Bee: Whisenant completes job interview

Fresno King said:
To see if he could get along with the Whizzinator, of course.

Or to at least portray that Artest and Whis are on the same side of the fence.

I have real concerns about the long-term compatability of Whis and Artest. If Whis is as defensively oriented with the Kings as he has been with the Monarchs, I see a time when he tells Artest to quit focusing on offense and just do his job defensively.

And then I see fireworks...

One of the things Artest most wanted to do and was happiest about under Adelman's tutelage was play more offense. If that's taken away again, who knows what might happen...
 
VF21 said:
Or to at least portray that Artest and Whis are on the same side of the fence.

I have real concerns about the long-term compatability of Whis and Artest. If Whis is as defensively oriented with the Kings as he has been with the Monarchs, I see a time when he tells Artest to quit focusing on offense and just do his job defensively.

And then I see fireworks...

One of the things Artest most wanted to do and was happiest about under Adelman's tutelage was play more offense. If that's taken away again, who knows what might happen...


I don't watch the monarchs but would he actually tell Ron to stop playing offense? What is his offense like? Who else would be our offense?


The more I hear about Whis, the more I hate this decision.
 
I actually don't hear Whiz telling anybody to stop focusing on offense. What he might say is stop taking those dumb*** early in the shot clock shots when there aren't any rebounders around. He's defensive-minded true, but the guy realizes you do need to score points too. He's a motion offense kinda guy, loves cutters and good decision making point guards who can push an uptempo style, he also loves post players who can pass - but the design might also be something he turns over to an assistant.

I'm with 6th, Whiz is not a weasle or even weasle-like. He's pretty solid as far as people go.
 
VF21 said:
Or to at least portray that Artest and Whis are on the same side of the fence.

I have real concerns about the long-term compatability of Whis and Artest. If Whis is as defensively oriented with the Kings as he has been with the Monarchs, I see a time when he tells Artest to quit focusing on offense and just do his job defensively.

And then I see fireworks...

One of the things Artest most wanted to do and was happiest about under Adelman's tutelage was play more offense. If that's taken away again, who knows what might happen...
Good points something to definitely think about.
 
Monty'sBiggestFan said:
I actually don't hear Whiz telling anybody to stop focusing on offense. What he might say is stop taking those dumb*** early in the shot clock shots when there aren't any rebounders around. He's defensive-minded true, but the guy realizes you do need to score points too. He's a motion offense kinda guy, loves cutters and good decision making point guards who can push an uptempo style, he also loves post players who can pass - but the design might also be something he turns over to an assistant.

I'm with 6th, Whiz is not a weasle or even weasle-like. He's pretty solid as far as people go.

sound familiar?

and God help us all if one or any of his assistants are more qualified to be the head coach of the kings.
 
Monty'sBiggestFan said:
I actually don't hear Whiz telling anybody to stop focusing on offense. What he might say is stop taking those dumb*** early in the shot clock shots when there aren't any rebounders around. He's defensive-minded true, but the guy realizes you do need to score points too. He's a motion offense kinda guy, loves cutters and good decision making point guards who can push an uptempo style, he also loves post players who can pass - but the design might also be something he turns over to an assistant.

I'm with 6th, Whiz is not a weasle or even weasle-like. He's pretty solid as far as people go.
Whiz most likely won't go unconventional and allow Ron to bring the ball up court and play like kobe and Mcgrady and this is something that he wanted to do and was one of the major reasons that he got so board in Indiana and it was a big issue why he wanted out.




I'm so demanding of the ball. It's not my fault," he said. "Every time somebody is on me it's a mismatch. It messes up the offense. I like Coach (Carlisle) as a person, but I don't like playing for Coach. I like my team, though."

downplaying his recent shooting slump -- declaring that bad shots he takes should be shrugged off as if "Kobe or Tim Duncan or Michael Jordan" took them: THIS WAS THIS SEASON


Bottom line is whis has some big work to do and the moment Ron doesn't see himself like kobe or Mcgrady there can be some problems and the credibilty issue will surface, people act like whis is going to go through the season like adelman with Ron and there isn't going to be any problems. But the difference is whis isn't adelamn,Rick has a history of Dealing with coach killers:Webber,jim jackson,doug christie had issues before coming to Sac Bonzi wells and ron artest.


This change of Scenary helped Ron and His various mood swings Become productive citizens of the basketball community and inspired him to change his out look and take on the open Responsibilties that he so craved being confined and Restricted of doing in Indiana. This couldn't have been accomplished with a Great popovich or larry Brown, Maybe a phil jackson but Defintely a Rick adleman Because of the type of Coach that he is.


