Are Kings fans willing to see/wait for this roster to develop?

[Gabriel]

I mean, we have the lowest pay roll in the league. you know what they say, you get what you pay for.

So are Kings fans okay with the organization leaving our roster as is and going forward?
Looking into the future, let's imagine our guys as no longer young and inexperienced, but as veterans. Looking at it that way, I STILL don't see this team getting into the playoffs.


What do you think?

 

[captain bill]

If we don't pull any big trades or FA signings, it won't be this team going forward. We'll get a top-3 pick this year and then a likely lotto pick the next year, giving us the current core plus one or two stars out of college.

I'm fine building this way for now. I think with our current team we could sniff the outside of the playoffs next year (esp. considering teams like Pho, Portland, and Denver may fall out of the picture). My only concern is if this creates lagging ticket sales and forces the team out of Sac.

 

[mac]

I mean, we have the lowest pay roll in the league. you know what they say, you get what you pay for.

So are Kings fans okay with the organization leaving our roster as is and going forward?
Looking into the future, let's imagine our guys as no longer young and inexperienced, but as veterans. Looking at it that way, I STILL don't see this team getting into the playoffs.


What do you think?

No, but I don't think the FO is either. We will make some FA signings, how good those signings will be I don't know, but the roster certainly isn't going to be the same all around.

 

[Tetsujin]

No, but I don't think the FO is either. We will make some FA signings, how good those signings will be I don't know, but the roster certainly isn't going to be the same all around.

But I was looking forward to having to deal with Luther Head for the next five years...

 

[Kingstime]

My only concern is if this creates lagging ticket sales and forces the team out of Sac.

This.

Watching these guys go through the grind is better to me than watching what we've been accustomed too since 2005 IMO. I'd rather be out of the picture watching them take their lumps and build through the draft with young talent, than watching irrlevant patchwork being done to keep this franchise as a bottom tier playoff team.

I'd really hope regardless of how this season ends that the front office dangles our pick out there as well, I really don't see the need for yet another high draft pick. Get all our young guys healthy and keep track of their work as the offseason progresses, make a run at a nice low key free agent that could help at our trouble positions and we see where we stand next year as far as growth is concerned.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

no doubt.

 

[Gary]

This.

Watching these guys go through the grind is better to me than watching what we've been accustomed too since 2005 IMO. I'd rather be out of the picture watching them take their lumps and build through the draft with young talent, than watching irrlevant patchwork being done to keep this franchise as a bottom tier playoff team.

I'd really hope regardless of how this season ends that the front office dangles our pick out there as well, I really don't see the need for yet another high draft pick. Get all our young guys healthy and keep track of their work as the offseason progresses, make a run at a nice low key free agent that could help at our trouble positions and we see where we stand next year as far as growth is concerned.

I really think we might have been able to do what Dallas did.. Remember Dallas was a bottom tier playoff team for a couple years (and might have even missed them one year? Not sure on that last part). They picked up some older players and good role players and look where they are now. Not saying we would be as good as Dallas, but Artest could have been the player to keep and then we could bring in guys to surround Artest. I know he's no Dirk but he is a decent enough player. Maybe not trade Bibby as well. Who knows..

 

[Tetsujin]

I really think we might have been able to do what Dallas did.. Remember Dallas was a bottom tier playoff team for a couple years (and might have even missed them one year? Not sure on that last part). They picked up some older players and good role players and look where they are now. Not saying we would be as good as Dallas, but Artest could have been the player to keep and then we could bring in guys to surround Artest. I know he's no Dirk but he is a decent enough player. Maybe not trade Bibby as well. Who knows..

Although, they probably wouldn't have had to pick up all those vets (or at least as many) if they kept Nash.

 

[nickmcclure]

We've been trying to build through the draft for a couple years now and the early returns are not good (though the players are still young and that's ok.) That being said, I say the Maloofs spend some skrill and balance our maturity out with some solid vets who know how to win and can provide some leadership. We need a solid scorer.

 

[kingsboi]

We've been trying to build through the draft for a couple years now and the early returns are not good (though the players are still young and that's ok.) That being said, I say the Maloofs spend some skrill and balance our maturity out with some solid vets who know how to win and can provide some leadership. We need a solid scorer.

I've been saying this forever. We need somebody who will make those tough shots and if he gets double teamed, kick it to the open guy. Until then, we will have way too many games where we stagnate for 5-7 minutes in a quarter.

