[Rumor] Amick: Scott Perry is “Thinking big”

Makaveli said:
So get back a 34 year old lillard that is out until basically next years trade deadline and even when he comes back he is a 34 year old coming off Achilles surgery.
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Your understanding of Lillard’s situation is correct. However, I’m not reading an actual contest of the idea itself in this post.
 
The_Jamal said:
There's certainly a better LaVine trade out there. Even just letting LaVine expire as a huge contract in a few years and we get a couple good years of production out of him.
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You think so? What would that trade look like in your opinion?

Lillard has the same amount of years on his contract so the “just letting LaVine expire as a huge contract” point can still be made with Lillard. The only difference is you’ve added another unprotected 1sts and 4 pick swaps to your “watchest” which would leave us with the following assets…

2026 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ less favorable 1st between MIL/ORL)
2027 SAC 1st
2027 SAS 1st
2028 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ less favorable 1st between MIL/POR)
2029 SAC 1st
2030 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ less favorable 1st between MIL/POR)
2031 SAC 1st (SAS can swap with us)
2031 MIN 1st
2031 MIL 1st
2032 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ 1st from MIL)

That’s 10 1sts over the next 7 drafts. 4 of those 1sts we have the right to swap with another team (giving us a chance to improve the pick) and 1 of those 1sts another team has the right to swap with us.

That’s a decent amount of assets already and that’s even before exploring trades involving DeRozan, Monk, etc.

And if Lillard comes back and shows he’s still a similar player, you could probably find a team that would surrender another asset for him next offseason as a push to get them over the top. If he’s damaged goods, he expires at the same time as LaVine.

I think it’s worth mentioning that I don’t think a trade like this will occur considering Vivek’s “win now” mandate, but if somehow he is convinced to rebuild, this seems like a decent move that sends out a negative value contract (LaVine) for a more negative value contract (Lillard) while getting compensated with picks/swaps and avoiding taking on any longer term money (since both LaVine and Lillard expire the same offseason).
 
twslam07 said:
You think so? What would that trade look like in your opinion?

Lillard has the same amount of years on his contract so the “just letting LaVine expire as a huge contract” point can still be made with Lillard. The only difference is you’ve added another unprotected 1sts and 4 pick swaps to your “watchest” which would leave us with the following assets…

2026 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ less favorable 1st between MIL/ORL)
2027 SAC 1st
2027 SAS 1st
2028 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ less favorable 1st between MIL/POR)
2029 SAC 1st
2030 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ less favorable 1st between MIL/POR)
2031 SAC 1st (SAS can swap with us)
2031 MIN 1st
2031 MIL 1st
2032 SAC 1st (Can swap w/ 1st from MIL)

That’s 10 1sts over the next 7 drafts. 4 of those 1sts we have the right to swap with another team (giving us a chance to improve the pick) and 1 of those 1sts another team has the right to swap with us.

That’s a decent amount of assets already and that’s even before exploring trades involving DeRozan, Monk, etc.

And if Lillard comes back and shows he’s still a similar player, you could probably find a team that would surrender another asset for him next offseason as a push to get them over the top. If he’s damaged goods, he expires at the same time as LaVine.

I think it’s worth mentioning that I don’t think a trade like this will occur considering Vivek’s “win now” mandate, but if somehow he is convinced to rebuild, this seems like a decent move that sends out a negative value contract (LaVine) for a more negative value contract (Lillard) while getting compensated with picks/swaps and avoiding taking on any longer term money (since both LaVine and Lillard expire the same offseason).
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I don't have a trade in mind, but Capt laid it out perfectly, if we viewed this deal in the inverse. I get you don't value LaVine at all, but he's a very good player that should not just be dumped if we're trying to compete.

Now if we're rebuilding, sure, you can justify the expiring+1 FRP and maybe you get some swap equity. That's a more defensible position. Not a team that *very* likely wants to win games next year.

edit* nvm, Dame isn't even an expiring. I'll pass. I'll take a year of LaVine playing well again and then he becomes that much more valuable next offseason as a big expiring.
 
The_Jamal said:
I don't have a trade in mind, but Capt laid it out perfectly, if we viewed this deal in the inverse. I get you don't value LaVine at all, but he's a very good player that should not just be dumped if we're trying to compete.

Now if we're rebuilding, sure, you can justify the expiring+1 FRP and maybe you get some swap equity. That's a more defensible position. Not a team that *very* likely wants to win games next year.
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100% agree that it only makes sense in a rebuilding direction, and like I continually state, I doubt Vivek allows that to happen (which makes the idea moot to begin with with).

Also, I think saying that I “don’t value LaVine at all” is a little disingenuous. He’s a fine player, but he’s overpaid. I think he’s your 3rd best player on a top tier team, but he’s making max money (hence why I think he holds negative trade value). It doesn’t mean I don’t think he is a good player and can’t help a team. It just comes down to his impact vs the cap.
 
If Perry’s priority is a PG and he’s thinking “big,” what about Derrick White?

He’d be costly to acquire in a trade, but he’d be a terrific fit at PG next to LaVine and fits the defense & length vision from the FO.

BOS would likely prefer to move Holiday to help with their payroll issues (vs. White), but if they get a solid offer for White, I’m sure they’d consider it.
 
twslam07 said:
If Perry’s priority is a PG and he’s thinking “big,” what about Derrick White?

He’d be costly to acquire in a trade, but he’d be a terrific fit at PG next to LaVine and fits the defense & length vision from the FO.

BOS would likely prefer to move Holiday to help with their payroll issues (vs. White), but if they get a solid offer for White, I’m sure they’d consider it.
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It would depend on how costly of an acquisition he would be.
 
twslam07 said:
If Perry’s priority is a PG and he’s thinking “big,” what about Derrick White?