Rick allowed Ron to Basically Dribble the shot clock off like a Kobe Bryant or allen iverson, He allowed him to shoot the ball through triple teams,He had the patience that Ron would see that his 1 on 5 style of play would hinder the Team as a whole and during stretches Ron would tone down his individual play which he did and the kings went on a 4-5 game road winning streek. The key here is that there aren't too many coaches who have the patience and caoching skills to handle players like ron artest and Bonzi wells.





Artest seeks a system in which he can score more, which would lead to a bigger contract when his expires in 2008. He has a player option for $8.5 million for the 2008-09 season.
"Here I don't think I'm going to have a chance to maximize my opportunity for my potential," he said. "When I first got here, all I wanted to do was play defense. I never really cared about offense, but what I see is players like Kobe (Bryant), Tracy (McGrady), (Gilbert) Arenas and Jermaine (O'Neal) getting the opportunity to maximize their potential on the court and to get paid. I'm out of my character a little bit here.
"I don't think I'm going to maximize my opportunity just playing defense. I have to show I'm one of the premier players on offense on the wing. So when it's that time, there's no question what type of player I am."


He says it all there, He can play Defense and Bring that Defensive intensity to any team that he is apart of, But his Frustration and mood Swings had to do allot with the system and How he views himself as a player, He feels he's on the level offensively like kobe and others, He just doesn't want to play Defense and post up in a structured flow.
 
There is no structured flow in Whisenant's system. What you talk about with Artest would have been the same with anybody the Maloofs brought in if the feeling was that he bonded with Adelman because Adelman let him do whatever.

Whisenant didn't just fall off a truck, the guy understands what he's getting himself into and understands the volitile nature of Artest. Everybody gets that and I think most understand too that the jury is still out on the Artest experiment. It won't be because of Whisenant that Artest falls off the wagon, it will be Artest's doing as it always has been....if it happens.
 
BMiller52 said:
This clown has never coached in the NBA. The second most impressive thing on his resume is that he coached his son's AAU team.

Compare that to an NBA veteran like Mario Elie who has won 3 championships, been an assistant for 2 NBA teams, played tough defense, and knows Ron Artest.

Won 3 championships? Did the presence of great players surrounding Mario have anything to do with those championship rings?

To quote the bio on NBA.com: " After going undrafted by the NBA in 1985 out of American International College – a Division II school in Springfield, Massachusetts – Elie played in Portugal, Argentina, Ireland, the USBL, the WBL and the CBA before making his NBA debut with the Philadelphia 76ers in December of 1990. "

So he wasn't wanted (drafted), played in several "minor" leagues and finally was given the chance to prove himself in the NBA. Why did they give Mario a chance? It was because of his hardnosed work ethic in NON-NBA venues.

If Whiz gets the nod with the Kings, then we should all give him the same consideration. I don't see anything that earns him the title of "clown" in his resume.
 
GeorgeofSacramento said:
I don't see anything that earns him the title of "clown" in his resume.

certainly not. but i don't see anything that earns him the title of head coach of the sacramento kings in his resume, either.
 
Monty'sBiggestFan said:
There is no structured flow in Whisenant's system. What you talk about with Artest would have been the same with anybody the Maloofs brought in if the feeling was that he bonded with Adelman because Adelman let him do whatever.

Whisenant didn't just fall off a truck, the guy understands what he's getting himself into and understands the volitile nature of Artest. Everybody gets that and I think most understand too that the jury is still out on the Artest experiment. It won't be because of Whisenant that Artest falls off the wagon, it will be Artest's doing as it always has been....if it happens.

Hopefully it won't happen! And, yes, if it happens, the major part of the blame will be Artest's, however, we (as Kings fans) may very well pay the price. When you make a gamble like Artest, and it pays off so well, you had better be very careful not to upset the apple cart. Ron flourished under Adelman's leadership, and if were the Maloofs I'd think very hard about picking a coach that will complement Artest's attitude/personality. Not that I believe in babying players, but Artest is a unique case, and if things blow up it's not going to matter who you want to point your finger at, because it's the team that will suffer.
 
GeorgeofSacramento said:
Won 3 championships? Did the presence of great players surrounding Mario have anything to do with those championship rings?

To quote the bio on NBA.com: " After going undrafted by the NBA in 1985 out of American International College – a Division II school in Springfield, Massachusetts – Elie played in Portugal, Argentina, Ireland, the USBL, the WBL and the CBA before making his NBA debut with the Philadelphia 76ers in December of 1990. "

So he wasn't wanted (drafted), played in several "minor" leagues and finally was given the chance to prove himself in the NBA. Why did they give Mario a chance? It was because of his hardnosed work ethic in NON-NBA venues.