 

[kingsboi]

Speaking for myself, I would be willing to wait and see this roster develop as soon as we figure out if we have a franchise player in either Reke or Cousins. I am willing to wait a couple of seasons to see if that is the case, because it's just not fair to judge them at this stage in their young careers. If they are, then we will see improvement in attendance, performance and what not. It also would help to put some personnel players out there that mesh together, not just a bunch of random players who do the same things.

 

[nickmcclure]

I've been saying this forever. We need somebody who will make those tough shots and if he gets double teamed, kick it to the open guy. Until then, we will have way too many games where we stagnate for 5-7 minutes in a quarter.

I wish we had given Kevin Martin a chance. I feel we jumped on the 'Reke/Martin backcourt won't work wagon way too early. The team had made some drastic changes, he was injured for so long and they played only 26 games together.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wish we had given Kevin Martin a chance. I feel we jumped on the 'Reke/Martin backcourt won't work wagon way too early. The team had made some drastic changes, he was injured for so long and they played only 26 games together.

26 godawful games.

History lesson, Tyreke and Kevin Martin as a backcourt has basically NEVER worked, ever, in 60 years of NBA basketball. There have been a mere handful of 20pt/20pt backcourt pairings, the majority of them in statpadding run n gun systems, only a couple lasting more than a season or two, and only 1 that ever won anything (Monroe/Frazier), and that one involved two combo guards who both averaged 6assists and kept the offense perking. Combo guard/one dimensional chucker backcourt eating up all the shots and freezing out the rest of the team? No.

 

[Spike]

We've been trying to build through the draft for a couple years now and the early returns are not good (though the players are still young and that's ok.) That being said, I say the Maloofs spend some skrill and balance our maturity out with some solid vets who know how to win and can provide some leadership. We need a solid scorer.

A couple of years now - not much. Why isn't Tyreke beastin? Why isn't Cousins ROY?! What about Whiteside? When will he CHOP?!?!
Building through youth takes time. Ask Portland.

As for the OP, I'm willing to be patient. The FO is building for the long haul, not a patch job to keep us at the bottom rung of the playoff ladder. I understand some of you may not have been around when powder blue wasn't retro, but man, those were some truly awful teams.

 

[kingsboi]

I wish we had given Kevin Martin a chance. I feel we jumped on the 'Reke/Martin backcourt won't work wagon way too early. The team had made some drastic changes, he was injured for so long and they played only 26 games together.

Kevin Martin wasn't a bad scorer, he just wasn't reliable enough when we needed him down the stretch. Defenders would start getting up on him and he would either turn it over or try to draw a foul that won't be called like it was earlier in the game. He was really really frustrating to watch, I have to admit. We need a reliable scorer with good elevation or quickness/dribble that won't just rely on drawing fouls.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

Is there any chance at all this team wins 20 this year? Well, mathematically, yes. But in practical terms, no.

There will be a 100% turnover in personnel before this team makes the playoffs again. DeMarcus and TyReke will be long gone. Westphal, Garcia, Dalembert: All gone.

I think most Kings fans aren't close to realizing just how large the debacle is yet. The worst part is that the NBA front-loaded the schedule for the Kings with soft games. And yeah, I know they've played the Lakers and Heat. Doesn't matter. You just know there's a 22 game stretch in the future where they'll lose 20. Oh wait, they've already done that. Oh, wait, we also know that in that 22 game stretch, anything less than 8 wins was a disaster.

We haven't seen "bad" yet, people.

Last night was unbelievable. If there's one thing Rad does well, it's wide-open 3's. He's not a terrific player otherwise. So, I know, let's not call a timeout to talk about this. Brilliant!

Or, you know, not.

 

[Kingster]

Sure, I'm willing to wait. At least this year. The team obviously needs some quality veterans for leadership. If we get that next year, we're ok.

This thing can happen one of two ways. Either the team disintegrates into squabbles and stop playing hard, or they are going to get better, and much tougher mentally. You don't get better without getting severely challenged. We're going to see what they're made of.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

Sure, I'm willing to wait. At least this year. The team obviously needs some quality veterans for leadership. If we get that next year, we're ok.

This thing can happen one of two ways. Either the team disintegrates into squabbles and stop playing hard, or they are going to get better, and much tougher mentally. You don't get better without getting severely challenged. We're going to see what they're made of.

See, I've seen people here and elsewhere say, They're not that bad, add one or two veterans, and they're in the playoffs.

I don't buy it.

