Bench is the biggest problem. Petries picks. adleman, maloofs. etc.

[pedro]

Petrie has made some god awful picks and I don't just mean the webber trade. It's always about money for the maloofs, so they traded webber to save some money. Forget the fans. Forget a terrible season. The maloofs know only money. But it's not just the maloofs. Petrie has done a terrible job and grabbed a bunch of worthless stiffs in this process. Not only in the webber deal where the maloofs wanted to be greedy but the picks he's made in 2005 have been downright deplorable. None are showing anything noteworthy.

The bench is a joke. Petrie needs to be sent packing. Pure and simple. There is a lot of overseas all star caliber talent that could have been brought over for dirt cheap. Petrie instead picks players that haven't amounted to anything and are stinking up the team.

Adleman has never been a great coach. The man has been decent to good but not great. He's inherited a few good teams in his career however. That said, i'd much rather have the 2nd winningnest coach of all time, don nelson. Why? We can't rebuild the team overnight and don nelson can actually take losing teams and make them somewhat successful. Even if we have to run and gun. I'm all for more wins in the short term of the remaining season. The way it's going now, who knows if we will even make the playoffs, let alone get out of the first round.

Peja: no matter how much you hate peja, and personally I could care less if he is traded or not, he still averages 17ppg and 42.5% on threes. Name another non-problematic SF that is "availabe" who can do that as well. Their aren't many, if any at all.

The following players definitly need to go. I don't care how they are packaged. They need to go.

garcia,
hart,
martin,
skinner,
thomas,
price(40% fgp) this guy stinks too only the stink isn't quite as bad.
sampson-never even heared of this guy, maybe he can play a little backup sf or pf but he's very skinny for 6'11. petrie sure picks winners eh?

Corliss is the only one who may have some guts and might be worthy of keeping. Then agaiin, I'm all for packaging the bench we have and shipping it out of califronia. My new years wish. Addleman fired, petrie fired, all the above players traded. Nelson brought in.

 

[Ryle]

Don Nelson????

No thanks, and no thanks on more Euro players.

 

[gilly420]

i agree its getting real bad. if you have to put it on one person, its petrie. After a great run he has stunk it up the last two and a half years. name me one good move since 2003. Ill name you seven to eight bad ones.

 

[playmaker0017]

Don Nelson????

Could it be any worse than current?

no thanks on more Euro players.

There is supposedly a great defensive PG over in Europe right now. I'd be all over it.

 

[Ryle]

Could it be any worse than current?

Probably not as I want Adelman gone but I just don't see any reason to bring Don Nelson in. I think Terry Porter would be a better option.

 

[pedro]

Don Nelson????

No thanks, and no thanks on more Euro players.

And you can't even give your reasons why? Dosen't surprise me. I think I know why though. You just want brothas. Even though they're stinking up our bench. Very obvious in your acerebral base level reply. Give your reasons why you don't like nelson. Give your reasons why no euro-stars. Peja isn't like all euros. Peja sure as hell wasn't like vlade. Or do you like a bench of black "players" who stink it up? Euro players would be doing a far better job than the stiffs we've got now.

Backup SF for peja.... jorge garbajosa. This guy is far better than our current backup Sf. http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=AHV

pg backups
marko popovic
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ATP

juan carlos navarro
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ADI

Backup center, darius lavrinovic,
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWK

Backup center or pf, robert javtokas, very defensive minded and has mucho hops. I saw him block Duncan, Amare, Marion and Odom at the olympics in one game. Very impressive.
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BVE

You are free to live under a rock a think that our bench is better than any of the studs I named, so be it. The bench is the problem. Most people are voting on the kings nba webpage, that the bench is the biggest problem. Go look at the poll.

 

[playmaker0017]

I think Terry Porter would be a better option.

I'm not sure I'd be for that. Considering I want the "Princeton Offense" to rot - and Porter is a fan of it, from what I've heard.

What makes you feel that he would be a good option?

I'm not being argumentative, I know very little about coaches in this league.

 

[pedro]

Could it be any worse than current?



There is supposedly a great defensive PG over in Europe right now. I'd be all over it.

There are a lot of good pg's and there's defensive minded pg's like dimitrios diamantidis. He's stopped tony parker on two occasions holding him to just 4ppg. there are also others but at the sg spot, ramunas siskauskas, a very good defensive sg but can also score. I don't care where anyone is from. If they have the talent and are stars in europe, even better. I don't see us getting any star caliber players in the nba. What team in their right mind would give em up for our bench scrubs?

