Dalembert or Ak?
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King-Da-Yah
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AK47. And amnesty Salmons next year.
ParniValjak
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If we played our cards smart, we could have had both and been ridiculously talented and deal at every position. Could have matched up on anyone in the league and created headaches to opponents offensively and defensively.
But since we didn't I would love to have AK but would probably pick Dalembert because defensive bigs that can anchor the D, rebound, block shots and play well with Cousins both offensively and defensively are a rare breed.
But since we didn't I would love to have AK but would probably pick Dalembert because defensive bigs that can anchor the D, rebound, block shots and play well with Cousins both offensively and defensively are a rare breed.
KingsCitizen
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I'll pick AK47. Then bid for Thabeet.
Thornton and Salmons splits minutes at the 2. Waive Donte.
PG - Evans/Fredette/Vet PG (I. Thomas sent to D-League)
SG - Thornton/Salmons
SF - Kirilenko/Garcia/HoneyCutt
PF - Hickson/Thompson/Whiteside
C - Cousins/Hayes/Thabeet
Thornton and Salmons splits minutes at the 2. Waive Donte.
PG - Evans/Fredette/Vet PG (I. Thomas sent to D-League)
SG - Thornton/Salmons
SF - Kirilenko/Garcia/HoneyCutt
PF - Hickson/Thompson/Whiteside
C - Cousins/Hayes/Thabeet
Telemachus
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If I had to choose, I would take AK. I think he would help this team out more than Dally.
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Uncia03
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If I was playing GM, and I wasn't in a position to get both AK and Daly I'd do the following:
1.) Get AK.
2.) Amnesty Garcia/Salmons
3.) Trade JT for Okafor (Probably be able to pull this off due to the salary relief/good big NO would be getting in return)
PG - Tyreke/Jimmer/Thomas
SG - Thorton/Salmons/Jimmer
SF - AK/Salmons/Greene/Honeycutt
PF - Cousins/JJ/Whiteside
C - Okafor/Hayes
From the outside looking in, if I were to use the amnesty, I'd rather do it this year, to create capspace, to re-sign Dalembert. But I just get the feeling the FO isn't that high on bringing him back. Considering the fact that we can probably get him for under 10mil/year, I have to believe that there is something going on there in regards to that relationship that we (as fans) aren't aware of.
Okafor's contract is just gigantic, and we'd basically lose all of our financial flexibility. But his contract finishes up before we'd have to max out Cousins, and I love the starting 5 this would give us, as well as the depth, so I think we could afford to be a bit inflexible for a year or two with a roster that good.
In a perfect world, if the Hornets end up with Kaman's expiring, the Hornets would consider amnestying Okafor if they couldn't find any takers for his contract, and give us an opportunty to snatch him up, but of all the scenarios I've mentioned in my perfect world, that is probably the least unlikely to take place.
1.) Get AK.
2.) Amnesty Garcia/Salmons
3.) Trade JT for Okafor (Probably be able to pull this off due to the salary relief/good big NO would be getting in return)
PG - Tyreke/Jimmer/Thomas
SG - Thorton/Salmons/Jimmer
SF - AK/Salmons/Greene/Honeycutt
PF - Cousins/JJ/Whiteside
C - Okafor/Hayes
From the outside looking in, if I were to use the amnesty, I'd rather do it this year, to create capspace, to re-sign Dalembert. But I just get the feeling the FO isn't that high on bringing him back. Considering the fact that we can probably get him for under 10mil/year, I have to believe that there is something going on there in regards to that relationship that we (as fans) aren't aware of.
Okafor's contract is just gigantic, and we'd basically lose all of our financial flexibility. But his contract finishes up before we'd have to max out Cousins, and I love the starting 5 this would give us, as well as the depth, so I think we could afford to be a bit inflexible for a year or two with a roster that good.
In a perfect world, if the Hornets end up with Kaman's expiring, the Hornets would consider amnestying Okafor if they couldn't find any takers for his contract, and give us an opportunty to snatch him up, but of all the scenarios I've mentioned in my perfect world, that is probably the least unlikely to take place.
RookieOfTheDay
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AK, easily. I'll take an all around player over a one trick pony any day. I don't see it conflicting with Salmons either since Salmons can play the 2 as well. Having Salmons and Jimmer off the bench would give great at the 1, 2, and 3.
SacKings7
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I'd like to have both but I'll take Sammy over AK. I think sometimes people just get excited over new acquisitions rather than a familiar face, but we need a shot blocker. I like AK and would love to see him in a Kings uniform, but I guarantee we'll miss Dalembert on this team this season if he isn't replaced by another 7 footer
RookieOfTheDay
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AK is a shot blocker. He's never averaged less than 1.2 blocks per game his entire career. Unlike Sammy D, though, AK can do a lot of other things besides shot blocking.
EDIT: I just checked the stats and AK actually has a higher career shot blocking average than Sammy, lol.
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SacKings7
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I know he's a good shot blocker, but he's a SF. Like I said, I'd love to have him on the team, but if I had to choose I'd prefer to have an intimidating presence under the basket. AK is neither an intimidating presence nor under the basket, although he is one heck of a defender on the wing and good from the weak side
Either way, I must admit the rumors about him possibly signing with us does have me a little excited
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Section 101
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If you do #1 then you lose the cap space to do #3. #3 would have to match salaries.
