Comments on IT trade by PDA

[Chubbs]

Nope. It was the fact that all the people with money were at the mercy of waiting for Lebron, Melo, and Bosh to make a decision. IT would have been in that second tier of FA's that the people with money wanted. PHX, Miami, Dallas, etc were all interested in signing him. No coincidence they were all linked to the big boys as well. PHX smartly just got out of the Bron sweepstakes and beat the other teams to the punch.

Had IT waited another week, he would have had his pick from the LeBron/Melo/Bosh losers.

That's all unprovable. Why'd he jump at the first offer if so many others were just around the corner?

He crossed a line by going to city council meetings to support the team? He crossed the line by doing things for the community and for the team in India? That's one of the things that Dickinson is attacking him for when he calls him a poser.

The on court stuff is fair game and apparent for all of us to see. The locker room stuff while rumors is still fair game. When you start attacking a player for doing charity work and calling him a poser.....that's a scumbag move that only a lowlife would defend.

Honestly how can anyone feel good about themselves for trashing a guy for doing charity work?

Who did that?

 

[Swaze]

Really? Honestly did someone attack IT for doing charity work? This line of conversation is getting stretched out a bit.

Dickinson called IT a poser and phony in regards to his work and perceived "attachment" to the team and community.

Dickinson also said in some of his tweet replies that he has "sources". He also happens to work for the same station where Ric Bucher claimed he has sources too. How accurate were Bucher's sources when Bucher claimed it was a done deal that the team was gone?

 

[Chubbs]

I think we're crossed up. And agree with what you are saying. Dickinson had two takes on Thomas, one about the basketball lockeroom stuff and that's fine to agree with him on that. It's matter of opinion but nothing wrong with attacking a guy for his basketball related work.
Dickinson also called Thomas a "poser" for the community work and work for the team that Thomas did, that's where the problem is.

Yeah, that's a bit much. I do think his public persona just didn't match the on court guy, the locker room guy, etc.

Moving on. .. The guy is gone, that's the Bottomline. Now we can hope our nba worst guard rotation didn't actually get worse. I'm not real high on Collison either. He seems like a better fit. Whether that makes up losing Isaiah remains to be seen. Like most I sure would have liked to have seen a better return for him. But I really think the market was extremely soft.

I feel like you're lumping me in with Dickinson (perhaps deservedly). But no, I don't think he did the charity stuff to just mask deep down he's a horrible person. . I just think his basketball personality is quite different than his charity persona. The basketball personality is what led us to let him leave.

 

[Swaze]

Yeah, that's a bit much. I do think his public persona just didn't match the on court guy, the locker room guy, etc.

Moving on. .. The guy is gone, that's the Bottomline. Now we can hope our nba worst guard rotation didn't actually get worse. I'm not real high on Collison either. He seems like a better fit. Whether that makes up losing Isaiah remains to be seen. Like most I sure would have liked to have seen a better return for him. But I really think the market was extremely soft.

Agreed although I wonder if he could have got a little more if he waited just a few more days. Once all of the bigger names are done signing there will be some teams willing to overpay for whatever is left. IT went for about what he should have went for which in today' crazy NBA market is actually a little surprising.

 

[Entity]

Geez with all this hub bub over Isaiah Thomas one could come in off the street and think he was a corner stone for the franchise. Not near the backlash for the Peja trade or the bobby trade or even Kevin Martin. All of which were way more significant to this franchise than Isaiah ever dreamed of. This is Chris Webber type backlash. Isaiah is a dime a dozen player in the NBA. Nothing to see here move on

 

[sdballer]

Geez with all this hub bub over Isaiah Thomas one could come in off the street and think he was a corner stone for the franchise. Not near the backlash for the Peja trade or the bobby trade or even Kevin Martin. All of which were way more significant to this franchise than Isaiah ever dreamed of. This is Chris Webber type backlash. Isaiah is a dime a dozen player in the NBA. Nothing to see here move on

Agreed and yet he was still our third most valuable player and asset.

Unless someone has figured out a way to build a capped out team without maximizing their best assets, it's cause for concern.

