Desert Island Video Game Draft Playoffs - FINALS (#1 Löwenherz vs. #2 Padrino)

Whose video games would you prefer on your island?

  • Löwenherz

  • Padrino


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Here it is! The finals...with nary a single upset so far in the entire bracket! (Which raises the irritating question: should we even bother voting in the future?)
 
I've really enjoyed this particular Desert Island Draft, in part because video games are not the media arena in which I'm the most well-versed. That's made it a genuine pleasure to gather up so many recommendations from all of you that I intend to play in the months and years to come. It's also made it rather ironic that these playoffs are the deepest I've ever gone in a Desert Island Draft. Hah.

I thank all of those who decided to toss votes my way in the prior rounds and here in the finals. Considering just how varied taste in games have been amongst all of the drafters, I had no expectations regarding seeding and voting outcomes. That said, I'm quite proud of the list I created, and I'm happy that others have found appreciation in it, as well. :)

Good luck to @Löwenherz, who was very deserving of the #1 seed. Killer f***ing list. 👍
 
I've really enjoyed this particular Desert Island Draft, in part because video games are not the media arena in which I'm the most well-versed. That's made it a genuine pleasure to gather up so many recommendations from all of you that I intend to play in the months and years to come. It's also made it rather ironic that these playoffs are the deepest I've ever gone in a Desert Island Draft. Hah.

I thank all of those who decided to toss votes my way in the prior rounds and here in the finals. Considering just how varied taste in games have been amongst all of the drafters, I had no expectations regarding seeding and voting outcomes. That said, I'm quite proud of the list I created, and I'm happy that others have found appreciation in it, as well. :)

Good luck to @Löwenherz, who was very deserving of the #1 seed. Killer f***ing list. 👍

I’m fully in the “just happy to be here” phase.

Squaring off against my #1 ranked list is bittersweet. But should I go down now, it’s all worth it to be able to hand over this long rusted and brittle Video Game Draft Champion’s crown no one remembers I have to Padrino.

Despite saying he just recently returned to the hobby, Padrino put together a diverse, deep, and artistically interesting roster that has something for everyone while also being authentically autobiographical and not sacrificing satisfyingly complex and rich mechanics and narratives.

Regardless of the outcome, I look at my own roster fully satisfied with a list that from top to bottom fills me with joy. On top of that, at minimum I’ve encouraged hrdboild to try Skies of Arcadia and Padrino to look at Bioshock: Infinite. That is all the victory I need.

My only regret being I couldn’t include Civ II, StarCraft, Valkyria Chronicles, Shadow over Mystara, and Mirror’s Edge (and Mega Man 9) to really offer a complete picture of my gaming journey for the past 35 years.

… well, and Padrino taking Link to the Past.

Killer f’ing list right back at ya.
 
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Here it is! The finals...with nary a single upset so far in the entire bracket! (Which raises the irritating question: should we even bother voting in the future?)
What I find interesting about that fact (which may not hold) was that you had said in the private participant lists the votes were all over the place and that virtually every list was someone else's favorite and least favorite. And yet chalk through the finals. So odd.
 
Interest tier list:

S
Super Metroid
GoldenEye 007
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

A
Super Mario Bros. 3
Mega Man X

Disco Elysium

B
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Chrono Trigger

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mortal Kombat II

Hollow Knight
Citizen Sleeper
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Castlevania


C
Bioshock: Infinite
Mass Effect
Elden Ring

Super Mario Kart
Hades

Illusion of Gaia
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt


D
Dark Souls Remaster
Control
No Man's Sky

Odin Sphere
Skies of Arcadia
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredders Revenge
Cyberpunk 2077
Persona 5 Royal

Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition
 
What I find interesting about that fact (which may not hold) was that you had said in the private participant lists the votes were all over the place and that virtually every list was someone else's favorite and least favorite. And yet chalk through the finals. So odd.
Yes, it's really weird. "The Wisdom Of Crowds" and all that...
 
I’d hoped this would be closer for the fun and the drama, but Padrino is The People’s Champion and well deserved.

I’ve got Control, No Man’s Sky, and Citizen Sleeper at the top of my wishlist.
 
I don't have a gimmick or a scoring system this time. I did try going line by line and comparing the picks made in each round and Padrino came out ahead in that exercise mostly because of the picks in the middle rounds. But I didn't pick my games in the order I would have ranked them so that also felt a little too arbitrary for the finals matchup. Ultimately I think both lists are a great mix of old and new which feature some standouts in gameplay mechanics and also some stunning achievements in art direction. You both spotlighted your picks well too, which isn't a requirement but it does make it easier to get a read on the games I'm less (or not at all) familiar with.

