Bee: Kings arena at Cal Expo?

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http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/360997.html

A Bee Exclusive: Kings arena at Cal Expo?
In a blow to city's railyard plan, NBA is said to prefer fairground for its open land and parking lots.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Wednesday, September 5, 2007
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A13


The NBA has settled on Cal Expo as the preferred location for a new Kings arena, according to sources familiar with the league's behind-the-scenes effort to build the team a new home in Sacramento.

Despite its location on one of Sacramento's worst freeway bottlenecks, Cal Expo appeals to the NBA because it offers a ready supply of vacant land and a name already recognized as an entertainment destination, said the sources, who asked not to be identified because the league hasn't yet unveiled its proposal.

NBA Commissioner David Stern has said he will reveal his plan for a new arena about the time the basketball season starts this fall. League consultant John Moag, who is in charge of the effort, said he will come to Sacramento later this month to brief elected officials on his progress.

Moag would not publicly detail the NBA's ideas for Sacramento, but said the proposal is taking shape.

"There's a lot of discussion that has to go on, but I think we're very quickly getting to the point where we can roll up our sleeves and see if we can work something out," Moag said Tuesday.

"The commissioner has kind of set the first part of November as a target date for having something wrapped up. I think that's realistic."

Assistant City Manager John Dangberg, the lead city staff member on arena issues, said Moag confirmed to him Tuesday that he will be in Sacramento the week of Sept. 17.

"I'm just happy we're at that stage where we're ready to start briefing council members," he said.

NBA Commissioner Stern took over the effort to build an arena for the Kings after voters in November soundly rejected a city-county proposal to raise sales taxes to fund a facility in the downtown railyard.

That failed campaign took place amid a fierce public battle between local leaders of the arena effort and the Maloofs, owners of the Kings, who insisted the financial terms of the deal were not favorable enough to them. Taxpayers would have funded the entire $500 million or so needed to build an arena.

The railyard has faded as a potential arena site, with Cal Expo now the favored location, the sources said. Unlike the railyard, Cal Expo has existing streets and other needed infrastructure.

The state-owned facility occupies 360 acres of prime real estate near Arden Fair mall, and its board is looking for new uses to help bolster its bottom line and occupy parking lots that sit empty most of the year.

Moag has visited Cal Expo and requested information, but the NBA hasn't presented an actual proposal yet, said Brian May, Cal Expo deputy general manager.

"We've been neutral on the whole matter because they haven't presented us with any kind of proposal we can react to," May said.

Dangberg stressed that the biggest hurdle to building an arena in Sacramento won't be the question of where to put it, but how to pay for it.

In previous interviews, Cal Expo officials have stressed that there's no way the state-owned fairgrounds could pay for an arena. Cal Expo does not generate enough cash to make a dent in its own $40 million in deferred maintenance needs, and receives no money from the state general fund.

Legislation moving through the Capitol could help.

Senate Bill 282, which is awaiting a vote in the Assembly, would create a joint powers authority that could authorize the issuance of bonds for improvements to Cal Expo, and the leasing of Cal Expo land to private developers.

Any bonds would have to be paid back with money generated by the fairgrounds, said Doug Yoakam, legislative director for the bill's author, Sen. Dave Cox, R-Fair Oaks.

"The state would not be on the hook for any bond debt," he said.

Cox agreed to carry the bill as a way to help Cal Expo come up with money to modernize its aging facility, Yoakam said. An arena wasn't on the radar when the bill was introduced, and isn't a factor behind the senator's pursuit of the bill now, he said.

Cal Expo general manager Norb Bartosik said SB 282 is not connected to the arena effort. Still, there's nothing in the bill that would prevent it from being used as a financing vehicle for such a facility, he said.

"It would be handy to use in any developmental process Cal Expo (pursues) in the future," Bartosik said.

About the writer: The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@sacbee.com.
 

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Well, I guess this is a step in the right direction but I personally HATE the idea of having the arena at CalExpo. The traffic on Arden is always horrible, and games around the holidays would be impossible... BUT if it means a new facility for the Kings, I can learn to adjust.

I also have to question this comment:

The railyard has faded as a potential arena site, with Cal Expo now the favored location, the sources said. Unlike the railyard, Cal Expo has existing streets and other needed infrastructure.
It was my understanding the railyard faded as a potential arena site quite a while ago, like when the developer didn't include it in any of his latest plans.
 
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Arden Way is a problem, but the exit off the Capital City freeway to Cal Expo is Exposition Blvd. I cannot think of a worse bottleneck all the way around than the Captial City Freeway starting about 3:30 pm until at about 6:30 pm M-F - just horrible! Of course, I'd take it as a new arena location if there's no other viable option - but I'd leave for a 7pm game three hours early.
 

