Do we have a big wing?

sactowndog

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Most great teams have 6-9 to 6-11 wing that can shoot the 3? The Kings have lots of 6-5 wings and 6-10 to 7-0 centers. If we draft Ayton who can defend and play the wing? Since the short guys can’t stretch it would need to be one of WCS (unlikely), KK (really unlikely), Skal ( can shoot but to slow), Ayton (?), Giles ( not the shooter)

If Porter were healthy he would be our pick for sure but medical questions abound. Generally I agree you draft for BPA but the Kings are taking this notion a bit far with the huge donut hole in our line up.
 
We don't have jack besides a decent SG rotation (Hopefully Fox/Mason grow into a good PG rotation, but they are still all potential right now).

At pick 2 you go BPA. With our junk roster you go BPA, because BPA will also be best fit.

And if we take Porter for some reason I'm gonna be a mad Kings fan. He's a chucker with a suspect back. I wouldn't have wanted him at 7.
 
I've been hoping for a SF/PF type of player with 3pt range for a while. Like you, I thought maybe Porter could be that guy but it doesn't seem likely now. It should definitely be something they are looking for but other than maybe SG no one has proven themselves the long-term answer and I don't think we are talented enough for the FO to get overly focused on one position or need.
 
We don't have jack besides a decent SG rotation (Hopefully Fox/Mason grow into a good PG rotation, but they are still all potential right now).

At pick 2 you go BPA. With our junk roster you go BPA, because BPA will also be best fit.

And if we take Porter for some reason I'm gonna be a mad Kings fan. He's a chucker with a suspect back. I wouldn't have wanted him at 7.

I agree but I would substitute the word "decent" with "formidable" especially with clutch play of Boggy and Buddy in the final two minutes and the way Buddy defended down the stretch. Assuming there is carryover to next year with this hawkishness, suddenly Buddy becomes valuable presence when he is NOT making his shots.

While you speak truth about our "junk roster" with only three core players relative to the resources over three mud-spinning years, the draft on the heals of our incredible lottery fortune is the relatively "easy" part.

Similar to the way Fox was the no-brainer choice at #5, I feel like Vlade will be validated at #2 even if he's asleep between now and draft day.

If he takes Luka, he is going to experience a payoff. If he takes Bagley, he is going to experience a payoff.

These guys are TOO talented not to perform and more or less justify their selection.

Just like Donovan this year, there may be guys afterwards who prove even better selections in retrospect.

But it is going to be hard to pick a "bust" even if you try!

If the Suns are foolhardy enough to pass on Ayton, Vlade experiences a payoff too and is hailed as hometown hero.

The real work begins after the draft....with free agency and trades.

This is where a real GM earns his money.

Just like last year the #10 was where the challenge began....and led to the selection of G-Leaguer Jackson and a guy held out from competition.

And if history is any indicator this is where the tomfoolery begins. :rolleyes:
 
Doncic is more "strong" versus fleet of foot which to me means defensively he will be more of a pf/sf on the defensive end.

Bjlecia is another big tweener but with deadly 3pt shooting i want kings to add.


Fox
Buddy/bogs
Doncic/Bates
Bjlecia/Bates
Giles/Wcs
 
I agree but I would substitute the word "decent" with "formidable" especially with clutch play of Boggy and Buddy in the final two minutes and the way Buddy defended down the stretch. Assuming there is carryover to next year with this hawkishness, suddenly Buddy becomes valuable presence when he is NOT making his shots.

While you speak truth about our "junk roster" with only three core players relative to the resources over three mud-spinning years, the draft on the heals of our incredible lottery fortune is the relatively "easy" part.

Similar to the way Fox was the no-brainer choice at #5, I feel like Vlade will be validated at #2 even if he's asleep between now and draft day.

If he takes Luka, he is going to experience a payoff. If he takes Bagley, he is going to experience a payoff.

These guys are TOO talented not to perform and more or less justify their selection.

Just like Donovan this year, there may be guys afterwards who prove even better selections in retrospect.

But it is going to be hard to pick a "bust" even if you try!

If the Suns are foolhardy enough to pass on Ayton, Vlade experiences a payoff too and is hailed as hometown hero.

The real work begins after the draft....with free agency and trades.

This is where a real GM earns his money.

Just like last year the #10 was where the challenge began....and led to the selection of G-Leaguer Jackson and a guy held out from competition.

And if history is any indicator this is where the tomfoolery begins. :rolleyes:

That Jackson pick over OG....man, still kills me. Giles at 20 is just fine. Jackson though, hard to see him ever being more than a bench SF. Just does nothing above average.

OG brought in the least an elite level of defense potential to the table to start with
 
I agree but I would substitute the word "decent" with "formidable" especially with clutch play of Boggy and Buddy in the final two minutes and the way Buddy defended down the stretch. Assuming there is carryover to next year with this hawkishness, suddenly Buddy becomes valuable presence when he is NOT making his shots.

