Carmichael Dave on why staying young is good for the Kings

I think we'll wind up getting a pick in 2019 but I'm glad there is no incentive to tank.

Also just because the top gets better it doesn't mean the next tier is impossible to break into. I don't expect playoffs but I do expect a 10 win improvement. And then comes the real test. If you look at how bad a team like the Blazers has bungled things thinking they could move up a peg or two after a surprisingly strong playoff run in 2016.
 
that about sums up my thoughts as well, why try to compete now when you have 2 powerhouses and Bron for the next four years to go up against....let it play itself out and hopefully the Kings can be the next team up once the dust settles
 
It makes sense to try to sign LaVine and then Exum, keep Skal and WCS and sign young FA with size and the ability to defend in 2019.

I'd like to see this roster in the start the 2019-20 season (age players will be that season included):

PG: Fox (22) / Dante Exum (24) / Mason (26)
SG: Zach LaVine (25) / Hield (26) / Bogdanovic (27)
SF: Justise Winslow (24) / ???? / Jackson (25)
PF: Bagley (21) / Jordan Bell (25) / Labissiere (24)
C: Giles (22) / Cauley-Stein (26) / Koufas (31)

$17mil for LaVine now seems like a lot but if he stays healthy and you are rolling into 2020-21-22 only paying him $18-19mil he could be a bargain that allows that room to max out some other players.

This would give two seasons more (before the Lebron in the West and GS dynasty come to an end) to improve and adjust the roster due to an injury, wrong fit or lack of improvement.

It would be an exciting team at the least with the ability to defend all positions, athleticism to switch out to the perimeter and speed to run the floor.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I think we'll wind up getting a pick in 2019 but I'm glad there is no incentive to tank.

Also just because the top gets better it doesn't mean the next tier is impossible to break into. I don't expect playoffs but I do expect a 10 win improvement. And then comes the real test. If you look at how bad a team like the Blazers has bungled things thinking they could move up a peg or two after a surprisingly strong playoff run in 2016.
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If nothing else, our wins against the East probably just went up. ;)
 
The Phenom said:
It makes sense to try to sign LaVine and then Exum, keep Skal and WCS and sign young FA with size and the ability to defend in 2019.

I'd like to see this roster in the start the 2019-20 season (age players will be that season included):

PG: Fox (22) / Dante Exum (24) / Mason (26)
SG: Zach LaVine (25) / Hield (26) / Bogdanovic (27)
SF: Justise Winslow (24) / ???? / Jackson (25)
PF: Bagley (21) / Jordan Bell (25) / Labissiere (24)
C: Giles (22) / Cauley-Stein (26) / Koufas (31)

$17mil for LaVine now seems like a lot but if he stays healthy and you are rolling into 2020-21-22 only paying him $18-19mil he could be a bargain that allows that room to max out some other players.

This would give two seasons more (before the Lebron in the West and GS dynasty come to an end) to improve and adjust the roster due to an injury, wrong fit or lack of improvement.

It would be an exciting team at the least with the ability to defend all positions, athleticism to switch out to the perimeter and speed to run the floor.
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Why does it make sense to sign LaVine? There's an active thread discussing him in the Personnel Moves forum (and a poll) and it's pretty clear most around here don't necessarily agree with you.
 
VF21 said:
Why does it make sense to sign LaVine? There's an active thread discussing him in the Personnel Moves forum (and a poll) and it's pretty clear most around here don't necessarily agree with you.
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I should have worded it better. If we are a least four years' away from being a Top 4 teams in the West it makes sense to sign young free agents that can develop with the existing core/youth of the team, LaVine and Exum being the examples of this.

I understand the polls might not agree but and perhaps a topic for another thread but I'd be interested to hear what other's 2019-20 lineups looked like taking into account kingsboi's hope we would be the next team up in 4 year's time?
 
Agent23 said:
Absolutely. There’s absolutely no rush. It’s not like this team is a player away from the playoffs. No long term SF yet? No problem, they can ge one later. This team’s best bet is developing the elite prospects they have. That is the only way.
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There were a number of young SF’s who we could/should have gotten on the roster as another possibility to Jackson who is far from a sure thing.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I think we'll wind up getting a pick in 2019 but I'm glad there is no incentive to tank.