That last play where Vlad got a wide-open catch-and-shoot, because the Kings are defending against the only play that cannot hurt them, was unbelievable. If you were coaching a baseball game and the opponent's best power-hitter came up, with you up by 2 and the bases loaded with 1 out, would you put the outfielders near the track, or bring them all in to guard against the single?

Westphal guarded against the single, and the power hitter gapped. Oops.

You have to take Westphal to the mat for that one. If you're Geoff Petrie and haven't had that meeting yet, you both deserve to be fired.

The long-term track-record of low-payroll teams is really not good, especially in basketball. The Kings have zero stars. The Warriors are still bad, and have won twice as many games as the Kings, in spite of having a harder schedule.

Add a very good pick and a very good veteran, and this team still wouldn't win 30.

They're calling it "Oracle Arena East" in the Bay Area media, you know. That has to sting.

 

[Lafayette]

Is there any chance at all this team wins 20 this year? Well, mathematically, yes. But in practical terms, no.

There will be a 100% turnover in personnel before this team makes the playoffs again. DeMarcus and TyReke will be long gone. Westphal, Garcia, Dalembert: All gone.

I think most Kings fans aren't close to realizing just how large the debacle is yet. The worst part is that the NBA front-loaded the schedule for the Kings with soft games. And yeah, I know they've played the Lakers and Heat. Doesn't matter. You just know there's a 22 game stretch in the future where they'll lose 20. Oh wait, they've already done that. Oh, wait, we also know that in that 22 game stretch, anything less than 8 wins was a disaster.

We haven't seen "bad" yet, people.

Last night was unbelievable. If there's one thing Rad does well, it's wide-open 3's. He's not a terrific player otherwise. So, I know, let's not call a timeout to talk about this. Brilliant!

Or, you know, not.

I'm with you on this. This team will be somewhere when GP does what he did in the KINGS glory days, BUY SOME QUALITY VETS to run the team while the young guys learn and play they're roles. Think about it, DIVAC, CHRISTIE, BIBBY and WEBBER, not homegrown talent and only PEJA was plugged in that lineup. You need to go out and get pieces. Trade for players that can win now and not 3 years from now when TYREKE leaves the team along with Cousins and the KINGS are looking around going, "Hmm, we shouldve spent some money." They want a new stadium, well put a good product out there for the people.

 

[pshn80]

Yes, I'm willing to wait for this team. In fact I'm looking forward to it. Last night as a team they played well until the very end. The good thing is I think now the team should able to see that it is but a small jump to the next level. Almost the whole team on the floor at the end contributed to the loss by making mistakes, mistakes they had not been making during the rest of the game (except Evans who did make the same stupid mistakes earlier in the game). Keep on truckin'.

 

[rhythmless]

Is there any chance at all this team wins 20 this year? Well, mathematically, yes. But in practical terms, no.

There will be a 100% turnover in personnel before this team makes the playoffs again. DeMarcus and TyReke will be long gone. Westphal, Garcia, Dalembert: All gone.

I think most Kings fans aren't close to realizing just how large the debacle is yet. The worst part is that the NBA front-loaded the schedule for the Kings with soft games. And yeah, I know they've played the Lakers and Heat. Doesn't matter. You just know there's a 22 game stretch in the future where they'll lose 20. Oh wait, they've already done that. Oh, wait, we also know that in that 22 game stretch, anything less than 8 wins was a disaster.

We haven't seen "bad" yet, people.

Last night was unbelievable. If there's one thing Rad does well, it's wide-open 3's. He's not a terrific player otherwise. So, I know, let's not call a timeout to talk about this. Brilliant!
Or, you know, not.

That last play where Vlad got a wide-open catch-and-shoot, because the Kings are defending against the only play that cannot hurt them, was unbelievable. If you were coaching a baseball game and the opponent's best power-hitter came up, with you up by 2 and the bases loaded with 1 out, would you put the outfielders near the track, or bring them all in to guard against the single?

Westphal guarded against the single, and the power hitter gapped. Oops.

You have to take Westphal to the mat for that one. If you're Geoff Petrie and haven't had that meeting yet, you both deserve to be fired.

So... PW both did not call the timeout yet had everyone guarding against the 2 pointer? That play was on the players, not the coach. Everyone and their mom can figure out that only a 3 hurts them. Guarding the players, not the 3, was on the Kings team, not PW.