I dunno if I'd say "formidable" yet, but I think they can get there! Bogs and Buddy were the bright spots last season.
 
If you
Doncic is more "strong" versus fleet of foot which to me means defensively he will be more of a pf/sf on the defensive end.

Bjlecia is another big tweener but with deadly 3pt shooting i want kings to add.


Fox
Buddy/bogs
Doncic/Bates
Bjlecia/Bates
Giles/Wcs

Bjelica is a stretch four and not a small forward. In fact, unless you count Durant, the only starter quality SFs available in free agency this year are Jabari Parker, Trevor Ariza, and maybe Rodney Hood. I'd take a gamble on Jabari Parker but I see him as more of a PF than a SF and I think the Bucks probably match. Ariza is a guy I wouldn't pay big money for him to start at SF at this point in his career and Hood is a little too one dimensional for what he'll likely cost.

So a starting SF would likely have to come from the draft or trade.

Bjelica I'd like as a stretch 4 just because he is so consistent from outside but he's also a RFA so Minnesota would have to not match. Ersan Ilyasova isn't quite the same shooter but a slightly better rebounder and likely wouldn't put a large dent in the Kings salary cap situation. Mirotic was a guy I thought would also be worth pursuing but he's under contract for another year so unless the Pels decide to re-sign Boogie and need to shed salary that likely won't happen.

As long as we're talking free agents I'd like to see the King go after, Seth Curry is another, especially if the Kings take either Ayton or Doncic. If it's Ayton you want the extra floor spacer and if it's Doncic then Curry is free to be a shooter/scorer because Doncic (and Bogdanovic) can handle a lot of the playmaking if they are on the floor together.
 
Most great teams have 6-9 to 6-11 wing that can shoot the 3? The Kings have lots of 6-5 wings and 6-10 to 7-0 centers. If we draft Ayton who can defend and play the wing? Since the short guys can’t stretch it would need to be one of WCS (unlikely), KK (really unlikely), Skal ( can shoot but to slow), Ayton (?), Giles ( not the shooter)

If Porter were healthy he would be our pick for sure but medical questions abound. Generally I agree you draft for BPA but the Kings are taking this notion a bit far with the huge donut hole in our line up.

I think it’s a bit foolhardy to look at the success of other teams and say, “Gosh, look at how good team X is with their big wings. WE need one of those!” Most of the time, it’s the individual player that makes the impact, rather than a supposed type. When you’re a perennial lottery team like the Kings without an obvious star player already in hand, you can only value one thing: the acquisition of talent. Find a top flight player. Then find another. Then you start hunting for the necessary pieces to balance and fill out the roster. Worrying about whether or not the Kings have a “big wing” that can shoot the 3 is quite a few steps ahead of where their focus should be. They must first identify the player in this draft who they believe can successfully develop into an all-star level talent. If that player happens to fit a particular mold, then so be it. But you look at the player, not the mold.
 
I think it’s a bit foolhardy to look at the success of other teams and say, “Gosh, look at how good team X is with their big wings. WE need one of those!” Most of the time, it’s the individual player that makes the impact, rather than a supposed type. When you’re a perennial lottery team like the Kings without an obvious star player already in hand, you can only value one thing: the acquisition of talent. Find a top flight player. Then find another. Then you start hunting for the necessary pieces to balance and fill out the roster. Worrying about whether or not the Kings have a “big wing” that can shoot the 3 is quite a few steps ahead of where their focus should be. They must first identify the player in this draft who they believe can successfully develop into an all-star level talent. If that player happens to fit a particular mold, then so be it. But you look at the player, not the mold.

I don't always agree with you, but I'm glad you (and a number of other former "regulars") are back.

Now, where's GoGoGadget?
 
I think it’s a bit foolhardy to look at the success of other teams and say, “Gosh, look at how good team X is with their big wings. WE need one of those!” Most of the time, it’s the individual player that makes the impact, rather than a supposed type. When you’re a perennial lottery team like the Kings without an obvious star player already in hand, you can only value one thing: the acquisition of talent. Find a top flight player. Then find another. Then you start hunting for the necessary pieces to balance and fill out the roster. Worrying about whether or not the Kings have a “big wing” that can shoot the 3 is quite a few steps ahead of where their focus should be. They must first identify the player in this draft who they believe can successfully develop into an all-star level talent. If that player happens to fit a particular mold, then so be it. But you look at the player, not the mold.

Generally I agree with you and it’s especially true with wings. It’s somewhat less true with Bigs because it’s hard to move them elsewhere on the court.

Remember even the best advice is seldom absolute.
 
We don't have jack besides a decent SG rotation (Hopefully Fox/Mason grow into a good PG rotation, but they are still all potential right now).

At pick 2 you go BPA. With our junk roster you go BPA, because BPA will also be best fit.

And if we take Porter for some reason I'm gonna be a mad Kings fan. He's a chucker with a suspect back. I wouldn't have wanted him at 7.