Also just because the top gets better it doesn't mean the next tier is impossible to break into. I don't expect playoffs but I do expect a 10 win improvement. And then comes the real test. If you look at how bad a team like the Blazers has bungled things thinking they could move up a peg or two after a surprisingly strong playoff run in 2016.
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Agree completely. Even I expect a 10 win improvement. Realistically though, 10 wins is pretty huge, since it will require us to win most of the games we are expected to win, and compared to last year, many more that were borderline, or we were expected to lose. Let's see if the team is up to it.

As for Dave's point about waiting in the West, that's pointless. Sure, the top teams will decline in a few years, but we are not competing with them. We can at best hope that the team will stay in the hunt for the 8th spot over a good part of the season, and that itself will be a huge improvement. That part is never going to be easier. While some teams fall, others will step in. This year itself, Mavs have added Doncic and Jordan, Lakers have added Bron, and change, and Suns have added Ayton, Bridges, and Ariza. All these teams were below us, and will be expecting big improvements this year. Lakers improvement is a given, and Mavs too may see improvement, given that they are adding a proven, experienced center, and their rook comes with solid, professional experience. Suns might need to wait like us, since their major additions are rookies, though Booker's return will help them too. As against that, Clippers are the only team who have lost a major piece (not counting Ariza's loss for Houston, since for us, that's a different tier anyway. Similarly, waiting on the DMC story to see how Pelicans are impacted, but with Jrue and Davis, they'll be much better than us in the near future, even without Boogie).

The reason I think we need to wait is because we need to find some playing time for our vets in the hope of trading them for something, and we need to find time for the kids to help them develop, and see what we have. Adding more pieces negatively impacts both these aims.
 
The Phenom said:
I should have worded it better. If we are a least four years' away from being a Top 4 teams in the West it makes sense to sign young free agents that can develop with the existing core/youth of the team, LaVine and Exum being the examples of this.

I understand the polls might not agree but and perhaps a topic for another thread but I'd be interested to hear what other's 2019-20 lineups looked like taking into account kingsboi's hope we would be the next team up in 4 year's time?
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Yeah, that's definitely a topic for a new thread. :)
 
roasthawg said:
We'll win so many games in the second half of the season next year based on not tanking alone. I know that last year we didn't exactly tank but this year will be all about W's until the bitter end. That alone is probably good for a five game improvement by itself.

I agree with the sentiment that there's no rush to be really good.
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I think a lot of Kings fans are hung up on not having a draft pick in 2019 and the potential internet embarrassment the Kings will face if the pick ends up being a really high one. I’ve made peace with it and as a fan will be more invested in seeing the young kids grow instead of stressing over the lack of pick in 2019 and what all these blog boy/internet nerds have to say about my squad.
 
I agree for the most part. Although, I truly believe we need that glue guy that will keep the team together cause there's gonna be a lot of bumps this year.
 
Agent23 said:
I think a lot of Kings fans are hung up on not having a draft pick in 2019 and the potential internet embarrassment the Kings will face if the pick ends up being a really high one. I’ve made peace with it and as a fan will be more invested in seeing the young kids grow instead of stressing over the lack of pick in 2019 and what all these blog boy/internet nerds have to say about my squad.
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Exactly. What’s done is done. It was a bad trade (although ways to rationalize it at the time), and everyone has already killed Vlade for it. If it ends up being the number one pick or number 13, that’s just luck at this point....the trade was equally bad. I say try not to give a flying **** what the media and other fans say about the kings. Let’s just lie in waiting for this team to grow and hope we get the last laugh. The raw talent is there.
 
I've been saying this for a while. We KNOW (at least those that aren't delusional) that this team isn't winning in the next couple of seasons. So, any salary spent on a free agent (3-5 year deal most likely) during the next two years at least is water down the drain, and if they help the team win more games, then it actually sets them back as far as draft position.

We also know the Kings cannot sign top free agents. End of this point's discussion.

So, why not use the available cap space over the next two years to absorb bad contacts in addition to young prospects or draft picks? At least the teams get something in return for their money and brings in assets for the future to either help facilitate deals or acquire more talent in the draft during the rebuild process.
 
The Kings are in a small market. They have had trouble signing good FAs and making trades of really good players. They are destined to build the team through the draft.
 
I agree that there is no way we should be making bad win-now type moves just to avoid a low draft position next season. In that sense I agree we need to forget about the trade and the missing draft pick in 2019.

However, I think I'm going to continue to reserve the right to be hella salty if (read: when) we do end up with a pretty bad record next year and Boston end up picking near the top of the draft because of it. Don't think I'm ready to let that go.
 
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