He’d be costly to acquire in a trade, but he’d be a terrific fit at PG next to LaVine and fits the defense & length vision from the FO.

BOS would likely prefer to move Holiday to help with their payroll issues (vs. White), but if they get a solid offer for White, I’m sure they’d consider it.
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He’s gonna go for a kings random which isn’t worth it for us he would take us out of the play in
 
SacTownKid said:
The contract really isn't that bad. It really isn't. Especially when you relate it to that productivity. A 2 year contract max and it's very possible he opts out for a longer deal rather than just going into FA. If he stays healthy it's very probable.
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Agreed. I don’t really view his contract as that terrible. He’s overpaid but not really by much for a legit 25-30 a night scoring threat. His contract got the reputation as being awful almost entirely because of his injuries and the fact the Bulls weren’t going anywhere. Only rookie contracts look good when you’re treadmilling.


I certainly don’t view it as untradeable with only 2 years left. Possibly less… and the Kings shouldn’t be desperate to unload him unless they do choose rebuild. I think LaVine and Domas will be a good tandem. Probably the best Domas has had here. Assuming neither are traded
 
Kingz19 said:
Agreed. I don’t really view his contract as that terrible. He’s overpaid but not really by much for a legit 25-30 a night scoring threat. His contract got the reputation as being awful almost entirely because of his injuries and the fact the Bulls weren’t going anywhere. Only rookie contracts look good when you’re treadmilling.


I certainly don’t view it as untradeable with only 2 years left. Possibly less… and the Kings shouldn’t be desperate to unload him unless they do choose rebuild. I think LaVine and Domas will be a good tandem. Probably the best Domas has had here. Assuming neither are traded
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I'd be fine if we went into this year trying to build around those two and Keegan, Keon and Carter. But we need to start stockpiling draft picks with the guys we move.
 
Kingz19 said:
Agreed. I don’t really view his contract as that terrible. He’s overpaid but not really by much for a legit 25-30 a night scoring threat. His contract got the reputation as being awful almost entirely because of his injuries and the fact the Bulls weren’t going anywhere. Only rookie contracts look good when you’re treadmilling.


I certainly don’t view it as untradeable with only 2 years left. Possibly less… and the Kings shouldn’t be desperate to unload him unless they do choose rebuild. I think LaVine and Domas will be a good tandem. Probably the best Domas has had here. Assuming neither are traded
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I was long-term opposed to LaVine, because of the combo of his big contract AND the fact he had been incredibly injury prone. He's shaken that injury bug off though with this last season though; so while still a big contract, it's not anywhere close to an absolute disaster for what he still provides on the court.

Domas/LaVine with big minutes for Carter/Keon/Keegan, maybe find a way to keep LaRavia and go see what we can add for DDR and Monk. That's not a title contender, but I think it can still be a good team. Can also give you some information on a few things; if we need to truly move on from Domas/LaVine, or do they prove everyone wrong and they can be a title contending duo.
 
The_Jamal said:
I was long-term opposed to LaVine, because of the combo of his big contract AND the fact he had been incredibly injury prone. He's shaken that injury bug off though with this last season though; so while still a big contract, it's not anywhere close to an absolute disaster for what he still provides on the court.

Domas/LaVine with big minutes for Carter/Keon/Keegan, maybe find a way to keep LaRavia and go see what we can add for DDR and Monk. That's not a title contender, but I think it can still be a good team. Can also give you some information on a few things; if we need to truly move on from Domas/LaVine, or do they prove everyone wrong and they can be a title contending duo.
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If we get picks for DDR and Monk it sets us more towards the future if we pivot off of Domas and LaVine. We're never going to replicate what OKC has done but it is noteworthy they didn't just firesale but they sold off one piece at a time and never were in panic/desperation mode about it. Of course they had better pieces, but we should still strive to maybe get a pick and a swap plus whatever filler. Of course if we are dealing with 5-10 seeded Eastern teams odds are those picks are 16-22.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
If we get picks for DDR and Monk it sets us more towards the future if we pivot off of Domas and LaVine. We're never going to replicate what OKC has done but it is noteworthy they didn't just firesale but they sold off one piece at a time and never were in panic/desperation mode about it. Of course they had better pieces, but we should still strive to maybe get a pick and a swap plus whatever filler. Of course if we are dealing with 5-10 seeded Eastern teams odds are those picks are 16-22.
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With the draft class coming up I’d rather be in desperate mode the top 3-4 guys have franchise changing abilities rather chase that then the 10th seed
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Unless you’re getting a top five pick this is malpractice
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So we don't need a PG then? If this is the evaluation on Carter.

If Perry *could* get a Lotto pick for Carter, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull the trigger. He's not his draft pick. I'm extremely high on Carter of course and think all this "we need a PG" talk is extremely overblown, but again, this is what we have to be prepared for with a whole new regime. They have no ties to the old players
 
The_Jamal said:
So we don't need a PG then? If this is the evaluation on Carter.

If Perry *could* get a Lotto pick for Carter, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull the trigger. He's not his draft pick. I'm extremely high on Carter of course and think all this "we need a PG" talk is extremely overblown, but again, this is what we have to be prepared for with a whole new regime. They have no ties to the old players
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He wasn't his pick and I have to admit there's a certain sunk-cost fallacy in my evaluation with him since basically the decision to keep the pick and draft him lead directly to the departures of Fox, Brown and Monte. But holy hell we move Carter and he blows up after all that we had better get a top 5 pick and stick the landing or multiple picks in future drafts.

Also we should be able to move Monk and DDR without needing to include sweetener.
 
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