I think Vlade thinks we have Giles at center.
 
We don't have jack besides a decent SG rotation (Hopefully Fox/Mason grow into a good PG rotation, but they are still all potential right now).

At pick 2 you go BPA. With our junk roster you go BPA, because BPA will also be best fit.

And if we take Porter for some reason I'm gonna be a mad Kings fan. He's a chucker with a suspect back. I wouldn't have wanted him at 7.

I think, if you accept the Kings view of Giles... we have a good shooting guard and a very good center rotation.
 
Bogie has a 6'11 wingspan and Hield has a 6'9 wingspan.

when you're 6'6, a 6'9 wingspan isn't all that impressive...at least Bogs is noticeable, not saying Hield can't be productive because he has the stature to defend at a high level, he is bulky and filled out, its about lateral and vertical speed, hip flexibility & understanding defensive concepts.
 
We don't have one on the roster, but we could go after ...*gulp* Mario Hezonja on the cheap.

Here's some realistic trade targets:
1. Tobias Harris (top 6-10 SF)
2. TJ Warren (eh, ISO scorer)
3. MKG (no jump shot)
4. Batum (horrible contract)
5. Harkless (hasn't improved nor developed)
6. Parsons (horrible gamble)

Assuming we get Ayton, I would personally trade for another draft pick and draft MPJ. I'd do Bogdan+WCS...not sure if it's enough though.
 
That Jackson pick over OG....man, still kills me. Giles at 20 is just fine. Jackson though, hard to see him ever being more than a bench SF. Just does nothing above average.

OG brought in the least an elite level of defense potential to the table to start with
Definitely! OG did a great job on LeBron James.

The kid is built like a tank and he nailed that cold blooded three to tie Game 3 before LeBron won it.

And let me also add Terrrance Ferguson to the mix (21st overall, one pick after Giles) as a player we bypassed for G Leaguer Jackson.

The Thunder fans are VERY high on this 19 year ofd wing. Check out this kid. He's got awesome potential.

He's skinny but he's got a smooth jumper and he FLIES in the open court.....G-Leaguer Jackson can't do this!

 
I think it’s a bit foolhardy to look at the success of other teams and say, “Gosh, look at how good team X is with their big wings. WE need one of those!” Most of the time, it’s the individual player that makes the impact, rather than a supposed type. When you’re a perennial lottery team like the Kings without an obvious star player already in hand, you can only value one thing: the acquisition of talent. Find a top flight player. Then find another. Then you start hunting for the necessary pieces to balance and fill out the roster. Worrying about whether or not the Kings have a “big wing” that can shoot the 3 is quite a few steps ahead of where their focus should be. They must first identify the player in this draft who they believe can successfully develop into an all-star level talent. If that player happens to fit a particular mold, then so be it. But you look at the player, not the mold.

I couldn't agree more. Especially now that we're picking at #2. We were gifted an opportunity to draft a superstar here. Let's make the most of that opportunity and then figure out what happens next. The draft is often an excellent opportunity to make a trade as well. This doesn't have to be a trade involving our first round pick. We could try to move up into the end of the first round with our second pick or try to grab whatever extra piece compliments our new core. If we get Ayton we can look for a SF to trade for. If we get Doncic we could look for a stretch 4 or maybe just a defensive specialist to compliment our suddenly formidable fleet of playmakers and shooters on the wings. Other teams will be dealing to sort out their core group too and we have some young pieces that other teams may find intriguing if we decide they're not a great fit for us going forward.
 
I think it’s a bit foolhardy to look at the success of other teams and say, “Gosh, look at how good team X is with their big wings. WE need one of those!” Most of the time, it’s the individual player that makes the impact, rather than a supposed type. When you’re a perennial lottery team like the Kings without an obvious star player already in hand, you can only value one thing: the acquisition of talent. Find a top flight player. Then find another. Then you start hunting for the necessary pieces to balance and fill out the roster. Worrying about whether or not the Kings have a “big wing” that can shoot the 3 is quite a few steps ahead of where their focus should be. They must first identify the player in this draft who they believe can successfully develop into an all-star level talent. If that player happens to fit a particular mold, then so be it. But you look at the player, not the mold.
Music to my ears!

I don't understand how people keep bringing this up and point to Golden State as an example. It works for GSW because they have 3 perennial all-start and arguably 3 Hall of Famers at those positions (certainly two). Portland is a "cheap" imitation of GSW and they are struggling to progress in play offs.

Houston also has 2 HOFs in their back court. Give me a couple of HOFs in the front court and some reasonable cap flexibility and I will change the direction of the NBA too.

Its a perimeter oriented game because there are not many genuine HOF front court players. Its not because all of a sudden perimeter players are all the ish!

In an ideal basketball world you want a stud C or stud PF, a stud PG and an all-star level SF type and you can match up and cause all sorts of fits for the opposing teams.
 
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