De'Aaron Fox 1/2 way through the season

[206Fan]

@Iced Espresso @Čarolija

Tell me what you've seen from Anunoby so far this season that tells you the Kings made a mistake with that pick? Cause I'm not seeing it.

I'm not mocking your opinions at all, just really curious why you guys feel that way.

Don't want to derail from the thread, but for starters, Anunoby is only 20yearsold, while Jackson is already 22yearsold. Both players had the perception of being role players, but JJ is more of a high IQ passer, meanwhile Annuonby is the hard-nosed defender. Both were extremely streaky shooters, but JJ was better. JJ always had more offensive upside due to his ball handling. However, due to age and athleticism, Anunoby was seen as having more upside, but more risk due to his limited offense.

One of the bigger thing that set them apart? Size (heights are in shoes from the NBA draft combine).
Jackson: 6'7.25 200lbs with a 6'11 wingspan
Anunoby: 6'7.75 230lbs with a 7'2.25 wingspan

Jackson's biggest problem since highschool has always been his inability to add on weight to his frame. He stayed the same weight from his senior year in HS all the way till his sophomore year in college. Along with his light frame, he's always been perceived as being nonphysical..aka soft. Anunoby is the polar opposite. Biggest thing that sets them apart: Jackson is a SG, meanwhile Anunoby is a SF. Jackson just doesn't have the strength or size to guard NBA SFs.

For a rebuilding team without a SF, the 20yearold SF would've made a lot more sense point blank.

 

[206Fan]

I wish the Kings gave Fox the keys to the franchise a lot sooner. With that being said, his performance has been good for a rookie, but if I were to judge him on what we've seen from 1/2 the season, I don't think he's shown enough as a franchise player. Yes we see the potential, but he needs to put it all together the rest of the season. If he can finish out the 2nd half of the season averaging 18pts 6asts on 45FG%+, then I would be very happy with him. In fact, if he's as good as his potential says, then there's no reason why he shouldn't be putting up those numbers now that we're nearly tanking.

 

[ESP47]

I wish the Kings gave Fox the keys to the franchise a lot sooner. With that being said, his performance has been good for a rookie, but if I were to judge him on what we've seen from 1/2 the season, I don't think he's shown enough as a franchise player. Yes we see the potential, but he needs to put it all together the rest of the season. If he can finish out the 2nd half of the season averaging 18pts 6asts on 45FG%+, then I would be very happy with him. In fact, if he's as good as his potential says, then there's no reason why he shouldn't be putting up those numbers now that we're nearly tanking.

I think those numbers are a bit lofty for the rookie. If he's hitting those numbers in year 3 I'll be happy but it's way too early to expect him to get numbers like that. Especially since his shot is off and probably wont get better until he gets an offseason or two under his belt.

 

[ParniValjak]

I wish the Kings gave Fox the keys to the franchise a lot sooner. With that being said, his performance has been good for a rookie, but if I were to judge him on what we've seen from 1/2 the season, I don't think he's shown enough as a franchise player. Yes we see the potential, but he needs to put it all together the rest of the season. If he can finish out the 2nd half of the season averaging 18pts 6asts on 45FG%+, then I would be very happy with him. In fact, if he's as good as his potential says, then there's no reason why he shouldn't be putting up those numbers now that we're nearly tanking.

With those numbers you are expecting a something that is rerely achieved by a rookie PG. What he has shown since his return from injury ir roughly what you should be expecting to see from him.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Quite possibly! I have been wrong many times before.

The way I see it is I see Jackson as a jack of all trades master of none type role players. Where as I see OG as someone who can be ELITE in certain aspects of his game. I think OG can be an elite defender, the type that consistently gets selected to NBA all defense teams

Understood. You may very well be right. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[206Fan]

I think those numbers are a bit lofty for the rookie. If he's hitting those numbers in year 3 I'll be happy but it's way too early to expect him to get numbers like that. Especially since his shot is off and probably wont get better until he gets an offseason or two under his belt.

With those numbers you are expecting a something that is rerely achieved by a rookie PG. What he has shown since his return from injury ir roughly what you should be expecting to see from him.

I meant that I wanted to see those stats for the 2nd half of the season. He won't have to share the ball with Hill anymore, and I expect that he'll have a very very lit green light. In 25 games last year, Buddy was averaging 15ppg primarily just being an off-ball player. Rookie Booker did actually average 18ppg in the last 41 games though. 18.8pts 4asts on 40.6/31.9/85.7. Booker's overall FG% is brought down by his 3pt %. Fox probably won't take many, and it probably won't weigh down his overall FG%.

I said those numbers because I'm also betting that the FO will give him the keys to the franchise.