 

[pedro]

Probably not as I want Adelman gone but I just don't see any reason to bring Don Nelson in. I think Terry Porter would be a better option.

Tery porter isn't the answer and won't help matters. His style is counter intuitve to the starting lineup that the kings currently have. He isn't much of a defensive coach either. Most of the starters would have to be traded. One thing we don't need is another nate mcmillan or doc rivers.

 

[D-Mass]

Tery porter isn't the answer and won't help matters. One thing we don't need is another nate mcmillan or doc rivers.

You jumped all over Ryle for not giving reasons for not wanting Don Nelson...so what are yours for not wanting Terry Porter?

 

[tyrant]

the bench IS a joke. they were horribly outscored (something like) 30-8 by portlands bench.

 

[Packt]

lock the thread now please!

 

[D-Mass]

And you can't even give your reasons why? Dosen't surprise me. I think I know why though. You just want brothas. Even though they're stinking up our bench. Very obvious in your acerebral base level reply. Give your reasons why you don't like nelson. Give your reasons why no euro-stars. Peja isn't like all euros. Peja sure as hell wasn't like vlade. Or do you like a bench of black "players" who stink it up? Euro players would be doing a far better job than the stiffs we've got now.

nice....

 

[playmaker0017]

You just want brothas.

Classy. Real classy.

There was no indication that this poster preferred one race to another. To imply such with no reason is quite rude. To imply it with your racial slur is downright wrong.

Very obvious in your acerebral base level reply.

First, I have no idea what "acerebral" means. I assume you mean cerebral. If that is the case, then I still have no idea what the heck you mean. It sounds like you are trying to sound intelligent but failing miserably.

Second, I suggest you quit the verbal thrashing and rude taunts you are attempting to give people. It doesn't go over very well here.

 

[Ryle]

I don't know.....I think this is kind of funny. Some of the players you mentioned were drafted by NBA teams so I'm not sure about their availability. Also, didn't Navarro already flunk out of the NBA???

You basically lost any thread of credibility when you mentioned that Don Nelson should be our coach so I won't bother responding to all of your other garbage.

 

[D-Mass]

Classy. Real classy.

There was no indication that this poster preferred one race to another. To imply such with no reason is quite rude. To imply it with your racial slur is downright wrong.

First, I have no idea what "acerebral" means. I assume you mean cerebral. If that is the case, then I still have no idea what the heck you mean. It sounds like you are trying to sound intelligent but failing miserably.

Second, I suggest you quit the verbal thrashing and rude taunts you are attempting to give people. It doesn't go over very well here.

The prefix "a" in front of "cerebral" would mean "without", so I suppose "acerebral" would mean "without the use of intellect." But...I looked up the word and it doesn't exist..."unintelligent" would probably be a better choice.

But then again, should anyone throwing around racial slurs like that be calling people "unintelligent?" Probably not...maybe "acerebral" is the better choice...

 

[playmaker0017]

The prefix "a" in front of "cerebral" would mean "without", so I suppose "acerebral" would mean "without the use of intellect." But...I looked up the word and it doesn't exist..."unintelligent" would probably be a better choice.

Ah ... touche.

I guess I was thrown off because "acerebral" isn't a word and doesn't work with the prefix 'a'. Heh. Kind of like being "aconfused" or "alost". Some words just don't work with it.

I'd probably roll with "unintelligent" on that one also. But, "acerebral" makes one sound "aintelligent".

 

[Packt]

Probably meant to say acerbic/acerbate (bitter, resentful), which would explain some of the other comments.

 

[twocents]

it is not upto me to defend another poster, but still. i thought that pedro used the "brotha" or "black player" to refer to american style of play. in that sense, jason williams or mike bibby would be "brotha"s as well. most people around the usa and abroad for that matter liked the sacramento kings for their refreshing style (ok, princeton style was old, but it was like a fresh breath of air in the isolation/one-on-one dominated nba basketball) of play. that style could be employed because there were international players who are fundamentally sound and know team play. recently, the trend in the kings has been just the opposite. there is no single winning strategy. it is just that the current and recent fan base started supporting the kings because they were playing exciting and entertaining basketball. not anymore. pedro thinks that the kings should re-acquire similar talent and go back to what was working a few years ago. i am of the same thought. the kings that were unduly eliminated in the western conference finals played the best basketball i have seen in the nba since the bulls era.

 

[playmaker0017]

i thought that pedro used the "brotha" or "black player" to refer to american style of play.

That's all well and good, but it's still quite ... ummm... racist.

If I used the term "brotha" talk ... it would be derisive. Even if I was referring to urban youth speak in America.

