yet we have a TON of scorers on our team. What gives? I hate to say it, but it may be time to do some housecleaning with the coaching staff, and a few of the players.

Peja: Obviously he isn't the same player w/o Vlade. Trade him while his value is up.

Bibby: Obviously he isn't the leader he made himself out to be. He is a shoot first PG, and is mixing up leadership with shooting. Trade him..

Miller: Center is a hard position to fill, BUT I am sure any PF out there we can throw in the center position can give us 7rpg, and 15ppg while playing better D than Miller. Trade him...

Wells: Too early to tell. In a contract year, so after this year it's time to develop Martin. After this year cya!

SAR: Seems to be the only guy out there trying. He has a deal of a contract, and does not count much against the books for what he can give us. Keep him.

The bench.... Ouch. On paper one of the best in the league. The way Adleman is playing them they look like the worst in the league. Get rid of everyone BUT Skinner.

Adleman: GTFO! (get the f**K out) I will drive him to the airport.

Agree with all of it.

 

[Stojakovic]

Gary, you must not like the Kings very much.

Trade Bibby, Miller and Peja ? Throw out Adelman ?

Ehhh.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Make up your mind, Gary; are we developing Martin, or getting rid of him?

 

[love_them_kings]

I would say that Vlade meant a heck of a lot more to this team than anyone else. When he left, so did the heart & spirit of this team.

Christie was getting older and his play has deteriorated (too lazy to check up the spelling, but I'm pretty sure I brutalized the word on this one), while Webber's trade was just the icing on the cake.

Vlade was a huge loss to this team, but Webb and and Christie were too. Losing all three of them (and Bobby to boot) took away the most passionate players on our team in the span of a season. Can we recover from that? Of course, but it might not be as easy as some people thought.

 

[KP]

Gary, you must not like the Kings very much.

Trade Bibby, Miller and Peja ? Throw out Adelman ?

Ehhh.

Obviously it's to early to trade anybody yet, but if things keep up like they have been going, I would hope Petrie would actually get some talent for these guys before their weaknesses are exposed anymore. Without their old teamates the "Core/Big 3" was weak in the playoffs last year and weak to start off this year, they haven't shown us any evidence yet that this will change. They could get it together but If they don't, some trades Could, and IMO opinion Should, be made before the trade deadline.

 

[Stojakovic]

Obviously it's to early to trade anybody yet, but if things keep up like they have been going, I would hope Petrie would actually get some talent for these guys before their weaknesses are exposed anymore. Without their old teamates the "Core/Big 3" was weak in the playoffs last year and weak to start off this year, they haven't shown us any evidence yet that this will change. They could get it together but If they don't, some trades Could, and IMO opinion Should, be made before the trade deadline.

Mike, Brad and Peja are all very good players. The problem at this time is that this team simply does not click. You could bring in a star into this team, and that star would resemble a role player with this unit. These guys have not had enough time to play together, which was clearly evident tonight. Their transition defense is horrible, and our offense is not where it should be. Peja was our hottest player tonight, and there was a stretch late in the game where he was ignored for 5-6 minutes and that's where the Nuggets made their run. I think once they get to know each other better, we'll see a vast improvement in their games. I don't think this is a championship team, but I certainly think that they could make it as an underdog in the playoffs.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

Make up your mind, Gary; are we developing Martin, or getting rid of him?

I'd keep and develop Cisco instead. He looks like he has some guts. (not that Kevin doesn't.. just doesn't have a very good shot to work with)

 

[KP]

Mike, Brad and Peja are all very good players. The problem at this time is that this team simply does not click. You could bring in a star into this team, and that star would resemble a role player with this unit. These guys have not had enough time to play together, which was clearly evident tonight. Their transition defense is horrible, and our offense is not where it should be. Peja was our hottest player tonight, and there was a stretch late in the game where he was ignored for 5-6 minutes and that's where the Nuggets made their run. I think once they get to know each other better, we'll see a vast improvement in their games. I don't think this is a championship team, but I certainly think that they could make it as an underdog in the playoffs.

I think youre wrong but that doesn't mean you are it's just my opinion. And I will conceed that we don't know anything 100% sure yet, but one thing I do know for sure is that we will see if it's just that they don't know each other or not, because this excuse will only last for so long. It's not even that they are 1-4 or that they are losing it's HOW they are losing, including last year and the playoffs. As good as Reef and Bonzi have been, I think this team as it is presently put together will only go as far as Brad, Mike, and Pejas heart, desire, and skill will carry them. They have the last trait in abundance... it's the first two that we haven't seen evidence of since the trade deadline last year. We are 17-21 since then. Like it or not they are the leaders of this team now and they have to do more or we will keep losing.