 

[Kingster]

I find it interesting the Phoenix wanted IT. Their track record with evaluating guards ain't bad - Bledsoe, Dragic, Goodwin speak to that effect. Apparently, they were willing to overlook the selfish, egomaniacal, chucker, non-defensive play of little Isaiah Thomas. The Kings think they will improve their chemistry because of the substitution of Thomas with Collison, and with it, win more basketball games. We're going to see the evidence next year of who was right.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I find it interesting the Phoenix wanted IT. Their track record with evaluating guards ain't bad - Bledsoe, Dragic, Goodwin speak to the effect. Apparently, they were willing to overlook the selfish, egomaniacal, chucker, non-defensive play of little Isaiah Thomas. The Kings think they will improve their chemistry because of the substitution of Thomas with Collison, and with it, win more basketball games. We're going to see the evidence next year of who was right.

My guess is that they will both be right. IT will go back into his role as a solid scoring 6th man and the Kings will improve their team play, defense, and chemistry with Collison

 

[Prince_XY]

At the very least, you get a pick or two for him. It's beyond pathetic that they let him go for TP(e).

How do you know what teams were offering IT? You don't' ! Many sources in the league have said he received offers from various sub .500 teams. If you follow IT you would know he made it clear he was not looking to move East. I'm tired of every one putting they words about what offers he got because they don't have a clue. Bottom line is he was our best shooter and we got nothing in return. Just go on a Phoenix forums.. They are laughing at us, and every article about the trade points to the tradition of bad management from the Kings. If we suck this year and Phoenix is winning..it will be clear that IT was not the problem. Hopefully this is not the cAse.

You guys are forgetting the importance/relevance/power of Traded Player Exception (TPE) as an extra ammunition in rebuilding our team, especially with a lot of cap space opening-up at the end of the season.

Maybe PDA is looking ahead of time?

 

[kupman]

It's old isn't it?

It was old the first time it was used.

 

[VF21]

Nope. It was the fact that all the people with money were at the mercy of waiting for Lebron, Melo, and Bosh to make a decision. IT would have been in that second tier of FA's that the people with money wanted. PHX, Miami, Dallas, etc were all interested in signing him. No coincidence they were all linked to the big boys as well. PHX smartly just got out of the Bron sweepstakes and beat the other teams to the punch.

Had IT waited another week, he would have had his pick from the LeBron/Melo/Bosh losers.

You're going to seriously try to posit the theory that all those teams would have come hustling for IT had he only waited? Yeah...

Here's another just as likely scenario: IT grabbed the money from Phoenix because they weren't getting any preliminary phone calls. None, nada, zip. There were ZERO reports of any teams in touch with IT's agent from anywhere other than IT's camp - and in this day and age there's always someone out there with a credible rumor or two.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it ... and apparently neither were about 28 GMs.

 

[kupman]

I am happy for IT. I think that he has landed in a very good spot for him and he is getting a solid market value. I am also happy for us. While I would have loved for IT to stay, we are obviously moving forward with a well thought-out strategy on building a better team, even when that means taking a risk by letting a player go that many enjoyed watching and liked. It could really end up being a win-win for both IT/Suns and the Kings.

I am moving on with my life now.

 

[VF21]

I find it interesting the Phoenix wanted IT. Their track record with evaluating guards ain't bad - Bledsoe, Dragic, Goodwin speak to that effect. Apparently, they were willing to overlook the selfish, egomaniacal, chucker, non-defensive play of little Isaiah Thomas. The Kings think they will improve their chemistry because of the substitution of Thomas with Collison, and with it, win more basketball games. We're going to see the evidence next year of who was right.

The results will not necessarily be mutually exclusive. It could easily end up being good for Phoenix, Thomas, the Kings and Collison.

 

[peacelate]

The Kings should be better next year now that Stauskas should get the majority of minutes of McLemore.

 

[Chubbs]

I find it interesting the Phoenix wanted IT. Their track record with evaluating guards ain't bad - Bledsoe, Dragic, Goodwin speak to that effect. Apparently, they were willing to overlook the selfish, egomaniacal, chucker, non-defensive play of little Isaiah Thomas. The Kings think they will improve their chemistry because of the substitution of Thomas with Collison, and with it, win more basketball games. We're going to see the evidence next year of who was right.

I think he can succeed in the style of Phoenix. They don't have cousins. As long as IT doesn't try to cannibalize every one of their other 5 pgs like he proudly did to the ones that were.

 

[kingsboi]

Pete did good here by not matching, even if its to a reasonable contract. It was obvious that last season there were moments where Rudy and DeMarcus did not appreciate the way IT was playing, he was not buying in like the other two were and hence why he was trying to put up nice numbers in order to get a nice pay day. Can't blame him, he was a second round pick and is under 6 foot so good for him and great for us.