Speaking of which... I've played 4 games on @Löwenherz' list, one of them only briefly (TMNT: Shredder's Revenge), one of them extensively (Chrono Trigger) and the other two enough to get the general vibe (Super Mario Kart, Super Mario Bros. 3). I've played only 3 games on @Padrino's list, one of them only briefly (Disco Elysium), and the other two quite a bit when they were new but not at all since (GoldenEye 007, Mortal Kombat II).

Where my enthusiasm gets a little muted is that both lists are lacking in the two genres that I enjoy playing the most, which are: (1) the low-key adventure game where there is no time pressure involved, no real threat of dying, no player stats system to tinker with, and the game provides you with an environment to explore and puzzles to solve at your own pace (examples being Riven/Myst, Stray, Oxenfree, Life is Strange, The Dig or Full Throttle) and (2) the sandbox of gadgets strategy game where you have an array of mechanisms you can build which cascade into each other and a general objective in mind but the game otherwise doesn't intrude upon you in forcing you down any particular path (examples being Settlers II, RollerCoaster Tycoon, SimCity 2000, Factorio, Zoo Tycoon, Windward).

Interestingly, I only used 4 of my own picks on these types of games so maybe they're a little too low-key to spring top of mind in this type of exercise? There are elements of those two genres running through most of my picks though, even if they aren't the featured attraction. Generally speaking, if I play a video game at all I'm not looking for a challenge -- I'm looking for a world that I can relax into. Padrino's list comes closer to meeting this goal with Disco Elysium and No Man's Sky being games where I can decide my own tempo. The Witcher 3 and Elder Scrolls V aren't high on my list of games to try but they appear to have enough exploration in them to keep that part of my brain satisfied. Perhaps Elden Ring too, though the way people describe that game sounds anything but relaxing.

Citizen Sleeper is an interesting case, enough to warrant a separate side panel. It seems like it should align with my interest -- especially with the bold art style and sci-fi theme as cherries on top-- and Padrino even gave me a shout-out in the write-up saying as much. I also play a lot of board games and one of the board games I own (called ISS Vanguard) is a similar mix of sci-fi adventure / rpg set in space with a dice placement mechanic. While I enjoy aspects of both, so far I've resisted the idea of the board game and video game spaces merging together because I have different expectations from each medium. If I'm playing a board game I don't want to have to look at a screen, that's half the point. Yes an app can potentially save with some of the tedium of book keeping but I'd rather designers find better solutions through game design (like maybe just eliminating the tedium?) instead of relying on technology to fix their bad gameplay. If I'm playing a video game I expect a certain level of dynamic movement and animation to make the experience more engrossing. If I'm sat in a chair (generally) by myself interacting with a screen for hours I want to be pulled into the experience not just reading text. Also, crucially, ISS Vanguard is a co-operative game which you share with 3 other people. That's not to say I wouldn't try Citizen Sleeper. But I probably won't be motivated to play it unless I find someone else to share the experience of playing it with.

The theme of Löwenherz' list appears to be the construction of a shelf of "best in class" modern classics with a heavy emphasis on selecting seminal examples of popular action genres. Hades for Roguelike. Hollow Knight for Metroidvania. TMNT: Shredder's Revenge for Beat 'em Up. Persona 5 Royal as a modern jRPG. Bioshock: Infinite as a FPS with a story or to get more buzz-wordy, an Immersive Sim. These are balanced out with the older classics like Chrono Trigger, Super Metroid, Mega Man X, and Super Mario Bros. 3 which are also at/near the top of their respective genres for most who have played them. Padrino's taste appears to run strongly toward action RPGs where the scope of the game world is the key feature and the goal is to immerse yourself in an environment. That describes Elden Ring, The Witcher 3, Skyrim, Dark Souls, Xenoblade Chronicles, and to a lesser extent Mass Effect. Both lists are loaded with games where skill progression is a significant gameplay element, which makes sense. If you're looking for games with depth and replayability to stash on a desert island list that's where RPGs shine.

