Bobby at SG

[SDKing]

What do you think about letting Bobby start at the 2 guard? There are probably plenty of teams in this league that would love to have him as a starter (if he could stay healthy). I know we'd be pretty small in the backcourt, but we've all seen what bibby and bobby are capable of on the floor together. Do you think we'd need more size than that, or would it work?

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I would have to dissagree that Bobby should be SG. Well becausethe problem with that is since the past 2 years or so, Bobby hasn't really shot the ball well. He always fades away when he shoots which is really odd to me. He is a good defender but he is VERY undersized if he was a SG. Lots of otehr SGs can shoot right over him. Also, I think the problem with the KIngs this year was size because we had short people. The tallest person we had was Brad and he is 6 feet, 11 inches tall. Also, he wawas out for a lot of the year and only did good in the beginning of the year.

Anyway, i think that is a bad move by the KIngs if they do that. The kings need to get a new SG that can shoot teh ball when it is time for him to shoot, and a SG that can pass when he knows it is time. That is why I like brent Barry, but I doubt the Spurs will trade him.

 

[chriswebber]

I agree.

Please also bring back Evans and House and Barnes (use MLE and LLE). So, our backcourt has

PG: Bibby, House
SG: BJax, Evans, Martin
SF: Peja, Barnes
PF: Thomas, Williamson
C: Miller, Skinner, Ostertag

Actually, I like Chris Andersen's hustle play. If he opts out, it will be good. If not, can Hornets sign and trade him for Ostertag?

Also, I guess Jerry West feel Gasol too soft. If Grizzles want to trade Gasol as quick as they can, a package of Williamson and Skinner will match Gasol's salary and will clear Grizzles' books in 2-3 years.

For our draft pick, please draft Wayne Simien if he can become a Rodman/BigBen type player.

PG: Bibby, House
SG: BJax, Evans, Martin
SF: Peja, Barnes
PF: Gasol, Thomas, Simien
C: Miller, Andersen

Our rebounding will be improved and we will have a hustle bench.

 

[Packt]

Bobby's best off the bench where is style of play can be seen as a "spark". If he's not playing well, you can send him back to the bench. If he's your starting SG, and not playing well, sending him to the bench can be disruptive, to the team and lockeroom.

The Grizzlies would want more than Williamson and Skinner for Gasol.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Grizzlies would want more than Williamson and Skinner for Gasol.

Way more.

He's not a franchise player, but he's worth a lot more than random garbage.

 

[SacTownKid]

Way more.

He's not a franchise player, but he's worth a lot more than random garbage.

Wow, those were some harsh comments.

 

[captain bill]

Some true comments.

As time goes on I have less and less understanding of the Webber trade. There had to be at least one legitimate starter out there that some team would have been willing to part with for Webber.

 

[SacTownKid]

Some true comments.

As time goes on I have less and less understanding of the Webber trade. There had to be at least one legitimate starter out there that some team would have been willing to part with for Webber.

Obviously not. You need to realize that unless you are getting a KG, Shaq, Duncan calibur performance paying anyone 20 million dollars + per season kills any chance you have to build a team for the future. Webber is hitting his mid 30's, has an injured knee, etc. He is still a good player but not one you can build around. If you can't build around a guy making 20 mil. a year then you are screwed. Look at Philly, their payroll is going to be tops on the league next season, and they may not be any closer to contending for a title.

 

[hrdboild]

Actually, I like Chris Andersen's hustle play. If he opts out, it will be good. If not, can Hornets sign and trade him for Ostertag?

Also, I guess Jerry West feel Gasol too soft. If Grizzles want to trade Gasol as quick as they can, a package of Williamson and Skinner will match Gasol's salary and will clear Grizzles' books in 2-3 years.

For our draft pick, please draft Wayne Simien if he can become a Rodman/BigBen type player.

PG: Bibby, House
SG: BJax, Evans, Martin
SF: Peja, Barnes
PF: Gasol, Thomas, Simien
C: Miller, Andersen

Our rebounding will be improved and we will have a hustle bench.

