Are the Kings entering a rebuild phase?

Will The Kings actually commit to a rebuild for once?

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Capt. Factorial said:
Felt like the whole time for me. Fanbase was rooting for Lins the whole way, just looking for the next draft pick. I don't buy CD's view of "never actually did a rebuild" - of course we did. We did it for 16 years. Lotto pick after lotto pick after lotto pick. It just never worked, because there's no guarantee it will. Great, sell everything off and start all over again, again. Maybe G1C will host its fifth-ever playoff game before it gets torn down. Maybe it won't.
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It was never purposeful except maybe after we shipped Cousins.

The first three years or so with Musselman and Theus were definitely not "rebuilds" as the team basically thought Adelman was the problem and were so taken aback by Muss daring to get worse they immediately canned him (yes I know the DUI got him off to a bad start when he wasn't really welcomed with open arms, but I think he may actually have been a good enough coach). Theus had a team that was clearly a tank team and the Maloofs again pushed him to win unnecessarily and this was when the lotto odds were definitely favorable to teams that tanked and half the league wasn't openly doing so.

I am on record as saying a Hinkie deal where you are like "we're going to deconstruct a playoff team and not try for the next 5 years" is a horrible deal, but I think setting a 3 year window in which to bottom out and make it tolerable for fans by dropping ticket prices and giving perks for showing up (free food) would go a long way to helping people rebound from the shock of completely destroying what felt like a promising young team just 3 years ago.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
It was never purposeful except maybe after we shipped Cousins.

The first three years or so with Musselman and Theus were definitely not "rebuilds" as the team basically thought Adelman was the problem and were so taken aback by Muss daring to get worse they immediately canned him (yes I know the DUI got him off to a bad start when he wasn't really welcomed with open arms, but I think he may actually have been a good enough coach). Theus had a team that was clearly a tank team and the Maloofs again pushed him to win unnecessarily and this was when the lotto odds were definitely favorable to teams that tanked and half the league wasn't openly doing so.

I am on record as saying a Hinkie deal where you are like "we're going to deconstruct a playoff team and not try for the next 5 years" is a horrible deal, but I think setting a 3 year window in which to bottom out and make it tolerable for fans by dropping ticket prices and giving perks for showing up (free food) would go a long way to helping people rebound from the shock of completely destroying what felt like a promising young team just 3 years ago.
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One good thing is if they were worried about perception fans are angry because they have refused to do the tear down or play the young guys.
 
SacTownKid said:
One good thing is if they were worried about perception fans are angry because they have refused to do the tear down or play the young guys.
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There was really no reason to tear down before last December. Metaphorically we just took a home run swing and not only struck out but let go of the bat and it struck the on deck batter in the head killing him, ricocheted to the guy in the hole blowing out his knee and then bounced around the dugout hitting randoms.

I think we're basically doing this as fast as can be done, assuming we actually do it.

It's the last part that I am lacking all confidence in.
 
LT-Sac-Town said:
Allegedly we are targeting Nico Harrison to lead the rebuild charge. On one hand he totally destroyed his reputation with one disastrous trade, on the other he truly made solid move after solid move in building that Mavs team around Luka to make the WCF and a Finals. Mixed feelings for sure
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No, no, NO.

Some dingdong on Twitter (KingsCharge) said I said that in a tweet. Never said that, never HEARD that, ain’t happening, it’s extremely silly and stupid how these things have a half life.

Hello old friends by the way. Still lurk all the time.
 
I will add to my last post if we are actually doing this, I think I trust Perry a little more in the sell off phase than I would if Monte were doing it. Not sure I love his talent evaluation beyond what we have seen in the 2025 draft, but I think he is actually doing due diligence in finding out the real market value of our players and he has been around long enough that he won't get fleeced.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I will add to my last post if we are actually doing this, I think I trust Perry a little more in the sell off phase than I would if Monte were doing it. Not sure I love his talent evaluation beyond what we have seen in the 2025 draft, but I think he is actually doing due diligence in finding out the real market value of our players and he has been around long enough that he won't get fleeced.
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I think the best way to look at how Perry would handle rebuild moves is to look at how Vlade handled deals without Perry around (trading an unprotected pick and a pick swap just to get off of JT and Landry’s salaries) and with Perry (flipping the 10th overall pick for 15 and 20, just don’t look at what we did with those picks)
 