RookieOfTheDay
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They can do #1 and #3 if they amnestied Garcia or Salmons.
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Section 101
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That still wouldn't be enough. Signing AK takes them the cap. They aren't going to amnesty Salmons and have to pay him 3 years of his contract and not play. Garcia is a lower salary and only 2 years, but that wouldn't create enough space for the trade.
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RookieOfTheDay
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Maybe get a third team involved to trade Salmons to.
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Kingsguy881
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Do neither. Keep the roster intact. The Kings are not in 'win now' mode and as for building excitement, the current roster as it sits should bring plenty of excitement to the city as we watch them grow and develop and (hopefully in the near future) contend. There is no need to spend money on players who will be out of the league after their contract expires/next injury. I understand that a shotblocker is a nice thing to have but keep in mind Chuck Hayes shut down both Amare Stoudemire AND Blake Griffin and damn near avg'd a triple double against the Warriors last season. I say stand pat and keep your money until something actually worth it comes along.
RookieOfTheDay
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I'd agree with that if acquiring AK or Dalembert would screw up their cap space or keep them from resigning more important players. it won't though. They have enough space left for an 8-10$ million a year contract and as long as it's not more than three years it will be off the books before it creates any resigning problems. Might as well be the best you can be and there's no doubt that either of these guys will help win you a few more games.
Hallama
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It's a tough one. If I felt Dalembert was 100% excited to be a King, I'd lean in his direction because of his skill set and size. But I just don't see it. IMO, the only reason he's mentioned a return to the Kings is because of $, not that he really wants to be here. And he constantly mentions his offensive skills...something this team doesn't need from him.
So I'd go with AK. If no other reason he can guard multiple positions - from Kobe to Durant to Dirk - and that's a huge factor in the Western Conference. I'm having a hard time envisioning any of the Kings on the current roster guarding any of those guys, with AK, it's a no-brainer.
AK!
So I'd go with AK. If no other reason he can guard multiple positions - from Kobe to Durant to Dirk - and that's a huge factor in the Western Conference. I'm having a hard time envisioning any of the Kings on the current roster guarding any of those guys, with AK, it's a no-brainer.
AK!
Uncia03
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That's why I use the amnesty as the 2nd step, as we'd need to clear cap space in order to absorb Okafor's salary in a JT swap.
I figured that by having step 2 be the amnesty, people would get the idea that we'd have to clear salary, and if that means JT+pieces (which I almost put), then that's what the proposal would be. It's sort of hard to nail down any exact number, when you don't know if we'd end up signing AK for 9mil a year or not.
The point being, my guess is that Okafor is probably available for the right deal. And my guess is that a 'right deal' would be a decent player and salary relief, which we could provide. And adding both AK and a defensive center in Okafor would make a fantastic roster, at the expense of financial flexibility. (As mentioned, I'd prefer Dalembert for under 10mil/year, but if he's not available, I'd make a JT/Okafor swap)
RookieOfTheDay
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I get the feeling Sammy thought teams like Miami, New York, Dallas, etc. would be beating down his door. Since that hasn't happened he may come out of this thing with egg on his face. He could have just stayed with the Kings and I'm sure they would have been glad to give him 6$ million a year or so. But no, he had to get greedy and now he'll probably end up playing for the veteran's minimum on a contender or getting near the money he wants but having to go to a bad team like Houston to get it.
Patience. It will all work out in the next days. I want who Petrie and Westphal want. They're doing alright so far. They may not have a choice between them and who knows what else is on the stove. It's great fun for me, if a little slow. In these slow times its fun to read the points of view you all post here. Petrie is building us a team no matter what we think. I like that.
CaminoChaos
Bench
Why not go for both. We are $14 mill under the cap. Amnesty Garcia and that puts us at $19/$20 mil under the cap. Sign both for $9 or $10.
PG - Evans, Jimmer, Thomas
SG - Thorton, Salmons
SF - AK, Salmons, Greene, Honeycut
PF - Cousins, Hickson, JT
C - Dalembert, Hayes, JT, Whiteside
That's a nice line-up.
Next year JT, Hickson and Greene are off the books which frees us up $7 mil. next year. However I think we will be able to pay there Qualifying offer. We would be over the cap after signing extensions in a few years put we will be so deep we will be able to trade players with out losing depth. Another bad thing is we will not be in the market for the Free Agents next season.
PG - Evans, Jimmer, Thomas
SG - Thorton, Salmons
SF - AK, Salmons, Greene, Honeycut
PF - Cousins, Hickson, JT
C - Dalembert, Hayes, JT, Whiteside
That's a nice line-up.
Next year JT, Hickson and Greene are off the books which frees us up $7 mil. next year. However I think we will be able to pay there Qualifying offer. We would be over the cap after signing extensions in a few years put we will be so deep we will be able to trade players with out losing depth. Another bad thing is we will not be in the market for the Free Agents next season.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I like the way you think. Too bad the owners/management aren't as ambitious.
CaminoChaos
Bench
Question though since we are under the cap cam we just out right trade Garcia for cash or a $1 mil player so we dont have to pay him and still get rid of contract.
SacKings7
Starter
Only if our trading partner is under the cap. In that case it wouldn't matter if we were under the cap or not. A team being under the cap can absorb salaries in a trade, but teams over the cap (even if they are trading with a team under the cap) have to match salaries.
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