 

[Kingstime]

I really think we might have been able to do what Dallas did.. Remember Dallas was a bottom tier playoff team for a couple years (and might have even missed them one year? Not sure on that last part). They picked up some older players and good role players and look where they are now. Not saying we would be as good as Dallas, but Artest could have been the player to keep and then we could bring in guys to surround Artest. I know he's no Dirk but he is a decent enough player. Maybe not trade Bibby as well. Who knows..

I liked the feel of that Artest and Wells team a real scrappy duo of crazy bulldozers that had a real want to win, I always think about what if we coulda got a more of a go to guy here to play with those 2.

Anyways losses like last nights are why I wanna see this team either succeed or flame out. When you really see how painfully young this team is and see no veteran out there with them at the end it just shows in why things happen like last night. With teams this young, it's never a hustle factor or talent thing it's almost always mental you really have to LEARN to win in this league. Add in the whole learning to be a professional and such we are seeing why many coaches don't even wanna play rooks even a little bit during their first campaigns. I really believe it when I type this but if the maloofs or GP can find a coach out there willingly to coach up and teach young NBA talent and a vet or two who are able to play out there with these kids this team is really not as bad as there record shows.

 

[Kingster]

See, I've seen people here and elsewhere say, They're not that bad, add one or two veterans, and they're in the playoffs.

I don't buy it.

That last play where Vlad got a wide-open catch-and-shoot, because the Kings are defending against the only play that cannot hurt them, was unbelievable. If you were coaching a baseball game and the opponent's best power-hitter came up, with you up by 2 and the bases loaded with 1 out, would you put the outfielders near the track, or bring them all in to guard against the single?

Westphal guarded against the single, and the power hitter gapped. Oops.

You have to take Westphal to the mat for that one. If you're Geoff Petrie and haven't had that meeting yet, you both deserve to be fired.

The long-term track-record of low-payroll teams is really not good, especially in basketball. The Kings have zero stars. The Warriors are still bad, and have won twice as many games as the Kings, in spite of having a harder schedule.

Add a very good pick and a very good veteran, and this team still wouldn't win 30.

They're calling it "Oracle Arena East" in the Bay Area media, you know. That has to sting.

Well, I'm not saying playoffs, but I can see a huge jump next year with the right veterans and the added maturity (and health) of Tyreke and Cousins. (See my signature). There is a fine line between winning and losing. We saw it last night. And the night before that. When the young guys start doing the little things right, then wins will come.

As far as this one game, it means nothing for next year. Yes, Westphal made a mistake. He admitted as such. And in a game like that every single mistake - and there were a ton on the court - hurts you. If the Kings just had one less mistake out of all of their mistakes, they win that game.

I think you have a point about low payroll, but that's this year, not next year when the Maloofs open the piggy bank.

 

[rainmaker]

Well, I'm not saying playoffs, but I can see a huge jump next year with the right veterans and the added maturity (and health) of Tyreke and Cousins. (See my signature). There is a fine line between winning and losing. We saw it last night. And the night before that. When the young guys start doing the little things right, then wins will come.

As far as this one game, it means nothing for next year. Yes, Westphal made a mistake. He admitted as such. And in a game like that every single mistake - and there were a ton on the court - hurts you. If the Kings just had one less mistake out of all of their mistakes, they win that game.

I think you have a point about low payroll, but that's this year, not next year when the Maloofs open the piggy bank.

I agree. This team is playing better, on both ends. While they still haven't learned to close out a game, they weren't even in games a month ago. There is definite improvement, and with our cap room and another high pick, this team will see an upswing next year.

We're still in a good situation, and those of us willing to look past the here and now realize that. It's tough when all our young guys are thrown into the fire from day 1, and expected to close out wins without an ounce of veteran leadership. Unfortunately our younger guys don't have the luxery to sit, watch, and learn from vets who have been there before. They're learning on the fly, and when that happens, it's bound to get ugly. But they are learning, and when we add a few veterans to the mix which fit well I see it making a huge difference next year.

 

[kingofthejungle]

I'm definetly willing to wait for the young guys to develop, but at the same time there should be some signs of modest improvement. Certainly I can wait a bit more on Evans and Cousins--they're potential franchise players. But they need to be held accountable for their play, regardless. Regarding other young players, I think Petrie will have to choose between Casspi and Greene as the primary SF backup as I'm not convinced either will ever be starting material. JT has had time and opportunities and I think he's a serviceable 1st big off the bench, if he can adjust to that role. Whiteside obviously gets more time.

Evans/?
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?/Casspi
?/Thompson
Cousins/Whiteside