Tetsujin said:
I think the best way to look at how Perry would handle rebuild moves is to look at how Vlade handled deals without Perry around (trading an unprotected pick and a pick swap just to get off of JT and Landry’s salaries) and with Perry (flipping the 10th overall pick for 15 and 20, just don’t look at what we did with those picks)
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I've said time and time again that we blew all three of those picks based on who was available. I think its egg on Portland's face just as much if not more than ours, but we could have come out of that draft with 3 all star level players and potentially still landed the #2 the following year, or just Fox and Bam who were running mates at Kentucky.

Was Brandon Williams with the team at that time? It's pretty clear our talent evaluation has gotten much better the last 5 years though we have been mis-managing that talent lately.
 
One can't write off rebuilding just because our past GM's were so atrocious working under a "win now" mandate that they got "rebuilding team" results in the W/L column.

Assuming Vivek goes hands off (lol) with decision making we're set pretty well for a 3-4 years rebuild.

We have some good young long term pieces in Keegan, Keon, Clifford, and Carter. We're not going to get amazing picks for any of Deebo, Domas, or Zach but if Perry gets enough mid firsts that's just more opportunity to grab a diamond. Every draft has a stud or two drafted out of the top 10. A few trips to the top 6 in the next two loaded drafts and we might get a star.

Rebuilding is a crapshoot yea, but the team as constructed is guaranteed to not do ****.
 
Turgenev said:
Will Kings Fans ever reach agreement re what constitutes a rebuild?
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I think if we define it in terms of "intentionality" there's no way forward there. We can't know with certainty what our former GMs were thinking, and there's always room to doubt whether they're telling the truth.

If someone says "intention" defines a rebuild, I don't think it's even worth talking about.
 
Turgenev said:
Will Kings Fans ever reach agreement re what constitutes a rebuild?
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Probably not. After watching the Kings through all of it, the Kings didn't rebuild, they tore things down and had no patience beyond that. It's clear to see now that the only part of a rebuild that is controllable and that matters is the "building" done and that's the development of the young pieces a team has. Even if they end up topping out at role player level it's better than just cutting guys, or dumping them later because they never even got a real chance. The Thunder didn't just give up on Dort when it was clear he was going to be a role player and wasn't a great shooter. They continued to develop him and he ended up becoming a key part of them winning it all.
 
All this talk about rebuilding and here I am thinking Vivek is going to zig when everyone expects him to zag by quadrupling down on his “win now” vision (unfortunately) and force Perry to go trade for Anthony Davis. Here’s the blockbuster he’s cooking up for fun (obviously)...

Anthony Davis
Kylie Irving
Daniel Gafford
Naji Marshall
D’Angelo Russell

For

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan
Malik Monk
Dennis Schroder
Dario Saric
Drew Eubanks
Picks



PG - Irving (Rehab) / Westbrook / Russell
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - Murray / Clifford / McDermott
PF - Davis / Marshall / Achiuwa
C - Sabonis / Gafford / Raynaud

PG - Monk / Schroder / Exum / Williams
SG - LaVine / Christie / Hardy
SF - DeRozan / Thompson / Martin
PF - Flagg / Washington / Saric
C - Lively / Powell / Eubanks
 
sactowndog said:
Yes but they will be gone by the top 5 or top 6
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Probably not. D-Pete is definitely taking one of the top slots. Bennett Stirtz has a chance to as well. Mikel Brown can get super hot and have a Trae Young esque rocket up the boards in this class. Cenac is probably more of a 4/5 but he’s got a chance to be just as good as those other guys. It’s still super early so there’s no point in worrying about who is going to be there or not there when the Kings pick.
 
carmichaeldave said:
No, no, NO.

Some dingdong on Twitter (KingsCharge) said I said that in a tweet. Never said that, never HEARD that, ain’t happening, it’s extremely silly and stupid how these things have a half life.