I've thought more about video games over the course of this draft than I ever expected to in 2025. I've got a PS4 and a whole shelf of games for it that sit largely untouched. Same with my PS1 which is boxed up in a closet with all of the games I once played. My Steam library is mostly filled with games I enjoyed once upon a time but haven't played in awhile or games that I thought looked cool whenever I bought them but (to be honest) probably won't ever play. The best part about this has been seeing the broad scope of games that other people cherish and also getting a brief taste of a lot of titles that I probably would have otherwise overlooked. I don't think it matters too much who wins (easy for me to say!) so I'm not even going to tell you which list I picked, though I've probably dropped enough bread crumbs for you to guess. In terms of who has the best list, it's effectively a tie. You both crushed it. So it's really just a matter of taste at this point.

And with all that being said... good luck to you both!
 
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Interest tier list:

S
Super Metroid
GoldenEye 007
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

A
Super Mario Bros. 3
Mega Man X

Disco Elysium

B
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Chrono Trigger

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mortal Kombat II

Hollow Knight
Citizen Sleeper
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Castlevania


C
Bioshock: Infinite
Mass Effect
Elden Ring

Super Mario Kart
Hades

Illusion of Gaia
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt


D
Dark Souls Remaster
Control
No Man's Sky

Odin Sphere
Skies of Arcadia
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredders Revenge
Cyberpunk 2077
Persona 5 Royal

Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition
I can get down with this format

This is mine


S
3. Disco Elysium: The Final Cut (PC)
4. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (PC)
A
11. No Man's Sky (PC)
8. Cyberpunk 2077 (PC)
B
1. Elden Ring (PC)
5. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim [Special Edition] (PC)
15 Dark Souls
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES)
7. Mass Effect (PC)
1. Chrono Trigger (SNES)
9. XCOM: Enemy Unknown (PS3)
7. Super Metroid (SNES)
5. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES)
11. Super Mario Kart (SNES)
3. Hades (Nintendo Switch)
2. Persona 5 Royal (Nintendo Switch)
C
9. Control (PC)
10. Illusion of Gaia (SNES)
12. Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition (Nintendo Switch)
12. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge (Nintendo Switch)
13. Bioshock: Infinite (PS3)
10. Mega Man X (SNES)
14. Skies of Arcadia (Sega Dreamcast)
D
8. Castlevania (NES)
13. Mortal Kombat II (SNES)
14 Citizen Sleeper (PC)
6. GoldenEye 007 (Nintendo 64)
15 Odin Sphere
4. Hollow Knight (Nintendo Switch)
6. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nintendo 64)
 
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I’d hoped this would be closer for the fun and the drama, but Padrino is The People’s Champion and well deserved.

I’ve got Control, No Man’s Sky, and Citizen Sleeper at the top of my wishlist.

I certainly expected it to be closer. I mean, your list is just banger after banger. 🤘

That said, Persona 5 is currently on sale on Steam, and I just grabbed it. BioShock: Infinite is currently on my Steam wishlist, and I'll be grabbing that one, too, the next time it goes on sale. 👍👍
 
Hrmm... I didn't realize that the term had fallen into disuse?


That... probably didn't produce results that would have provided the necessary clarification.
The only thing that crossed my mind was it's a reference to Gal's cleavage, since it's probably the first thing somebody would notice watching Fight'N Rage gameplay. But I don't think I've ever heard "cheesecake" used like that.
 
The only thing that crossed my mind was it's a reference to Gal's cleavage, since it's probably the first thing somebody would notice watching Fight'N Rage gameplay. But I don't think I've ever heard "cheesecake" used like that.
It's the only way I've heard "cheesecake" used, aside from referring to the literal food.
 
Here it is! The finals...with nary a single upset so far in the entire bracket! (Which raises the irritating question: should we even bother voting in the future?)

Question answered: clearly yes.

Next question: do we really need to drag this out to Sunday? Give Padrino the crown he so richly deserves

I certainly expected it to be closer. I mean, your list is just banger after banger. 🤘

That said, Persona 5 is currently on sale on Steam, and I just grabbed it. BioShock: Infinite is currently on my Steam wishlist, and I'll be grabbing that one, too, the next time it goes on sale. 👍👍

THAT is the only victory I care about.
 
Next question: do we really need to drag this out to Sunday? Give Padrino the crown he so richly deserves
Dirty little secret - I can't see the results, because I haven't voted yet. I haven't voted yet, because I thought that I ought to give the finals the attention it deserved, and I haven't had a chance yet. Well...tonight I'm free...
 
So in my pretty low-effort, vibes-based rankings, Löwenherz and Padrino came out at #1 and #3 respectively (I'll keep my mouth shut and allow each and every fellow drafter the privilege of believing that they were #2...) But it's only fair to give a bit more consideration to the final matchup, even if the rumor is that the result is already decided. Besides, maybe it's interesting to see what a near-non-gamer thinks about the selections!