I like Chris Anderson too. That'd be a nice pickup with part of the MLE if he want to come here. I don't know what kinds of offers he'll get, but I would think after a horrendous season in New Orleans he would relish the opportunity to play for a winning team and sellout crowds. A trade for Tag isn't going to happen though. Unfortunately for us, I think N.O. is done clearing the books and is looking to sign talent now. And Anderson is a free agent, so they won't sign him if they don't want him.

Pau Gasol is an interesting player. He's weak defensively, but he'll take it all the way to the hoop and dunk it if given the opportunity which is something this team has been lacking. (horrible flashbacks of the 'Amare block') However, if Memphis does trade him, they want to get a proven starter in return, not spare parts. Unlike the Webber situation, Pau is young so his contract isn't a major obstacle. If you want him on the team, you'll probably have to give up Brad Miller since we don't have anyone else with size right now.

I don't know that Wayne Simien projects to a Rodman/Big Ben. Certainly that would be a best-case scenario, but really I think that's expecting too much from a projected second-round pick. I would agree with you though that a Rodman/Big Ben tye player is what we should be looking for in the draft. I would really like to see us trade up a few spots (ideally with Toronto who has two first round picks so might part with #16) and pick up someone who can help us at PF right away.

 

[SacTownKid]

I like Chris Anderson too. That'd be a nice pickup with part of the MLE if he want to come here. I don't know what kinds of offers he'll get, but I would think after a horrendous season in New Orleans he would relish the opportunity to play for a winning team and sellout crowds. A trade for Tag isn't going to happen though. Unfortunately for us, I think N.O. is done clearing the books and is looking to sign talent now. And Anderson is a free agent, so they won't sign him if they don't want him.

Pau Gasol is an interesting player. He's weak defensively, but he'll take it all the way to the hoop and dunk it if given the opportunity which is something this team has been lacking. (horrible flashbacks of the 'Amare block') However, if Memphis does trade him, they want to get a proven starter in return, not spare parts. Unlike the Webber situation, Pau is young so his contract isn't a major obstacle. If you want him on the team, you'll probably have to give up Brad Miller since we don't have anyone else with size right now.

I don't know that Wayne Simien projects to a Rodman/Big Ben. Certainly that would be a best-case scenario, but really I think that's expecting too much from a projected second-round pick. I would agree with you though that a Rodman/Big Ben tye player is what we should be looking for in the draft. I would really like to see us trade up a few spots (ideally with Toronto who has two first round picks so might part with #16) and pick up someone who can help us at PF right away.

I wouldn't give up Brad for Pau. NO WAY!!!!

As far as the draft I did hear that the Kings were working out Ronnie Turiaf and Mike Bell. Turiaf is a banger who boards and plays D. Bell is a good shot blocker. I wouldn't want to start a drafted player next season at PF. I would rather go after a guy with some experience.

 

[sloter]

Pau for Brad would be a steal for the Kings.

 

[Gary]

Pau for Brad would be a steal for the Kings.

I agree but I feel Brad will come into his own this year, and every year he has improved so I might want to keep Brad.. Now a Brad/Pau combo on the front lines? WOW! BUT we would have to give up Peja.. ARGH.

 

[Rain man]

I agree.

Please also bring back Evans and House and Barnes (use MLE and LLE). So, our backcourt has

PG: Bibby, House
SG: BJax, Evans, Martin
SF: Peja, Barnes
PF: Thomas, Williamson
C: Miller, Skinner, Ostertag

Actually, I like Chris Andersen's hustle play. If he opts out, it will be good. If not, can Hornets sign and trade him for Ostertag?

Also, I guess Jerry West feel Gasol too soft. If Grizzles want to trade Gasol as quick as they can, a package of Williamson and Skinner will match Gasol's salary and will clear Grizzles' books in 2-3 years.

For our draft pick, please draft Wayne Simien if he can become a Rodman/BigBen type player.

PG: Bibby, House
SG: BJax, Evans, Martin
SF: Peja, Barnes
PF: Gasol, Thomas, Simien
C: Miller, Andersen

Our rebounding will be improved and we will have a hustle bench.

I just don't see how this works at all. I second the comment that the Griz would be CRAZY to take Corliss and Skinner for Gasol. Jerry West has one of the best eyes for talent. Frankly, Skinner and Corliss are both overachieving bangers (both have done way more with their size and limitations than they ever should ahve, and have pretty much capped out as the player they will become). West likes to get guys who have underachieved so far and have high potential ceilings. Pau Gasol IS the example of this. He has so much talent and has been great so far, but the sky could really be the limit for him if he ever puts it ALL together and gets tougher. So no way West makes that deal.