If Whisenant does become the next Kings coach, we all have to give him a chance to see how he can perform as an NBA head coach. It isn't our decision to be made, it is the Maloofs and Petrie's. We really don't know how Whisenant will do in the NBA, we can only sit and watch. This is Whisenant's chance to prove that he is a coach worthy of being the NBA, and if he does get the job, I hope that he does well.
 
Whisenant sounds like Plan B or C. What happened during the other interviews of the more compitent coaches with NBA experience? The Maloffs know they had him in their back pockets and already had a relationship with him. Very weak...very weak indeed and that is without taking into account what Rick Adelman did for us...besides that RA was totally punked. A very sad time in Kingsland. :mad:
 
Padrino said:
certainly not. but i don't see anything that earns him the title of head coach of the sacramento kings in his resume, either.

true. but, you all don't have to like him or want him to be the coach, but respect him. Starting off by not calling him a clown.
 
GeorgeofSacramento said:
Won 3 championships? Did the presence of great players surrounding Mario have anything to do with those championship rings?

To quote the bio on NBA.com: " After going undrafted by the NBA in 1985 out of American International College – a Division II school in Springfield, Massachusetts – Elie played in Portugal, Argentina, Ireland, the USBL, the WBL and the CBA before making his NBA debut with the Philadelphia 76ers in December of 1990. "

So he wasn't wanted (drafted), played in several "minor" leagues and finally was given the chance to prove himself in the NBA. Why did they give Mario a chance? It was because of his hardnosed work ethic in NON-NBA venues.

If Whiz gets the nod with the Kings, then we should all give him the same consideration. I don't see anything that earns him the title of "clown" in his resume.

That's just plain ridiculous.

We are talking about somone who went undrafted and pretty much played 11 YEARS IN THE NBA on basically minimum contracts. It's really about the experience of what it takes to win a championship and Mario just happens to have 3, regardless of who he was playing with.

I will give Whiz the benefit of the doubt if he becomes the coach but I think it's pretty clear that the only reason he is getting it is because he is buddies with the Maloofs, and that is a fact. If Coach T joins him on the bench I will be seriously pissed but if he surrounds himself with good NBA people who have experience it just might work out.

By the way, I dressed up as a clown for one of my kids parties but I don't put it on my resume so you never know ;)
 
It's funny when Monarchs fans start defending the very coach they do not want to lose because some people are so mad at the Maloof's choice that they have to attack him on a personal level. All many of us are saying is, put your anger where it belongs.....on the Maloofs. They are the ones who are making a decision about who the next coach will be. Yes, Coach Whis could have said no, but who would turn down such an honor?

He is a good man, a good coach, and yes, a friend of the Maloof family. That may well be the reason he gets chosen over more qualified candidates and for fans.....it sucks. Just, please stop with the personal bashing of the man. He does not deserve it.
 
6th said:
It's funny when Monarchs fans start defending the very coach they do not want to lose because some people are so mad at the Maloof's choice that they have to attack him on a personal level. All many of us are saying is, put your anger where it belongs.....on the Maloofs. They are the ones who are making a decision about who the next coach will be. Yes, Coach Whis could have said no, but who would turn down such an honor?

He is a good man, a good coach, and yes, a friend of the Maloof family. That may well be the reason he gets chosen over more qualified candidates and for fans.....it sucks. Just, please stop with the personal bashing of the man. He does not deserve it.

Well put 6th & I would tend to agree with you.
 
GeorgeofSacramento said:
So he [Elie] wasn't wanted (drafted), played in several "minor" leagues and finally was given the chance to prove himself in the NBA. Why did they give Mario a chance? It was because of his hardnosed work ethic in NON-NBA venues.

If Whiz gets the nod with the Kings, then we should all give him the same consideration. I don't see anything that earns him the title of "clown" in his resume.

This is exactly the point George. After Elie proved himself in several "minor" leagues, he was given to opportunity to prove himself a contributer in the NBA. The 76ers did not bring him into be the star or "head player" because he had "been successful in every other league" he had played in. They brought him in as a complimentary player, you could even say an "assistant player." The more Elie proved himself in the NBA and adjusted to its game, the bigger his role became until he proved to be a great 2nd tier player for several championship teams.

Forgetting the fact that the Kings would take him from the Monarchs mid-season, I do not think there's any rational fan on this board who would have a problem bringing JW in as an assistant coach. He has a breadth of basketball knowledge and has achieved a lot in those "minor" leagues. We could certainly see how he adapted and keep him in consideration for a future position.
 