Of course, since I've only played three of these games, most of this ranking is going to be on the basis of whether I think I'd like to play them or not.


(1) Löwenherz - Super Mario Bros. 3: One of three games I've played on the lists. What do I have to say? Great franchise (I drafted the flagship) and better gameplay than the second installment. I loved the leaf-raccoon element and thought it brought a lot to this side-scrolling platformer. Pretty easy #1 for the Finals.

(2) Padrino - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past: "Link" to the past! Get it?!? OK, fine, I'll get over it. I picked the first two games in the Zelda franchise! The gameplay video shows that this is basically the original Zelda on steroids. Would I play? HELL TO THE YES!

(3) Padrino - No Man's Sky: This pretty much goes down as the game with the best TITLE in the round. Maybe the draft. I have almost no idea what this game is about, but it looks cool as all hell. I'm pumped.

(4) Löwenherz - Super Metroid: Another franchise for which I took the flagship! Seems to have retained the classic 2D side-scroller action with a world map that - if anything - outdoes the original. I would always be down to give Samus Aran another shot!

(5) Padrino - Elden Ring: This is another of the three games on these two lists that I've played, so to answer the question "would I play it?" Well, yes! I would! I love the graphics, but it turns out that I'm not strong at the Souls-type mechanic. Ultimately I gave up on this one having cleared only the first world (Limgrave) after sinking more than 100 hours in, a lot of that farming to level up. In the end, the game was just better than me, and I let it win. Still, it gets pretty high marks because I WOULD play it!

(6) Löwenherz - Hollow Knight: I should honestly be scared off by the sound of "grinding difficulty". (See: Elden Ring) But the graphics really draw me in, and I love the idea of the wistfully contemplative enemy who will ignore you unless you actually attack him. This game just asks me to try it.

(7) Padrino - Mass Effect: Not really sure what the game play is like, but a beautiful 4K space adventure sounds like exactly what I need right now. Maybe there are too many dragons and not enough spaceships in the video gaming world.

(8) Löwenherz - Super Mario Kart: I played a lot, like a LOT, of Rad Racer and Rad Racer II on the NES. This looks like way more fun. 10/10 would try.

(9) Padrino - Citizen Sleeper: The idea of a modern video game depending on digital dice rolls seems a bit antiquated. But the graphics on this game draw me in hard core. I just want to see what's going on here. That's not too shabby, for a dice-roll game.

(10) Löwenherz - Chrono Trigger: This appears to be a game right in keeping with a style of games I've played before (e.g. the original Final Fantasy), turn-based strategy with a slight jump in graphics design relative to my alma mater NES. Never heard of it before this (despite the apparent accolades it gets) but yeah, I'd play.

(11) Padrino - Control: The trailer for this game has the distinct advantage of actually *increasing* my desire to play this game. Many of the games listed here sound kinda cool and then I watch the trailer and it's a bunch of cut scenes, and I'm like..."Eh..." But this trailer took a writeup that didn't thrill me and drew me right in. I'm intrigued.

(12) Löwenherz - Odin Sphere: for as much as Greek and Roman mythologies draw me in, the Norse versions have never really been my thing. Still, the idea that you play this game in turn as five different protagonists (who are not all necessarily allies) is pretty intriguing. I'm sold.

(13) Padrino - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Dude, stop picking games with a colon in the title. Seriously! That's four in a row! This one is another open world game. Looks pretty cool, it's got that same D&D feel that something like Elden Ring does. I'd give it a shot.

(14) Löwenherz - Hades: I kind of wish Löw had included a game-play video in the writeup, because I really don't have a feel for how this game works. But the graphics look cool, and I'm always down for some Greek mythology, so I'm going to be reasonably optimistic on this one, given how little I understand about it.

(15) Padrino - Illusion of Gaia: OK, this looks pretty cool. The dude that only fights with a flute must be a hoot and a half. The graphics do sit in the uncanny valley between the terrible 8-bit stuff I grew up on and "real" graphics, so they seem to have the goal of trying to introduce shading and the like to the characters when it doesn't really work. But yeah, I'd give this a real shot.

(16) Löwenherz - Mega Man X: Oddly enough, despite being stuck in NES land for most of my gaming life, I've never played so much as a single Mega Man game. I don't know why. Just strangers passing in the night, I suppose. It's the kind of thing that's right up my alley, and I never went there. But hey, I'd try it, even if there's (oddly) little enthusiasm.