As for going back to the old Kings style of play ... I think it's a misnomer to assume every European is more fundamentally sound than an American "brotha".

European players have a decent flunk out rate ... it's a pretty big gamble when you go overseas. But, it's getting easier to pick players. But just deciding Europeans are the solution because they all play a particular style is king of silly.

You get the best player you can to fill a particular role on the team. Regardless of race or origin.

That was part of the failing of this team. They chose the best player available to fill an open position ... but not to fill a particular role.

 

[thesanityannex]

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sampson-never even heared of this guy, maybe he can play a little backup sf or pf but he's very skinny for 6'11. petrie sure picks winners eh?

It's obvious you've never heard of him. Sampson at SF??? LMAO

 

[twocents]

well no. europeans really play different. less individual play, more team play. for that to work, you have to know how to pass, how to dribble, how to read the game, etc. regardless of your position. in the nba, individual strengths are emphasized. it is not a matter of having skills but being able to mesh with others by using your skills. the rarity of a real pg in the nba, ala jason kidd or john stockton, is one very observable outcome.

as for being racist; i am not sure. basketball is being taught in one way in the usa, and in another way in europe. it is nothing but normal that produced players reflect the formation they receive. so yes, the european players, on the average, are more fundamentally sound compared to their american peers. saying that europeans are fundamentally sound because it is in their genes, or that the americans are playing more selfish because their dna is coded that way would be racist.

 

[twocents]

and yes, europeans carry a certain risk. most players cannot adapt to the style of play in the nba and disappoint. but if your team is sucking already, it does not hurt to try new things, which of course must have a non-zero probability of success.

 

[playmaker0017]

the rarity of a real pg in the nba, ala jason kidd or john stockton, is one very observable outcome.

The NBA caters to superstars. It's an individual league. Of that there is no doubt.

Pass-first PGs don't get a lot of dollars when it comes down to it. So, there is a trend to the me-first PGs because of this. People know and respect scorers.

as for being racist; i am not sure

Then let me clear it up for you - it is very racist.

basketball is being taught in one way in the usa, and in another way in europe.

That may or may not be completely true. I've not played basketball in Europe. So I can't compare the "TEACHINGS". I would assume that basketball is basketball where ever you teach it and that fundamentals don't change.

The difference is celebrity. American's tend to be geared towards individuality and fame ... in comparison to the rest of the world. Capatilism and all ...

Anyhow, that being said - it's not a black/white thing ... so calling it a "brotha" thing is an incorrect statement and quite derogatory.

saying that europeans are fundamentally sound because it is in their genes, or that the americans are playing more selfish because their dna is coded that way would be racist.

If it could be proven, then no it wouldn't be racist.

It would be racist if you made such a statement with no backing. It would also be racist to make a judgement call on a player based on their race ....

It would further be racist to call a style of basketball "brotha" inspired.

I mean, go ahead and call it "jungle ball" or "porch monkey slamma jamma"...

it's all the same.

It's cool to be open about race and all, and I'm cool with my race and have no issues ... but that WAS and IS racist.

 

[twocents]

this is a typical case of a word becoming a fetish: it has lost its original meaning and morphed into something bigger than it really is. i stand by my assertion that "racist" means attributing certain properties to race, that is, claiming certain properties are innate. that is precisely how hitler identified the jewish race for instance. he proved and backed his argument with numbers that jews are egoistic, selfish creatures that are the viruses of the society.

anyway, this will go anywhere but basketball. so i will stop at this point.

 

[Bonzinator]

Petrie has made some god awful picks and I don't just mean the webber trade. It's always about money for the maloofs, so they traded webber to save some money. Forget the fans. Forget a terrible season. The maloofs know only money. But it's not just the maloofs. Petrie has done a terrible job and grabbed a bunch of worthless stiffs in this process. Not only in the webber deal where the maloofs wanted to be greedy but the picks he's made in 2005 have been downright deplorable. None are showing anything noteworthy.

The bench is a joke. Petrie needs to be sent packing. Pure and simple. There is a lot of overseas all star caliber talent that could have been brought over for dirt cheap. Petrie instead picks players that haven't amounted to anything and are stinking up the team.

Adleman has never been a great coach. The man has been decent to good but not great. He's inherited a few good teams in his career however. That said, i'd much rather have the 2nd winningnest coach of all time, don nelson. Why? We can't rebuild the team overnight and don nelson can actually take losing teams and make them somewhat successful. Even if we have to run and gun. I'm all for more wins in the short term of the remaining season. The way it's going now, who knows if we will even make the playoffs, let alone get out of the first round.

