charge rule.

[ONEZERO]

Maybe this thread shouldn't even be here so if its moved I won't care. Anyways, I feal that the charge rule should really be re-evaluated. It is unbeleivable how this rule is officiated. A guy will go by his defender, and when he reaches the hoop, some idiot that can't play D just slides over in a heartbeat and gets the call turned the other way. And sometimes a player will catch the ball and the instant he turns around, some other idiot is waiting for him to turn around and when he draws the charge, it again goes the other way. The reason for this is that one day, altough I regret saying this, someone is seriously going to get hurt. I just saw it with chauncey billups where he was on a fast break and as he when up for the layup, I can't remember who it was, got in front of him and drew the charge and nearly injured billups as he came crashing down. I've seen it on several occasions and I don't know why it isn't even a minor issue. Its like they seem not to even notice it saying, "what a great defensive play". Com on' now. I know its been going on since the "bad boys of detroit days", but I seriously don't consider that defence. I just wanna know what u guys think of this.

 

[hrdboild]

The reason you have a charge rule is because if you didn't, the offensive player could just push their way to the hoop and score. You have to have a charge rule so that players don't just run through the defenders. The rule is that the defender has to have their feet planted so you can't just run in front of somebody and fall over and get the foul call. If you do that, it's a defensive foul not an offensive foul.

What bothers me more about foul calls in the NBA is that there's some kind of rule that any contact on the shooter is a foul. So what happens is that players jump into the defensive player thereby forcing a foul call. I don't think you should get a foul called on you for standing still while somebody jumps into you, but they call that all the time.

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree -- I detest charging calls. Maybe one out of three is legit in my opinion, and style and flopping coutns at least as much as actually being set.

 

[4cwebb]

The thing that makes it so difficult is all the acting that the NBA players do. It'd be one thing if each and every time a defender were legitimately standing in place and taking contact on the drive, but just about all of them use some form of exaggeration to draw the official's attention.

I'd like to see the line under the basket moved even further away from the basket. I want to see guys flying to the rim and finishing...not get undercut by Derek Fisher as he "takes" a charge.

 

[Jose]

The reason you have a charge rule is because if you didn't, the offensive player could just push their way to the hoop and score.

That never stopped Shaq....

But seriously, I agree - but what bothers me is that this is perhaps the most inconsistently called play. It is very subjective and the refs are too influenced by the acting and by who's involved in the play (preferential treatment).

 

[ONEZERO]

The reason you have a charge rule is because if you didn't, the offensive player could just push their way to the hoop and score. You have to have a charge rule so that players don't just run through the defenders. The rule is that the defender has to have their feet planted so you can't just run in front of somebody and fall over and get the foul call. If you do that, it's a defensive foul not an offensive foul.

I never said to take it out, I said to re-evaluate the rule. But I do agree with everything else u said.

 

[KP]

The reason you have a charge rule is because if you didn't, the offensive player could just push their way to the hoop and score. You have to have a charge rule so that players don't just run through the defenders. The rule is that the defender has to have their feet planted so you can't just run in front of somebody and fall over and get the foul call. If you do that, it's a defensive foul not an offensive foul.

What bothers me more about foul calls in the NBA is that there's some kind of rule that any contact on the shooter is a foul. So what happens is that players jump into the defensive player thereby forcing a foul call. I don't think you should get a foul called on you for standing still while somebody jumps into you, but they call that all the time.

You guys are both right. The thing I hate most about NBA officiating is the inconsistancy. You see referee fueled runs that seem to tighten games all the time. If I could tell what a charge was or a blocking foul even if I didn't like the definition, I could live with that. The officiating in the NBA is a joke.

 

[Kev.in]

The standing charge definitely needs to be abolished. It's ugly basketball, it's dangerous basketball (just look at Chris Webber, he got two of his worst ankle injuries off Jazz players laying underneath him after trying to take a charge). If you get rid of that, it changes the way you defend around the basket. I bet league scoring would go up almost 2ppg per team.

 

[uolj]

I'm fine with the rule the way I think it is written. I just think the officials are inconsistent in calling it by the book. The worst of the calls are when the defender is set after the offensive player has made his move, which I believe should be a block, not a charge, but is often called a charge. The play where the defensive player is just waiting for the other guy to turn around is also supposed to be called a block, you must give them a step, I believe.

So the reason the charge is the most frustrating call to me is not how the rule is defined, but because it is so inconsistently enforced.

I have mentioned several times on this site about how the league makes it harder on the officials to make correct calls by asking them to consider outside factors instead of just calling what they see. This often leads to a game "getting out of control" and a charge is called to tone down the aggressiveness. There was a Ric Bucher article on ESPN.com several years ago where he followed some referees and described one questionable call. The rookie ref called it a block, which according to the article was the correct call, but the veteran ref said that he would have called it a charge because the game was getting out of hand and the team (the Heat under Pat Riley I think) tended to get overly physical at the end of long road streaks like the one they were on. That is the kind of crap that gets fans upset because if the veteran ref had made that call, it would have incorrectly put a stop to the Heat's energetic attempt to get back in the game. That is my biggest beef.

 

[Ryle]

The reason you have a charge rule is because if you didn't, the offensive player could just push their way to the hoop and score. You have to have a charge rule so that players don't just run through the defenders.

Um Hello???


How do you think Shaq gets the majority of his points

 

[6th]

Um Hello???


How do you think Shaq gets the majority of his points

Exactly!! And here is where we get to uolj's point about refs getting to include other factors. No way that Shaq should get away with some of the things he gets away with. Why does he? Because he is Shaq.

 

[KKSloga]

Exactly!! And here is where we get to uolj's point about refs getting to include other factors. No way that Shaq should get away with some of the things he gets away with. Why does he? Because he is Shaq.

Face it, Shaq is awsome. Had we traded Bibby and Webber for Shaq we would be playing the Spurs right now!!

 

[bigdog5142]

I agree with the post about how the rule is called in the NBA...HOWEVER, if you have ever refereed basketball, you know how subjective rules are. I have refed b-ball for over 10 years and the block/charge is the TOUGHEST call to make...and it has to be made in a second. B-ball is the TOUGHEST sport to officiate. Subjectivity comes into play BIG-TIME. All you can ask for is consistency in the calls...a ref can be subjective, but they must be consistent. It's like figuring out what a college prof wants in a subject...once you figure out what they want, you get an A...you can be totally correct in a paper, but if it's not what the prof is looking for...look out for a bad grade.

 

[thesanityannex]

I agree -- I detest charging calls. Maybe one out of three is legit in my opinion, and style and flopping coutns at least as much as actually being set.

It's all about the stylish flopping in 2005!