I'm pretty sure Vlade and Joerger love Fox and see him as a future superstar, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took this time to see whether or not he's for sure 100% the guy to be building around with the upcoming top 5 pick. Can you really just gamble on his flashes? Or do you need to see actual production in order warrant the label? I'd be really iffy if someone told me that the future of my franchise lies on a 20yearold rookie PG putting up 10.3pts 4.3asts 2.7rebs on 40.6/30/69.3. I'm sure that's the same thought process that the FO has too.

I'm really glad that we did this sooner than later. 41 games is plenty of time for Fox.

 

[pdizo916]

He looks a lot better ever since he came back from injury.

 

[ESP47]

I meant that I wanted to see those stats for the 2nd half of the season. He won't have to share the ball with Hill anymore, and I expect that he'll have a very very lit green light. In 25 games last year, Buddy was averaging 15ppg primarily just being an off-ball player. Rookie Booker did actually average 18ppg in the last 41 games though. 18.8pts 4asts on 40.6/31.9/85.7. Booker's overall FG% is brought down by his 3pt %. Fox probably won't take many, and it probably won't weigh down his overall FG%.

I said those numbers because I'm also betting that the FO will give him the keys to the franchise.

I'm pretty sure Vlade and Joerger love Fox and see him as a future superstar, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took this time to see whether or not he's for sure 100% the guy to be building around with the upcoming top 5 pick. Can you really just gamble on his flashes? Or do you need to see actual production in order warrant the label? I'd be really iffy if someone told me that the future of my franchise lies on a 20yearold rookie PG putting up 10.3pts 4.3asts 2.7rebs on 40.6/30/69.3. I'm sure that's the same thought process that the FO has too.

I'm really glad that we did this sooner than later. 41 games is plenty of time for Fox.

I agree and I'm not as sold on Fox as some people that don't seem worried at all but I'm also well aware that it takes rookie PG's a bit longer to develop and his development also hinges on the development of his shot.

I just don't see Fox averaging those numbers from here on out. If he did, then his trajectory would be a 20 point scorer next year and I don't think he's anywhere close to that right now. He still has problems finishing, getting the ball stripped in the lane and the obvious which is shooting. Add to the fact that the offense is still going to be sluggish because there isn't enough time to get rid of this archaic high post system until the offseason (which is why I've been saying there's been a lot of wasted time this year).

Thinking with everything going on, if Fox can average 14 and 5 the rest of the year, I'd be pretty satisfied with that result. He's more of a poor mans John Wall than a Devin Booker.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

I wish the Kings gave Fox the keys to the franchise a lot sooner. With that being said, his performance has been good for a rookie, but if I were to judge him on what we've seen from 1/2 the season, I don't think he's shown enough as a franchise player. Yes we see the potential, but he needs to put it all together the rest of the season. If he can finish out the 2nd half of the season averaging 18pts 6asts on 45FG%+, then I would be very happy with him. In fact, if he's as good as his potential says, then there's no reason why he shouldn't be putting up those numbers now that we're nearly tanking.

If your hope for Fox in his rookie season was to see a potential franchise player, then there was no way you weren't going to wind up disappointed. He's a skinny 20 year old whose shot isn't fully developed playing alongside long time vets. All those things considered, I'm pleased with his overall play so far. 10/4/3/1 isn't mind blowing, but it's encouraging when you consider those other factors. He may or may not wind up as the Kings franchise face, but I think there is a really good shot he winds up as our long term point guard.

 

[206Fan]

If your hope for Fox in his rookie season was to see a potential franchise player, then there was no way you weren't going to wind up disappointed. He's a skinny 20 year old whose shot isn't fully developed playing alongside long time vets. All those things considered, I'm pleased with his overall play so far. 10/4/3/1 isn't mind blowing, but it's encouraging when you consider those other factors. He may or may not wind up as the Kings franchise face, but I think there is a really good shot he winds up as our long term point guard.

Yeah by my comments, I don't mean to bag on Fox at all. I know he's our long-term and franchise PG. I just want to figure out if he can be a franchise player too.

 

[King Baller]

Thinking with everything going on, if Fox can average 14 and 5 the rest of the year, I'd be pretty satisfied with that result. He's more of a poor mans John Wall than a Devin Booker.

Funny thing is, John Wall averaged 16.4 PPG as a Rookie. Devin Booker averaged 13.8 Booker is also a SG and in his 3rd season Wall is in season 8! Time flies by!

 

[ESP47]

Funny thing is, John Wall averaged 16.4 PPG as a Rookie. Devin Booker averaged 13.8 Booker is also a SG and in his 3rd season Wall is in season 8! Time flies by!