Peja: no matter how much you hate peja, and personally I could care less if he is traded or not, he still averages 17ppg and 42.5% on threes. Name another non-problematic SF that is "availabe" who can do that as well. Their aren't many,

The following players definitly need to go. I don't care how they are packaged. They need to go.

garcia,
hart,
martin,
skinner,
thomas,
price(40% fgp) this guy stinks too only the stink isn't quite as bad.
sampson-never even heared of this guy, maybe he can play a little backup sf or pf but he's very skinny for 6'11. petrie sure picks winners eh?

Corliss is the only one who may have some guts and might be worthy of keeping. Then agaiin, I'm all for packaging the bench we have and shipping it out of califronia. My new years wish. Addleman fired, petrie fired, all the above players traded. Nelson brought in.

how much does peja average in the fourth quarter.

 

[playmaker0017]

this is a typical case of a word becoming a fetish: it has lost its original meaning and morphed into something bigger than it really is.

Has it?

You're defending the word selection, based on your own admission that you don't really know what he meant when he said "brotha".

So, really, you have no idea what the original meaning was.

I've NEVER heard the term "brotha" used to define "Americans". I HAVE heard the term "brotha" used to define "blacks". I would be offended if I passed someone and they said: "Look at that brotha across the street."

Also, when someone says: "Or do you like a bench of black "players" who stink it up?" right after saying "brothas" ... I tend to think he's talking about black people ... not American style of basketball.

i stand by my assertion that "racist" means attributing certain properties to race, that is, claiming certain properties are innate.

That is but one definition of racism.

Racism in it's most general form is creating, either through deed or word, an unsubstantiated claim that creates inequality, generalization or discrepancies between races.

For instance, while I may or may not agree, it has been argued that "blacks" are superior athletes due to genetics. It HAS been proven that "black" athletes have a different percentage mixture of muscle fibers than any other race and these muscle fibers are served best by the motions in most sports. This is NOT a racist statement to use this in conjunction with the notion that "blacks" are superior athletes. (the example could be changed to mention that "blacks" athletes have less fat content in their muscles which lead to them being less gifted swimmers than most other races, to provide a "con")

But it IS racist to say "you want more brothas on the bench". It is racist to imply that "blacks" play different basketball than other races.

It is enough to stop this discussion. I won't get out of hand, but I can say I was offended.

 

[Kings113]

pedro goes all over message boards saying this stuff. He tried this at KingsTalk a number of times. Just let it pass.

Agreed with Ryle.

 

[gman23]

well no. europeans really play different. less individual play, more team play. for that to work, you have to know how to pass, how to dribble, how to read the game, etc. regardless of your position. in the nba, individual strengths are emphasized. it is not a matter of having skills but being able to mesh with others by using your skills. the rarity of a real pg in the nba, ala jason kidd or john stockton, is one very observable outcome.

as for being racist; i am not sure. basketball is being taught in one way in the usa, and in another way in europe. it is nothing but normal that produced players reflect the formation they receive. so yes, the european players, on the average, are more fundamentally sound compared to their american peers. saying that europeans are fundamentally sound because it is in their genes, or that the americans are playing more selfish because their dna is coded that way would be racist.

This is getting stupid...every sports player regardless of the sport is COACHED team play 1st then individual Skills 2nd. As far as I know the KINGS are not playing team ball NO MATTER what the COLOR of the SKIN... Now lets move TFO.

 

[JJ22L]

And you can't even give your reasons why? Dosen't surprise me. I think I know why though. You just want brothas. Even though they're stinking up our bench. Very obvious in your acerebral base level reply. Give your reasons why you don't like nelson. Give your reasons why no euro-stars. Peja isn't like all euros. Peja sure as hell wasn't like vlade. Or do you like a bench of black "players" who stink it up? Euro players would be doing a far better job than the stiffs we've got now.

Backup SF for peja.... jorge garbajosa. This guy is far better than our current backup Sf. http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=AHV

pg backups
marko popovic
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ATP

juan carlos navarro
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ADI

Backup center, darius lavrinovic,
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWK

Backup center or pf, robert javtokas, very defensive minded and has mucho hops. I saw him block Duncan, Amare, Marion and Odom at the olympics in one game. Very impressive.
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BVE

You are free to live under a rock a think that our bench is better than any of the studs I named, so be it. The bench is the problem. Most people are voting on the kings nba webpage, that the bench is the biggest problem. Go look at the poll.

Trying to defend your arguement by bringing in race...?????

Yea you just totally destroyed any validity anything you said had...if it had any in the first place..