 

[SacTownKid]

This team is not a playoff team. Christie, and Webber meant more to this team than we think. I will admit that I was wrong re: their trades. I want them back now

You do understand that that team was in a state of major decline. Right?

Before you can get better you sometimes have to get worse. We'll come out this one way or another.

 

[KP]

You do understand that that team was in a state of major decline. Right?

Before you can get better you sometimes have to get worse. We'll come out this one way or another.

One shot that rattled in and out from the WCF by a team who has only ever gotten there once is not exactly "major" decline. WE never even got a chance to see what that team could have done if left untouched last year, you can only guess at this point. I think what we are saying is that you are now seeing the major decline you thought we were in. The team that started for us at the beginning of the year last year would wipe the floor with these guys in a playoff series, it wouldn't even be close. The team that got run out of the playoffs in the first round, with Garbage man talking **** about how soft we were...that's major decline. The team gets blown out in their home opener that they haven't lost in 7 years(by a team they have beaten 8 times in a row at Arco), thats major decline. Can't you see whats happening STK?

 

[SacTownKid]

One shot that rattled in and out from the WCF by a team who has only ever gotten there once is not exactly "major" decline. WE never even got a chance to see what that team could have done if left untouched last year, you can only guess at this point. I think what we are saying is that you are now seeing the major decline you thought we were in. The team that started for us at the beginning of the year last year would wipe the floor with these guys in a playoff series, it wouldn't even be close. The team that got run out of the playoffs in the first round, with Garbage man talking **** about how soft we were...that's major decline. The team gets blown out in their home opener that they haven't lost in 7 years(by a team they have beaten 8 times in a row at Arco), thats major decline. Can't you see whats happening STK?

I saw what was happening last year. We had a fairly good record, but were dominated by nearly every good team in the league, I believe we were somewhere near the worst record in the league against playoff teams.

And look at that team, even they started off slow, and got blown out early on. It will probably take longer for this team to get it going, but weren't we talking about this same thing last year? Move WEBBER! Move Peja!

So now you want to go back? I say give this team a chance! Thats the least we can do, SUPPORT OUR TEAM!!!!

 

[KP]

It will probably take longer for this team to get it going, but weren't we talking about this same thing last year? Move WEBBER! Move Peja!

So now you want to go back? I say give this team a chance! Thats the least we can do, SUPPORT OUR TEAM!!!!

I don't have to go back, I didn't say any of that. My track record is pretty well known around here I think. You don't know what that team would have done in the playoffs, the year before they struggled when Webb came back at the end of the season, but like I said with his and Dougs presence we were still able to come within a basket of the WCF's and take the Wolves to 7 games. The team last year barely won a game in the 1st round. This team may not even make it to the playoffs.

 

[Stojakovic]

One shot that rattled in and out from the WCF by a team who has only ever gotten there once is not exactly "major" decline. WE never even got a chance to see what that team could have done if left untouched last year, you can only guess at this point. I think what we are saying is that you are now seeing the major decline you thought we were in. The team that started for us at the beginning of the year last year would wipe the floor with these guys in a playoff series, it wouldn't even be close. The team that got run out of the playoffs in the first round, with Garbage man talking **** about how soft we were...that's major decline. The team gets blown out in their home opener that they haven't lost in 7 years(by a team they have beaten 8 times in a row at Arco), thats major decline. Can't you see whats happening STK?

I think what qualifies as major decline is that last year's team was substantially worse than the team the year before. The team we had the year before was more talented and didn't win the championship. The one we had last year was struggling and wasn't nearly as talented. Maloofs saw an aging team and pulled the trigger (which even I agree was not the best move, at least not for Thomas and crew). Short term certainly a bad deal, but it does leave things more open long term.

 

[KP]

but it does leave things more open long term.

Sto, how could you possibly know that?

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't have to go back, I didn't say any of that. My track record is pretty well known around here I think. You don't know what that team would have done in the playoffs, the year before they struggled when Webb came back at the end of the season, but like I said with his and Dougs presence we were still able to come within a basket of the WCF's and take the Wolves to 7 games. The team last year barely won a game in the 1st round. This team may not even make it to the playoffs.

There's no doubt that Webber, Doug, (and Vlade) were a critical part to the success of that team, but all I am saying is those years were great, but lets at least see what the coming year brings. Right now things look bleak on and off the court but I still think there may be a little magic left in the tank.

Another thing is the next stretch of games is going to be very important to the outcome of this year. Adelman has the ability to set up practice now that the Kings are at home for a stretch, this is the time where we need to see improvement.