I meant more by their style of play, strengths and weaknesses etc. I believe John Wall had a lot of pretty big 28 and 10 type games as a rookie. Hoping Fox can get a couple himself before the year is out.

I know, we're getting old! Seems like just yesterday when Tyreke was in the midst of his 20, 5 and 5 season.

 

[BeerNerd916]

Funny thing is, John Wall averaged 16.4 PPG as a Rookie. Devin Booker averaged 13.8 Booker is also a SG and in his 3rd season Wall is in season 8! Time flies by!

Wall also was given the keys day 1 to the tune of almost 38 mpg. I think per 36, Fox has similar stats. Pretty sure he plays better when given more minuted.

 

[Telemachus]

I meant that I wanted to see those stats for the 2nd half of the season. He won't have to share the ball with Hill anymore, and I expect that he'll have a very very lit green light. In 25 games last year, Buddy was averaging 15ppg primarily just being an off-ball player. Rookie Booker did actually average 18ppg in the last 41 games though. 18.8pts 4asts on 40.6/31.9/85.7. Booker's overall FG% is brought down by his 3pt %. Fox probably won't take many, and it probably won't weigh down his overall FG%.

I said those numbers because I'm also betting that the FO will give him the keys to the franchise.

I'm pretty sure Vlade and Joerger love Fox and see him as a future superstar, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took this time to see whether or not he's for sure 100% the guy to be building around with the upcoming top 5 pick. Can you really just gamble on his flashes? Or do you need to see actual production in order warrant the label? I'd be really iffy if someone told me that the future of my franchise lies on a 20yearold rookie PG putting up 10.3pts 4.3asts 2.7rebs on 40.6/30/69.3. I'm sure that's the same thought process that the FO has too.

I'm really glad that we did this sooner than later. 41 games is plenty of time for Fox.

The difference is that the FO isn't simply looking at his stats and what he does in a game. They get to see him in every practice and see how much time he spends working on his game. They see how much time he puts in watching tape and in the weight room. They also see how quickly he learns and adapts. These are all things that we can only make educated guesses at.

 

[Sac.1989]

Fox is great. Solid so far and i expect him to push on with the season.

Great player in the making.

 

[ParniValjak]

I meant that I wanted to see those stats for the 2nd half of the season. He won't have to share the ball with Hill anymore, and I expect that he'll have a very very lit green light. In 25 games last year, Buddy was averaging 15ppg primarily just being an off-ball player. Rookie Booker did actually average 18ppg in the last 41 games though. 18.8pts 4asts on 40.6/31.9/85.7. Booker's overall FG% is brought down by his 3pt %. Fox probably won't take many, and it probably won't weigh down his overall FG%.

I said those numbers because I'm also betting that the FO will give him the keys to the franchise.

I'm pretty sure Vlade and Joerger love Fox and see him as a future superstar, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took this time to see whether or not he's for sure 100% the guy to be building around with the upcoming top 5 pick. Can you really just gamble on his flashes? Or do you need to see actual production in order warrant the label? I'd be really iffy if someone told me that the future of my franchise lies on a 20yearold rookie PG putting up 10.3pts 4.3asts 2.7rebs on 40.6/30/69.3. I'm sure that's the same thought process that the FO has too.

I'm really glad that we did this sooner than later. 41 games is plenty of time for Fox.

Yes and Yes!

It is very rare that player is ready at the age of 19 to be producing at that level. Let alone someone who has clear chink in his armor. It rarely happens! I think the flashes give you a peek at what to expect in the future. Cousins only gave us peeks during his rookie year and now he is the best C in the league.

I am very comfortable that Fox is one of the pieces to build around. He has obvious talent, a couple of fixable chinks in his armor and he is only 19 or so. I think Fix has shown enough to suggest that he will be a great player for us. All you can really go on are the flashes with players that young. Its rare that you get ready plug and play all-stars in their rookie year.

 

[63royals]

I meant more by their style of play, strengths and weaknesses etc. I believe John Wall had a lot of pretty big 28 and 10 type games as a rookie. Hoping Fox can get a couple himself before the year is out.

I know, we're getting old! Seems like just yesterday when Tyreke was in the midst of his 20, 5 and 5 season.

I think it was just a couple of weeks ago that I was watching Tiny Archibald.

 

[kingsfan1984]

I like Fox's handle and vision. Once he is stronger next year i will expect to see him attack the rim harder. Watching Mitchell the big difference i see between him and Fox is that Mitchell explodes to the rim with aggressive purpose while Fox just isnt strong enough to finish with contact yet so he is hesitant. Also Fox is steady and uses his head. Not a lot of head scratching moments like a Mr. Skall produces.

His jumper looks like it will be fine and percent will improve on the deep ball.

