Bee: Better arena deal: Let Kings play for free

#31
Quite simply, the city/County is NOT in the arena management business, they have no residing expertise in that area, and thus they are smart to stay out of it.

Same thing as the cafeteria business in public buildings. The government has zero expertise in food business management, so it hires a contractor to run the business, pay a royalty or "rent" (oftentimes pre-qualifying bidders and then competing them and selecting on highest annual royalty or "rent" bid), and the contractor gets to keep the profit (or losses) from operating the business on government property. The arena is EXACTLY the same deal, albeit with bigger dollars to run that business.

Military bases are now trending toward contract operations of all facilities, which those contractors typically do not own but HAVE in some locations, since the overall price tag using expert operations staff can be a lot lower than using government employees (and/or owning the facilities). There are numerous examples of the government doing deals which parallel the new arena deal on the table at present.

The government could in no way negotiate a "piece of the action" from running everything without running it themselves and accepting their share of the losses, should they occur. They're NOT equipped to do this and they in no way want to have an uncertain major line item that could be red at the end of the fiscal year. No way. To accomplish what Weintraub sophomorically tosses out there, they would have to hire an outside contractor with the expertise, and then we are back to where we started with just one more player involved. Instead of the Maloofs being the arena ops contractor, another party would assume that role. And do you think a 3rd party would not want a share of the pie (like the Maloofs)? Do you think the government would accept losses generated by this 3rd party operator?

Dream on, Weintraub.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, sir. This topic is well beyond your abilities.

A final thing that HAS to be considered but perhaps not a point that Arena supporters would want to center upon is that the Maloofs would never accept a deal with another entity operating the arena. Too much loss of creative control, especially if they don't like what another operator is doing at the facility where their team plays NBA ball, as well as the opportunity to make some money, perhaps very good money. With other cities that would be clamoring to get the Kings if a move were announced, the Maloofs know that they can get a far better deal somewhere else than this hypothetical one. That has to be considered in negotiations...whether you like it or not, if someone else is offering a better deal, then you have to match that deal, or you lose. And you have to face the reality that by accepting such a loss, you are likely accepting similar losses with other arena deals/pro sports franchises in the future, UNTIL you change your tune. If a certain part of such deals makes up the typical landscape, then you have to deal with that as best you can and move on.

In the end, what our elected leaders REALLY want from this new arena, is the ancillary development, surrounding and regional spillover business growth, and revitalization and expansion of downtown and the economy. It wants the image of a world class city which will lead to more businesses wanting to relocate ops to the City/County.

Our wise leaders are gladly willing to let the Maloofs reap any potential benefits of running the arena itself, because they know that the area benefits of a new arena and keeping the Kings/Monarchs, too, are far greater.

Easy choice.
 
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#32
Here is another link to the fianancing breakdown of the project. I am kind of slow....could somebody tell me how much McClatchy contributed.

http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/index.htm
The Pirates' share, $44 million, came in part from the sale of the stadium's naming rights to PNC Bank, which paid $30 million for 20 years.
Well I would guess they put in 14 million after the naming rights. They don't mention if that was all upfront or over a term.
 
#33
While the McClatchy involvement in the Pittsburgh stadium deal is very interesting reading, I would not spend much time on it here. Something like this will tend to take away from discussing the real issues and flushing out both sides, since, after all, what McClatchy did somewhere else really has nothing to do with the deal we have to vote on here.

If someone wants to say ... "Pot. Kettle. Black." ...then so be it.
 
#34
Im a little worried, i talk to people at work, and i would say 3/4 of the people i work with all say arco is fine, and when i try to reason with them they say citys in sacramento county will never see a dime, and it drives me crazy so i dont talk to them about it. but i think alot of people think like that and it doesnt seem like they are doing much to educate the people about it. And anything positive they do say...its just arco is fine, the maloofs need to pay for it, i just dont understand how people can be so dumb....anyways with all that said i hope we can just get this thing done :-\
 

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#35
It just became an official ballot measure this afternoon. Until the county supervisors had actually voted to put it on the November ballot, it really would have been premature to start telling people what it would mean.

No ballot measure passes with 100% of the vote, so don't be too discouraged at the people who just aren't going to listen to reason. Just make sure you're registered and that you vote on Election Day.

:)
 

VF21

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#36
While the McClatchy involvement in the Pittsburgh stadium deal is very interesting reading, I would not spend much time on it here. Something like this will tend to take away from discussing the real issues and flushing out both sides, since, after all, what McClatchy did somewhere else really has nothing to do with the deal we have to vote on here.

If someone wants to say ... "Pot. Kettle. Black." ...then so be it.
I wouldn't worry about one small discussion inside a thread about an article written by Daniel Weintraub, especially one that's now moot.

People are discussing it because there's not much else to discuss at this moment. I don't see it lasting much longer...

:)
 
#38
It just became an official ballot measure this afternoon. Until the county supervisors had actually voted to put it on the November ballot, it really would have been premature to start telling people what it would mean.

No ballot measure passes with 100% of the vote, so don't be too discouraged at the people who just aren't going to listen to reason. Just make sure you're registered and that you vote on Election Day.
:)
oh i am! and im making everyone i know vote yes whether they want to or not, i have been able to talk them into it...even if it was with threats :p
 

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#40
One of the ladies here at work heard it and was humored that something I had quickly thrown together got read on the radio. :)