 

[jcwkings]

Yeah, that's a bit much. I do think his public persona just didn't match the on court guy, the locker room guy, etc.

Moving on. .. The guy is gone, that's the Bottomline. Now we can hope our nba worst guard rotation didn't actually get worse. I'm not real high on Collison either. He seems like a better fit. Whether that makes up losing Isaiah remains to be seen. Like most I sure would have liked to have seen a better return for him. But I really think the market was extremely soft.

I feel like you're lumping me in with Dickinson (perhaps deservedly). But no, I don't think he did the charity stuff to just mask deep down he's a horrible person. . I just think his basketball personality is quite different than his charity persona. The basketball personality is what led us to let him leave.

Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, MJ were/are all fierce competitors on the court who can come off as bad personas, off the court they are well respected, some guys are hust ultra competitive on the court, IT qualifies as that while obviously not being as good as those above.

 

[Chubbs]

Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, MJ were/are all fierce competitors on the court who can come off as bad personas, off the court they are well respected, some guys are hust ultra competitive on the court, IT qualifies as that while obviously not being as good as those above.

And also, demarcus was the one pulling IT away from cp3. I think there was just a disconnect between cuz and IT.

 

[John Galt]

And also, demarcus was the one pulling IT away from cp3. I think there was just a disconnect between cuz and IT.

I remember that vividly - never forgot that image.

Also, I wonder... just wonder... if Rudy and PDA talked about IT's future with the team when Rudy was deciding to opt in. There was a post game interview where Gay called out IT on playing for his stats and his contract... in sort of a friendly but pointed way. I don't know why IT's rabid fans don't see that his key teammates didn't like him very much.

 

[Glenn]

I remember that vividly - never forgot that image.

Also, I wonder... just wonder... if Rudy and PDA talked about IT's future with the team when Rudy was deciding to opt in. There was a post game interview where Gay called out IT on playing for his stats and his contract... in sort of a friendly but pointed way. I don't know why IT's rabid fans don't see that his key teammates didn't like him very much.

I sure wouldn't be surprised if Rudy was asked his opinion. His opinion is of more relevance to the Kings than Jerry Reynolds' opinion. I think it is important we keep Rudy with a more reasonable contract and keeping him in the loop of important decisions is more valuable than offering to mow his lawn.

 

[Heuge]

And there's the point. You and a number of others are assuming they haven't been trying.

I assume that they have been trying. I believe they have failed, specifically with IT.

oh and I love this team too!

 

[rainmaker]

Nope. It was the fact that all the people with money were at the mercy of waiting for Lebron, Melo, and Bosh to make a decision. IT would have been in that second tier of FA's that the people with money wanted. PHX, Miami, Dallas, etc were all interested in signing him. No coincidence they were all linked to the big boys as well. PHX smartly just got out of the Bron sweepstakes and beat the other teams to the punch.

That's quite overstating the situation. Pho wanted him as a 6th man for their guard oriented, up and down style. Dallas already brought in Felton and with rumors of them going after Stephenson, while having Monta already there, the plan is to have Monta play some PG. Maybe Miami would have used IT as a 6th man, but Miami also just wasted 118M on Bosh and is rumored to be offering Wade 5/50-60M. They're going hard after Deng too. They made clear what their priorities are.

And it remains, IT didn't get the interest many of his fans claimed he would, where he'd be getting starting PG offers and his fans and Grant/Jerry built him up to be a future All Star, a Kyrie level player, a guy who at times they compared to everyone from Nash to Stockton to CP3. Those types of players are sought after. IT was not.

If anyone is surprised IT would get some interest as a 6th man, I don't know what they've been watching. 6th man is how the league looks at IT and potentially as one of the better 6th men out there. Yet for two years those here suggesting that same thing, that IT would be a good 6th man, were called haters.

The league has spoken. The argument that no one really went hard after IT because of the Lebron situation is a faulty premise. The better PG's available were swept up during that time. From Lowry to Livingston to 2nd tier PG's like Collison and Vasquez. Teams didn't just sit back and wait to go after PG's they wanted due to Lebron. Of course, none of those other PG's were anywhere near as self-promotional as IT publicly either, which I believe caused a few teams to hesitate going after him.