 

[ESP47]

I like Fox's handle and vision. Once he is stronger next year i will expect to see him attack the rim harder. Watching Mitchell the big difference i see between him and Fox is that Mitchell explodes to the rim with aggressive purpose while Fox just isnt strong enough to finish with contact yet so he is hesitant. Also Fox is steady and uses his head. Not a lot of head scratching moments like a Mr. Skall produces.

His jumper looks like it will be fine and percent will improve on the deep ball.

Another thing is Mitchell doesn't have the moves that Fox has but he has a much tighter handle on the ball. Fox gets the ball stripped constantly when he's in the paint whereas Mitchell is able to get a shot up.

 

[kingsfan1984]

Don't want to derail from the thread, but for starters, Anunoby is only 20yearsold, while Jackson is already 22yearsold. Both players had the perception of being role players, but JJ is more of a high IQ passer, meanwhile Annuonby is the hard-nosed defender. Both were extremely streaky shooters, but JJ was better. JJ always had more offensive upside due to his ball handling. However, due to age and athleticism, Anunoby was seen as having more upside, but more risk due to his limited offense.

One of the bigger thing that set them apart? Size (heights are in shoes from the NBA draft combine).
Jackson: 6'7.25 200lbs with a 6'11 wingspan
Anunoby: 6'7.75 230lbs with a 7'2.25 wingspan

Jackson's biggest problem since highschool has always been his inability to add on weight to his frame. He stayed the same weight from his senior year in HS all the way till his sophomore year in college. Along with his light frame, he's always been perceived as being nonphysical..aka soft. Anunoby is the polar opposite. Biggest thing that sets them apart: Jackson is a SG, meanwhile Anunoby is a SF. Jackson just doesn't have the strength or size to guard NBA SFs.

For a rebuilding team without a SF, the 20yearold SF would've made a lot more sense point blank.

I agree...realistically this is the only critical thing i have in regards to the draft without using hindsight to cherrt pick the best players a year later. OG should have been the guy over Jackson

 

[KingsFanSince85]

I like Fox's handle and vision. Once he is stronger next year i will expect to see him attack the rim harder. Watching Mitchell the big difference i see between him and Fox is that Mitchell explodes to the rim with aggressive purpose while Fox just isnt strong enough to finish with contact yet so he is hesitant. Also Fox is steady and uses his head. Not a lot of head scratching moments like a Mr. Skall produces.

His jumper looks like it will be fine and percent will improve on the deep ball.

Another thing is Mitchell doesn't have the moves that Fox has but he has a much tighter handle on the ball. Fox gets the ball stripped constantly when he's in the paint whereas Mitchell is able to get a shot up.

When comparing Mitchell and FOX, I still circle back to Tyreke Evans and Steph Curry. Evans body was much more NBA ready while Steph struggled with physicality when they first entered the league. By year 4, however, there was no question who the better player was. In this case, Mitchell's body is more NBA ready & his jumper is better. So he's having more success early on.

FOX has Steph's thin body but his perimeter game is more akin to Tyreke which doesn't allow him to offset. The one skill he does have that could offset and allow him to flourish is his speed & quickness. However he's not been able to figure that part out yet, although he has got better at picking his spots lately. Once he figures out when and how to use his speed advantage (and Joerger turns him loose with playing time), his numbers will spike.

I'm really looking forward to his development the next couple offseasons. His body will naturally mature and he'll fill out some, then with whatever strength program they'll have him on and his work on his shot should make him a very dangerous player soon.

 

[Kingster]

Mitchell has an excellent cross-over, which Fox doesn't currently have. Fox needs the crossover, the eurostep, a floater, and a consistent pop and drop from 10 to 18 feet (later he can get the 3 pointer). Supposedly he has a floater, but I haven't seen much evidence of that in games. Fox has a lot to work on in the off season.

 

[twslam07]

I like Fox's handle and vision. Once he is stronger next year i will expect to see him attack the rim harder. Watching Mitchell the big difference i see between him and Fox is that Mitchell explodes to the rim with aggressive purpose while Fox just isnt strong enough to finish with contact yet so he is hesitant. Also Fox is steady and uses his head. Not a lot of head scratching moments like a Mr. Skall produces.

His jumper looks like it will be fine and percent will improve on the deep ball.

I looked at some of the player tracking stats on drives between Mitchell & Fox. When I filtered down to guards who have at least 5 drives per game and have played at least 20 games, these are their ranks:



So what does this say? It says Mitchell is good at scoring on drives while Fox struggles. However, Mitchell's vision when driving to find the open man might need to be worked on a bit. Looking at turnovers on drives, Mitchell has been much better than Fox.