Further, KT is a disaster off the bench. Way too much money to be a bench player, and the exact wrong attitude to be a bencher. The only way KT stays is if we deal Peja and decide to try him at 3 or if we continue with him as our 4. My take is that KT was brought in to be moved and I would bet his chances of returning are less than 25%.

Last, Bjax as the starting 2 is not a good move either. BJax is a streaky shooter, and energy guy, a guy who creates his own shot and is fearless. This is perfect to come off the bench. Plus, BJax has never really shown that he operates well within an offensive system, he is much more freelance. In many ways, he is similar offensively to Cuttino, but it works for him because 1) he is much more aggressive driving the hole, and 2) he comes off the bench, and the bench unit usually relies much more on hustle and pushing tempo than the starting unit that relies on running a system.

And none of this even considers the disaster of having BJax D up on big 2 guards every night. He has shown in the past that he could D up a 2 for short periods (I remember him playing Kobe in the WCF), but to ask him to do it for a full season would be ridiculous. Think of what Ray Allen did to him the few times they went head to head this last series. Bjax tried hard, but simply didn't have the size of strength. Guys like Kobe, Allen, Joe Johnson, Bonzi Wells, etc... would feast on him.

If I had to guess, we fill the SG position with a moderatly skilled system player. I am envisioning a mid-priced player (MLE) who shoots well, is smart, passes well, and at least tries on defense. I haven't researched who is available this season, but I am thinking of the Spurs picking up Brent Barry last year. Someone like that is gonna be the starting SG for the Kings next year.

 

[Rain man]

Once I actually looked at the list of available SGs there are not a lot of guys who fit that Brent Barry type of SG.

Best bets in my eyes are Kerry Kittles, DerMarr Johnson, Eddie Jones...

Eddie Jones seems like the biggest stretch of the group because he has a player option and makes a ton of money. The chances of him opting out are minimal, but if he did he would be a great fit.

Kittles: I would love to see him come. Coming off a big contract, but probably won't command more than an MLE this time around. Very good outside shooter, seems to work well in a system (really flourished without the ball when teamed with Kidd- found his spots, took his shots and didn't try to do too much). good size and gives effort on D. I think he would be an excellent fit with Bibby and would give us some boards, D and, outside shooting at SG.

DeMarr: I don't know much about him. Great size and athleticism (could be a good rebounder/defender- he has the Tayshaun Prince type body), seem to be an improving shooter. Would be available for MLE...

 

[ParniValjak]

Once I actually looked at the list of available SGs there are not a lot of guys who fit that Brent Barry type of SG.

Best bets in my eyes are Kerry Kittles, DerMarr Johnson, Eddie Jones...

Eddie Jones seems like the biggest stretch of the group because he has a player option and makes a ton of money. The chances of him opting out are minimal, but if he did he would be a great fit.

Kittles: I would love to see him come. Coming off a big contract, but probably won't command more than an MLE this time around. Very good outside shooter, seems to work well in a system (really flourished without the ball when teamed with Kidd- found his spots, took his shots and didn't try to do too much). good size and gives effort on D. I think he would be an excellent fit with Bibby and would give us some boards, D and, outside shooting at SG.

DeMarr: I don't know much about him. Great size and athleticism (could be a good rebounder/defender- he has the Tayshaun Prince type body), seem to be an improving shooter. Would be available for MLE...

What about Bonzi Wells??????

They said he won't be back in Memphis. Would he be after more than MLE?

 

[SacKingsFX]

Bobby Jackson is 5'11; that 6'1 figure on the online roster is a big stretch. bobby would be able to do a decent job guarding others, but he's undersized as hell as a sg. no, bobby would not be able to play a whole game as a sg.

edit: maybe if we run huge guys at the 3, 4, and 5, then maybe... just maybe

 

[VF21]

Bobby has been listed as a shooting guard for years at Virtual GM. He's played the 2 with Bibby on the court at times and it hasn't been that bad.

I don't know if it would work in the long run, but it might be interesting to try...