Hello old friends by the way. Still lurk all the time.
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Thanks for confirming I am not you in disguise. Lol
 
iowamcnabb said:
Perry said from day one he wanted this year to be about developing an identity and if wins come, great.

He allegedly called around the league to learn the trade value of his players

He has told multiple media members eyes are on ‘27

He pursued Kuminga an upside swing younger than our draft pick this year.

His signings have been for one year or non guaranteed contracts with the exception of Dennis who is essentially a 2 year deal and someone that can start or come off the bench. Keegan is a long term piece.

I think they are rebuilding but not the version where every player is 19. If I had to guess they are hoping to get a high draft pick this year and they will look to trade future picks for a splash and build around “the splash”, ‘26 draft pick, Keegan and Nique.
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If this is the case, it’s just another faux rebuild that will again lead to mediocrity. You can’t artificially place a firm timeline on when you are done building. If you don’t hit on the ‘26 pick you have to keep going until you have rounded out your roster with a core of 1-2 stars and a solid supporting cast.

This is a great year to start a rebuild with a super stacked 2026 draft class. We also have a top tier roleplayer in Keegan locked up lobg term, so that puts us at a good start. I’d probably trade Sabonis/LaVine/DeRozan trio and hold onto Keon (extend him)/Clifford/Raynaud/Carter. Really see what you have with those guys before you make any firm decisions. I would keep Westbrook and Monk as good vets for the locker room and culture guys.
 
Bosnian Diehard said:
If this is the case, it’s just another faux rebuild. You can’t artificially place a firm timeline on when you are done building. If you don’t hit on the ‘26 pick you have to keep going. Until you have rounded out your roster with a core of 1-2 stars and a solid supporting cast.

This is abgreat year to start a rebuild with a super stacked 2026 draft class. We also have a too tier roleplayer in Keegan locked up lobg term, so that puts us at a good start. I’d probably trade most Sabonis/LaVine/DeRozan trio and hold onto Keon (extend him)/Clifford/Raynaud/Carter. Really see what you have with those guys before you make any firm decisions.
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I think the ‘27 comment is referring to having the most roster flexibility at that point due to contracts falling off the books. I assume Perry plans to add pieces along the way and then maybe make a splash heading into that season if an opportunity presents itself.

I think rebuilds can be defined many ways. I think some fans want the Wizard’s version of a rebuild. They are now in the third year of being a sub 20 win team. Even if they land the first pick they will likely be a sub 30 win team again next year unless they trade for vets. That’s 4 seasons of completely uncompetitive basketball. If they are lucky, things start to trend up and they are serious playoff contenders by year 6.
 
Turgenev said:
Will Kings Fans ever reach agreement re what constitutes a rebuild?
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To me it means trading top players who likely demand major minutes for role players and draft capital.

Cousins for Buddy and a pick that should have been two was a rebuild. Before that I am not sure we ever tried to add picks, we were always selling hoping to win with the guys we had. In fact the most frustrating thing this team has done over the years is not adding extra first rounders in years they were available.
 
iowamcnabb said:
I think the ‘27 comment is referring to having the most roster flexibility at that point due to contracts falling off the books. I assume Perry plans to add pieces along the way and then maybe make a splash heading into that season if an opportunity presents itself.

I think rebuilds can be defined many ways. I think some fans want the Wizard’s version of a rebuild. They are now in the third year of being a sub 20 win team. Even if they land the first pick they will likely be a sub 30 win team again next year unless they trade for vets. That’s 4 seasons of completely uncompetitive basketball. If they are lucky, things start to trend up and they are serious playoff contenders by year 6.
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The NBA isn't giving the Wizards a 1st pick.
 
CD = BS There is no source for his opinion or reporting or whatever the heck it is. He's a slippery one.

I've said for a while now that when the pain from cascading losses gets high enough that the Kings' organization will break from their current path to nowhere. However, we have seen no evidence whatsoever that that is the case. We have to see major trades for picks and young players, as well Kings' youngins being played with substantial minutes with some semblance of a developmental plan before we can begin to believe in a major course shift. I would also expect that the actions would be accompanied by a rhetorical change from Perry - "We are embarking on a new path", etc., etc.
 
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