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You have to wonder if this could mean starting games later like they do at Staples.

I think there are a lot of factors at work, though, and if SB 282 means they can buypass a public vote, it might be the only realistic way to get the deal done.
 
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Even if they started at 8pm it would still be a traffic nightmare getting there IMO - and only getting worse over time. I still don't see why the land or all that land out by the existing ARCO Arena is not in the equation. No traffic nightmare bottleneck with easy access to I-80 and I-5.
 
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With a little proper planning, the city could utilize public transportation in and out of that sit. They could use a light rail extension to Cal Expo/Arden Fair Mall or maybe extend that little monorail they have to go downtown.

Driving there just takes some careful planning, SR-160 has been a good way to get around the bottleneck of Business 80 and the 50/99 interchange...
 
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Logistically this would be a nightmare both for commuters and for residents in the area. I drove by over the weekend when they were holding the state fair and the line to exit on Exposition was all the way back to the train tunnels/curve area.

I am not be in favor of this idea unless they can seriously address traffic concerns in the area, and I don't see how they could.
 
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With a little proper planning, the city could utilize public transportation in and out of that sit. They could use a light rail extension to Cal Expo/Arden Fair Mall or maybe extend that little monorail they have to go downtown.

Driving there just takes some careful planning, SR-160 has been a good way to get around the bottleneck of Business 80 and the 50/99 interchange...
Public Transportation doesn't work and I for one would not use it. Cal Expo really sucks as a site but what are you going to do???
 
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I have never posted before, but I read this everyday. I wonder if anyone but me has thought of the Raley-Maloof Sports Center at and around Raley Field. Parking is here, the acreage is here, is there something I don't know about this site? Just a question
 
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I have never posted before, but I read this everyday. I wonder if anyone but me has thought of the Raley-Maloof Sports Center at and around Raley Field. Parking is here, the acreage is here, is there something I don't know about this site? Just a question
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20953

Welcome, but maybe you missed this thread. West Sac/Yolo County as a option for a new sports arena was mentioned here.
 
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I dont care where they put this damn new arena, just get it done already so we can keep our team. Cal Expo is a traffic nightmare, and no one in this city would use public transit, outside of myself and a few state workers in the downtown area, but hell, in the time it takes to build a new arena, they can build new traffic outlets to the new arena in all that wide open space at Cal Expo. I'm sure the NBA isnt totally ignorant to the traffic issues with this location, and I'm sure they have answers that we will find out about hopefully within the next couple of months.
 
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Well, I guess this is a step in the right direction but I personally HATE the idea of having the arena at CalExpo. The traffic on Arden is always horrible, and games around the holidays would be impossible... BUT if it means a new facility for the Kings, I can learn to adjust.

I also have to question this comment:



It was my understanding the railyard faded as a potential arena site quite a while ago, like when the developer didn't include it in any of his latest plans.
The developer didn't have an arena in his first plan. It was added at the city's request. Then taken out again. I'm sure that plan's going to keep changing for a bit. I think the railyards was out, as soon as the NBA found out they were mislead about funding for the infrastructure. As far as I know, the city still hasn't figured out where to get the $500 miliion. Nothing will be built there until they do.

I lived in the general area near Cal Expo. Had to commute downtown for years. Cal Expo is an utterly horrible site for an arena. The traffic sucks at the best, is hell at it's worst. Highway 160 is not a very good alternative as you still have to access the area off of Cal Expo Blvd or Ethan/Hurley. Likely no way to improve access. November-December are a nightmare with Christmas shoppers.

Where the current Arco is located is so much better. Ten minutes from downtown, no major bottleneck, mutiple major interchanges off of 5, 80 and 99. The problem there is lack of financing options.

I understand the appeal of Cal Expo. Land that could be leased from the State (cash infusion for Cal Expo). State bond financing (favorable terms loan). May not have to deal with the city/county at all. If that's the best we can get, so be it. But I hate that location.:(
 
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Not the ideal location but if it keeps the Kings then I'm fine with Cal Expo. Not sure if this is something to get excited about yet though, or just another plan that will fall apart so I dunno how to feel about this.

btw I'm not sure I'm right about this cuz I just skimmed the article-but the way I read it is that the city still wanted to put the arena in the rail yards? If so then why would they still have that insane idea in their head? The NBA's already soured on that location+developer IMO because the way those clowns handled it last time, the fact that it wouldn't be done for a very long time, and just the overall situation of that place. Just give up on the Rail Yards/Kings combo, it's not gonna happen and just do what you have to to keep the Kings here. Honestly I don't think anything will ever happen with the rail yards, the overall situation there just seems rather messy to me.
 
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Cal Expo is teh suck for an arena, but if the choice is no arena, or Cal Expo arena...I'll go with the traffic and while I sit in traffic I'll smile the whole time, so long as the arena gets built and the Kings stay in town.
 