 

[jdbraver]

Oh he's going to take care of it for me. He's about 1 more losing season from getting his underqualified ass fired. Unfortunately as likely as not to be replaced by Chris Mullin who appears to have strapped himself to Vivek's hip. Nonetheless he's done absolutely nothing to deserve anyone's particular respect. Unfortunately for him, I don't know that he is entirely in control of the situation to fix things. I have ?? over several decisions made in his tenure, about how much he is to blame, or how much he is to credit. There is a Maloofian air of too many cooks hovering over our decisionmaking crew. Go back and watch the vid of the idiots dancing around when they drafted McLemore. Notice the one guy who isn't? Watch the vid of this recent draft with Stauskas. Notice the hesitation? Landry may have been Malone's idea. This Golden State fetish would surely be coming from Vivek/Mullin, not PDA, who came out of Denver. etc. When there are reports that we are looking around the league for either a shotblocker or a stretch 4 to put next to Cousins...that's a very odd thing for a single individual to target. Two wildly different visions. Would not surprise me if those two visions belong to two different factions in the front office. not sure which one is PDA, and which one is the coach or Golden State boys. In any case gerbil was wildly unqualified to suddenly get a random promotion. He wasn't even expecting the hire. The thought has occurred to me more than once that that may have been done on purpose to create a weak GM/set up a decionmaking cabal including the owner, his "advisors", the coach the owner hired, and then the GM. That's done all the time. You want to be hands off, you hire a big hitter who runs things like he owns the team, in dictatorial fashion. You want to have a say/meddle? You hire somebody underqualified who is aware of the weakness of their position and will not dare to make moves without your sanction. In which case BTW Pete has my sympathy. Few things suck worse than being led down a path to failure that is going to land on your lap, and not having the power to change it.

In any case, this next move is the one that could get the rodent off his resume...or could seal his fate as a temporary phenomenon quietly demoted back to basement stats geek/cap specialist. The shotblcoker/defender. The guy who is going to have to serve as defensive catalyst. I have been saying for weeks I strongly suspect gerbil is trying to do something big back there, and it could change our fate considerably, for good or ill. Just don't know if we have the pieces left that anyone will play along, which BTW again returns to the poor planning stages.

You want to argue the moves fine. Don't resort to childish name calling here it's beneath this forum per forum rules. Yet no mod has enforced rules because you are apparently above the rules...or so it seems.

 

[VF21]

You want to argue the moves fine. Don't resort to childish name calling here it's beneath this forum per forum rules. Yet no mod has enforced rules because you are apparently above the rules...or so it seems.

Dude, you need to give it a rest. It's NOT against the rules. If it were, things like the Magoofs, Keith Dumb, etc. wouldn't have seen the light of day.

Name-calling on a personal level between two MEMBERS is against the rules and is consistently enforced. Nicknames, be they flattering or not, of players and other professionals, is part and parcel of most fan boards.

 

[jdbraver]

Dude, you need to give it a rest. It's NOT against the rules. If it were, things like the Magoofs, Keith Dumb, etc. wouldn't have seen the light of day.

Name-calling on a personal level between two MEMBERS is against the rules and is consistently enforced. Nicknames, be they flattering or not, of players and other professionals, is part and parcel of most fan boards.

Ok I'm gonna bookmark this one. Thx.

 

[John Galt]

Ok I'm gonna bookmark this one. Thx.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I think you guys are all burying the lead (but I haven't set foot in any of the other Thomas threads, so I could be mistaken), the real reason why Thomas had to go was because he wouldn't sell Gay #22. Cite.

 

[mac]

I only have one question. IT supporters here have constantly pointed to his friendship with Cousins, that they're the best of pals, that IT is the only one on the team that can keep Cousins head straight etc. So ... if they're such good pals why the un-following on twitter and no public wishing of good luck or anything?

 

[jcwkings]

I only have one question. IT supporters here have constantly pointed to his friendship with Cousins, that they're the best of pals, that IT is the only one on the team that can keep Cousins head straight etc. So ... if they're such good pals why the un-following on twitter and no public wishing of good luck or anything?

IT probably feels betrayed by Demarcus. PDA didnt even bother having a face to face with IT. As the franchise centerpiece DMC could have vetted for IT's return, but didnt(or so it seems). Theres no question they were friends, both are ultra competitive, and do you remember their friendly twitter war? If there was a breakdown, it was this past season.