(17) Padrino - Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition: I guess I really don't understand how this game works. It sounds like a turn-based RPG, but not quite. I'm not exactly sure how that plays, but I do feel like modern graphics are a bit wasted on the simpler game styles. Could be fun, though!

(18) Padrino - Castlevania: And we've reached the third of the three games on these lists I've actually played. Castlevania is definitely up my alley, in terms of being a classic NES side-scroller. But this was a game I never played much. The music was fun, but the graphics were clunky even for 8-bit, and I didn't like the whip mechanic at all. Sure, on the Desert Island I'd probably play it, but only after I got real good and bored with Super Mario Bros. 3.

(19) Löwenherz - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Obviously the fact that this is a Zelda franchise gives it some extra weight in my eyes, but the early 3D graphics really don't resonate with me. It's funny that I can live happily in a 2D, 8-bit world, but if you jump to the next level, I want a lot more. It is what it is. It's a Zelda game, I'd try it out, but the enthusiasm isn't there.

(20) Padrino - Disco Elysium: The Final Cut: Seems like a murder-mystery with, as described, little action and a lot of dialogue tree. I mean, I've played that kind of game, even drafted one (Stray). I'm not sure the graphics on this one suit me, but I'd give it a shot.

(21) Padrino - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt: So the cut scenes have nice art, but I don't really get a feel for what the gameplay is like. Obviously this game has a bit of exploration, but in the end, this didn't get a great sales pitch. "Combat is a bit samey", "stops being novel very quickly", "Traversal seems clunky", "rough edges"...not really drawing me in.

(22) Löwenherz - Skies of Arcadia - OK, it's kind of a steampunk flying-ships thing. I can see it being kind of interesting, but maybe it doesn't fully float my boat. At least it will get me to muse on "Et in Arcadia ego" over and over...

(23) Padrino - Dark Souls: Remastered: I've already hit upon the problem with "Souls" games. I'm terrible at the mechanics. And didn't Padrino say that he didn't want to take multiple entries from the same franchise earlier in the draft? Ahh, yes... So I've got two reasons to downgrade this one...

(24) Löwenherz - Cyberpunk 2077: "Blade Runner" good. But - even if fixed - the idea that the game is buggy: bad. Also, with no real way to gauge the game play, I'm left with the graphics, and the zombie Hammer-pants girl is not impressing me. This looks like less smash and more pass.

(25) Löwenherz - XCOM: Enemy Unknown: Löw threw me for a loop here, because the first half of the writeup is talking about a turn-based tactical game and evidently...that's NOT what this is? This is a first(third??)-person shooter? That's too bad. The turn-based tactical game probably would have gotten a better ranking.

(26) Padrino - Goldeneye 007: It may be one of the greatest film-to-game adaptations ever, but that's not enough to excite me - especially if I didn't have any particular affinity for the film in the first place. And again, these graphics look clunkier than 8-bit graphics to me just based on expectations of 3D games. Not super interested.

(27) Löwenherz - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge: I was born a few years too early to get into TMNT. It was one of those things that the kids 3-4 years younger than me thought was awesome so I knew it was obviously juvenile crap. That is going to weigh pretty heavily into my ranking here, regardless of the fact that i know it shouldn't. I just have no interest in playing this at all.

(28) Padrino - Mortal Kombat II: Fact of the matter is, the Mortal Kombat genre just doesn't thrill me at all. (I was notoriously the biggest detractor among my friends of Mike Tyson's Punchout as well.) So basically this game is going to be the line between "might be tolerable" and "is obviously going to pee me off" in these rankings.

(29) Löwenherz - Persona 5 Royal: I'm not sure how a "turn-based dungeon crawling" game manages to have a menu screen so incredibly off-putting, but here we are. I'm pretty sure this one would irritate the crap out of me.

(30) Löwenherz - Bioshock: Infinite: "You got your politics into my video game!" "You got your videogame into my politics!" Damn, this thing doesn't at all sound as good as a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. I want to play video games to relax, there are plenty of other outlets for that crap. No thanks.


Padrino: 218
Löwenherz: 247

(Low score wins)


Welp, looks like my low-effort vibes-based rankings didn't hold up when I took a close look at every game. Sometimes, it goes like that. But congrats to both players on interesting lists. You'll note that the cutoff between "I want to try this game" and "pass" is in the low 20s, so all told you've definitely both got my attention!
 
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