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The developer didn't have an arena in his first plan. It was added at the city's request. Then taken out again. I'm sure that plan's going to keep changing for a bit. I think the railyards was out, as soon as the NBA found out they were mislead about funding for the infrastructure. As far as I know, the city still hasn't figured out where to get the $500 miliion. Nothing will be built there until they do.

I lived in the general area near Cal Expo. Had to commute downtown for years. Cal Expo is an utterly horrible site for an arena. The traffic sucks at the best, is hell at it's worst. Highway 160 is not a very good alternative as you still have to access the area off of Cal Expo Blvd or Ethan/Hurley. Likely no way to improve access. November-December are a nightmare with Christmas shoppers.

Where the current Arco is located is so much better. Ten minutes from downtown, no major bottleneck, mutiple major interchanges off of 5, 80 and 99. The problem there is lack of financing options.

I understand the appeal of Cal Expo. Land that could be leased from the State (cash infusion for Cal Expo). State bond financing (favorable terms loan). May not have to deal with the city/county at all. If that's the best we can get, so be it. But I hate that location.:(
Traffic would be utter hell there. I live in the Arden area and I avoid the area, at any time of the year. No way whatsoever to improve access. Games would have to be later in order for it to even sort of make sense. Busienss 80 is already routinely clogged up, imagine it at 6pm on a game night???
 

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I suspect the Senate Bill has a lot more to do with this than is being discussed at this point. I am just glad to see some kind of movement.

Other cities have arenas in areas where you would think traffic would make it impossible and they've managed to solve the problems.

If placing the arena at CalExpo helps benefit the infrastructure around there, that's just another bonus.

I, too, would much prefer the arena to stay in the Natomas area, especially since my mother just moved to within walking distance of Arco, but that's my personal preference speaking.

I just want to see Sacramento get a state-of-the-art sports/entertainment venue (and, of course, a new facility for the Kings!) and if it ends up being at CalExpo, I'll deal with it however it takes.
 

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Not the ideal location but if it keeps the Kings then I'm fine with Cal Expo. Not sure if this is something to get excited about yet though, or just another plan that will fall apart so I dunno how to feel about this.

btw I'm not sure I'm right about this cuz I just skimmed the article-but the way I read it is that the city still wanted to put the arena in the rail yards? If so then why would they still have that insane idea in their head? The NBA's already soured on that location+developer IMO because the way those clowns handled it last time, the fact that it wouldn't be done for a very long time, and just the overall situation of that place. Just give up on the Rail Yards/Kings combo, it's not gonna happen and just do what you have to to keep the Kings here. Honestly I don't think anything will ever happen with the rail yards, the overall situation there just seems rather messy to me.
The whole appeal of the Cal-Expo site is that it would effectively bypass the city and county's governing bodies. It wouldn't matter what the city council or county board of supervisors want as it would fall under the Cal-Expo umbrella:

The state-owned facility occupies 360 acres of prime real estate near Arden Fair mall, and its board is looking for new uses to help bolster its bottom line and occupy parking lots that sit empty most of the year.
And ...

n previous interviews, Cal Expo officials have stressed that there's no way the state-owned fairgrounds could pay for an arena. Cal Expo does not generate enough cash to make a dent in its own $40 million in deferred maintenance needs, and receives no money from the state general fund.

Legislation moving through the Capitol could help.

Senate Bill 282, which is awaiting a vote in the Assembly, would create a joint powers authority that could authorize the issuance of bonds for improvements to Cal Expo, and the leasing of Cal Expo land to private developers.

Any bonds would have to be paid back with money generated by the fairgrounds, said Doug Yoakam, legislative director for the bill's author, Sen. Dave Cox, R-Fair Oaks.

"The state would not be on the hook for any bond debt," he said.

Cox agreed to carry the bill as a way to help Cal Expo come up with money to modernize its aging facility, Yoakam said. An arena wasn't on the radar when the bill was introduced, and isn't a factor behind the senator's pursuit of the bill now, he said.

Cal Expo general manager Norb Bartosik said SB 282 is not connected to the arena effort. Still, there's nothing in the bill that would prevent it from being used as a financing vehicle for such a facility, he said.

"It would be handy to use in any developmental process Cal Expo (pursues) in the future," Bartosik said.
There is potential here and if it's the only real choice, then I'll support it.
 
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I would sit in traffic for 2 hours before every game as long as the Kings would stay in Sacramento for the next 10 years. Besides, if the city planners (who make Sacramento city planners seem like genius's) in LA can get it done at Staples then Sacramento can get something moderately acceptable. Maybe this will encourage the city to expand the light rail system which I find rather nice.
 