Some positives that coaches Whiz will bring to the table.

1. He is friends with the owners.

2. Will be not be afraid to bench unproductive players.

3. Is a smart man. Both on and off the floor.

ok, help.
 
I really don't want to see this end up with Kings fans and Monarchs fans at each other's throats. But, I'm going to be perfectly honest. We who are primarily Kings fans are not happy about this choice for the most part. We believe there are eminently more qualified NBA individuals out there who should have received serious consideration. It's pretty clear by now that this wasn't done. As the Bee circles around actually calling it a done deal only because they can't get any of the parties concerned to confirm it, it's becoming more and more clear that this was a long time coming.

John Whisenant has led the Monarchs to a title. That's wonderful for the Monarchs and their fans. But in my mind that alone does not give him the credentials I would deem necessary for him to follow Rick Adelman as the coach of the Sacramento Kings.

Yes, it's wrong for some to call Whis names, but it happens all the time. Adelman was called pretty much every bad name in the book and some new ones were invented.

Primarily, people are complaining most vehemently about his resume. And I'm among them.

Please, could we make a conscious effort to keep this from becoming a fight between Monarchs fans and Kings fans?
 
You are right, VF21. I don't think Monarchs fans want to start anything with Kings fans. You know that many of us are fans of both teams. Also, Monarchs fans recognize that Coach Whis is not qualified (at this point) to be a Head Coach in the NBA much less follow one of the best coaches in the history of the NBA. Heck who is qualified?.....not many. Not only that, they are not anxious to lose last year's WNBA COY who led them to a championship.

We are all in the same boat. No one wants to see John Whisenant as the Kings next Head Coach. But, to call him a clown, and worse, just because he coached the women only adds to the dissing of the women that the owners seem only too willing to do.

This is not about Kings fans or Monarchs fans. It is about the Maloofs acting like idiots.
 
Sptsjunkie said:
This is exactly the point George. After Elie proved himself in several "minor" leagues, he was given to opportunity to prove himself a contributer in the NBA. The 76ers did not bring him into be the star or "head player" because he had "been successful in every other league" he had played in. They brought him in as a complimentary player, you could even say an "assistant player." The more Elie proved himself in the NBA and adjusted to its game, the bigger his role became until he proved to be a great 2nd tier player for several championship teams.

Forgetting the fact that the Kings would take him from the Monarchs mid-season, I do not think there's any rational fan on this board who would have a problem bringing JW in as an assistant coach. He has a breadth of basketball knowledge and has achieved a lot in those "minor" leagues. We could certainly see how he adapted and keep him in consideration for a future position.

I have no arguments with this. It's well thoughtout and supported. Thank you.
 
GeorgeofSacramento said:
Can we please raise the discussion above this level?

Could you ALL please keep your comments about the topic at hand and not resort to personal confrontations with other posters?

I'm trying to keep this open and allow everyone to have their say.

Come on, Monarchs fans. The majority of you NEVER post in the main Kings forum. You're only doing so now because you're taking offense at some posts in this and some of the other threads discussing Whisenant.

Please, if you have a problem with a post or poster, use the "refer a post." Either Bricklayer or I will look into it.

Thanks...
 
VF21 said:
"The most important thing is that (Joe and Gavin Maloof) find a coach that they can embrace and commit to," Petrie said. "It has to start there, and then after that, we'll do what we always do and try to make it work."

"I feel like I've been here forever," Petrie said.

Reading this makes me feeling kind of sick to the stomach. What a change from the days when the Maloofs would be sitting courtside, sheepishly telling a sideline reporter how they aren't really basketball people and they put it in Geoff's hands because he knows a lot more than they do.
 
Kev.in said:
Reading this makes me feeling kind of sick to the stomach. What a change from the days when the Maloofs would be sitting courtside, sheepishly telling a sideline reporter how they aren't really basketball people and they put it in Geoff's hands because he knows a lot more than they do.

He still does. It's just that now the Maloofs think they've learned enough to be able to tell Geoff what to do (or what they want). Boy are they wrong.
 
6th said:
He still does. It's just that now the Maloofs think they've learned enough to be able to tell Geoff what to do (or what they want). Boy are they wrong.

Unfortunately, I think they've been dazzled by all the bright lights and shiny objects involved in the media hype. They're the darlings of the NBA right now. Even Mark Cuban can't compete. So, I think they've actually bought in to the hype, the fantasy, that they're "bulletproof" (as Brickie has said) and that they do indeed have the Midas touch. (And they well might... remember what happened to Midas.)
 
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