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The whole appeal of the Cal-Expo site is that it would effectively bypass the city and county's governing bodies. It wouldn't matter what the city council or county board of supervisors want as it would fall under the Cal-Expo umbrella:



And ...



There is potential here and if it's the only real choice, then I'll support it.

Yeah, I'd love it if they could just get something done without dealing with the morons they had to deal with last time. I'll sit in traffic for a million hours as long as the Kings stay here:D .

I still don't get why the city council wants an arena in the rail yards. That just makes 0 sense to me.
 
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http://www.kcra.com/news/14047828/detail.html

"There haven't been any discussions relative to a proposal made by the NBA," said Brian May, spokesman for Cal Expo. "We've simply just provided the NBA information. We've had a couple meetings with their consultant."


May said the NBA has not yet said Cal Expo is a preferred site for any new arena.


"There's clearly interest on the NBA's part, simply by the amount of information that they've requested and a couple of meetings that we've held with them," May added. "But again, there's been no discussion that led us to believe that, as I talk to you at this moment, that they have made their decision that they would like to move forward with Cal Expo. But if and when they make that decision, that's something we will take to our board of directors and see how they feel about it."
 
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You have to wonder if this could mean starting games later like they do at Staples.
This is the thing about Staples:

It's right in the heart of downtown LA, and on game nights, traffic is ridiculous going both ways. There's no easy way to or from the freeway, there are no shortcuts, and most of the streets downtown are one-way, which makes it harder to get around, especially if you don't know what you're doing. On top of all that, there is only parking for about 3,000 at the arena (correct me if I'm wrong), an arena that seats 19,000 on game nights. The rest of the parking is private lots surrounding the area for about a mile that charge $20-40 a night. The Great Western Forum had adequate parking for game nights, or close to it.

Now, I would assume that people in Sacramento are not used to driving with a lot of traffic, so major bottle-necks are probably even worse than they are in LA, not to mention if there's an accident. But if they are looking at a site that can house an arena, enough parking for game nights, and (I'm assuming) building some new streets to and from the highway, then it probably wouldn't be so bad.

The parking situation alone is enough to get excited about; fewer and fewer professional sports venues don't have adequate event parking. I went to a Detroit Tigers game a couple months ago, and they only have a couple thousand spots at Comerica Park, which is a brand new stadium.

So if the Kings are going to get an arena with event parking, that's a big deal in and of itself, and will, along with the fact that it's not in a downtown area with one-way streets, relieve a lot of the residual traffic normally associated with a new arena. I'm not familiar with the area up there, but I'm assuming that if it's currently used for fair grounds, it will suffice for an NBA arena that will only be used 41-50 nights a year.

And if it becomes necessary to move game times to 7 or 7:30 in order to ease the traffic, then so be it. Kind of sucks for East coast fans, but so does Monday Night Football. And, honestly, there's not that many Kings fans on the East coast (respects to Bricklayer and Slim).
 
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Yeah, I'd love it if they could just get something done without dealing with the morons they had to deal with last time. I'll sit in traffic for a million hours as long as the Kings stay here:D .

I still don't get why the city council wants an arena in the rail yards. That just makes 0 sense to me.
Ah...WORD...no no...DOUBLE WORD!!:D Traffic aint nothin' if I'm happy! And I 'morons' would be giving a few of them too much credit, perhaps. lol
 
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Is widening the freeway out of the question? I don't live in Sac anymore, so I don't know if this is even a remote possibility.

Why can't the Kings play in San Jose for a year (like the Warriors did) and rebuild an arena on the current site???? Weren't they thinking about putting a football stadium out there at one point???

I would blow up the current ARCO, turn that space into a parking lot, and build on all that open space adjacent to the arena.
 
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Is widening the freeway out of the question? I don't live in Sac anymore, so I don't know if this is even a remote possibility.

Why can't the Kings play in San Jose for a year (like the Warriors did) and rebuild an arena on the current site???? Weren't they thinking about putting a football stadium out there at one point???

I would blow up the current ARCO, turn that space into a parking lot, and build on all that open space adjacent to the arena.
Widening of the freeway would be a headache, but building a couple of new outlets to Cal Expo from Biz 80 would be more feasible, I would think. As far as playing in SJ, that wouldnt be an option, as I doubt anyone would be looking to do a full scale refurb of the current Arco as opposed to just building a new one for the same price. I think that building a new one next to the current one would be smart...but it looks like that would be a secondary option, now.

edit: oh yeah, and that hole in the ground next to Arco Arena with all the re-bar sticking up from it...that was supposed to be Arco Park(multi-use football/baseball stadium)...20 years ago.:D
 
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Madison Square Garden is in the middle of Manhattan, but I guess since most people in New York are accustomed to travel by train, getting in and out of there isn't as bad as we Drive Oriented Californians think it is.