Ailene Voisin: Unlike Webber, McDyess sacrifices

Actually I was thinking the same things she was the last Pistons game. The games and physical abilities of McDyess are quite similar. The only real difference is Webber is making 20 million $$$ next year. You can't pay a man that much to come off the bench. Or can you?
 
loopymitch said:
In 2 days she's made digs at Chris and Rick for no reason. I really wonder what they did to pee her off so badly. To bring Chris up in an article that he has nothing to do with is totally disgusting to me. He's not even a Kings anymore and she's still hounding him with her negativity.

It's obviously the "parking lot" issue. You know what they say about "a woman scorned".
 
loopymitch said:


ha ha that covers Chris and as a woman I could understand that but what about Rick?

Well, she did write a whole article about it. She wanted Phil to choose her to go to the dance with, but instead she's stuck with sorry ol' Rick .
 
Come on. How can you ignore the comparison?
Anyway, how could it have been his team when he was playing on one leg (upon his return in 2004?) He should have stopped thinking about himself. Or, as Gregg Popovich has said to me: he thought the Kings -- pre-Webber's return in spring, 2004 -- were the team he least wanted to see in the playoffs. He and Duncan discussed this, and he thought the Kings had incredible chemistry, ball movement, etc., etc., But then, he's only Pop, a guy with two titles...

all the best,
ailene

-----Original Message-----
From: Lippay, Michael
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:25 PM
To: Ailene Voisin
Subject: http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13073770p-13918992c.ht ml


Ailene,

Honestly what is the point of all this. What has Webber done to you? He is now left the team, he's left Sacramento and yet you still torment him. This isn't a sole view point, this is a view point of all Kings fans on kingsfans.com. Your constant bashing of Webber for no reason except to hate him is getting ridiculous. You act like he didn't play hurt this year. I guess we did struggle with him in the lineup, but if you don't forget, we struggled without him to. How viable is it to put a 17 million dollar player on the bench? I've read numerous articles and you say he dominated the ball, thing is Ailene, even if he dominated the ball, we still were what second in the league in scoring. Doesn't that tell you something. Yes defensively, his play has been less than stellar, but same can be said for all of our players. We do not have a good defensive mentality especially with the loss of Christie and Bobby's injuries.

You can go back to the glorious run we had the season before last while he was out. Do you honestly feel we would have won the title without him, without Bobby as well? I guess he could have come off of the bench. But who does that. Not even McDyess did that during his return to Denver in which he started his first 10 games back. A fact you fail to realize. It's a total different situation. McDyess was used to being the man in Denver, he returned to be the man. Denver realized he could no longer be the man, so after he missed the whole 2002-2003 season, they traded him, much like the Maloofs traded Webber. He played minor roles last year, but it wasn't his team any more. And this year it's not his team.

In contrast, it was Webber's team, it's always been his team when he was here, and when he returned, why would he expect anything different. I guess he could have sacrificed for the quote on quote betterment of the team. But answer these questions, with Webber we took Dallas out in 5 games and took Minnesota to 7 games in the playoffs. Yes we struggled with him in the regular season, but there were no major struggles in the playoffs. The team played pretty well on both sides of the ball. This year, with a similar situation, injured players returning after long breaks, the team struggled mightily against the Sonics, and were utterly embarrassed 4 games to 1, a result I was not surprised about. Yes Peja played better this year in the playoffs without Webber, but does that really matter? We were destroyed, now without Webber, Bibby has struggled a lot more than he has in the past during the playoffs, and the rest of the team didn't play very well. Even though Peja played well, his +/- for the series was -11.2, which is pretty disappointing. Peja, your favorite, and now the team's arguable Franchise player, does not make the players around him better, something that Webber and others on the team tended to do. Do you honestly see our future being that bright with Peja at the helm? Honestly I'm not sure, honestly I think it's a big question mark. We need defensive players, we need a post presence.

Well I know you won't take this to heart, but you honestly need to calm down with the Webber hating, he's gone from Sacramento and you NEED to get over this fact. There is no point in bashing him at every turn all it does it make those who had any inkling of liking him dislike you more than we already do.

Michael Lippay
Kings Fan and member of KingsFans.com
 
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How can she ignore your points? You dissected it and gutted it all up. I hate when all people can rely on is to quote others opinions. Pop thought our system was pretty, so did the rest of us. Pop is also a very modest man. And really, would it have made a difference if we played Dallas/Minny or Houston/SA. I don't see how the latter would've made much of a difference. Unless Duncan wasn't going to school Miller and Bowen wasn't going to shut down perimeter players like he does every year, maybe we would've had a chance.
 
Cause she's so infatuated with HATE, she doesn't realize that what she always misses, she missed the fact that for the first time in a long time we didn't take our opponent to a close out game. Yet she fails to realize, the team struggled without Webber this year just as much as we struggled with him. Webber dominates the ball, yet our team scores very efficiently in the past. You can talk about Webber' defensive problems, I won't deny that, but to bash him for no apparent reason at any means necessary, even when he's not on the team, is rather silly.
 
qd- it's gratuitously- i checked for you. that was the only positive thing i can find to say about the whole issue. ;)
 
Packt said:
How can she ignore your points? You dissected it and gutted it all up. I hate when all people can rely on is to quote others opinions. Pop thought our system was pretty, so did the rest of us. Pop is also a very modest man. And really, would it have made a difference if we played Dallas/Minny or Houston/SA. I don't see how the latter would've made much of a difference. Unless Duncan wasn't going to school Miller and Bowen wasn't going to shut down perimeter players like he does every year, maybe we would've had a chance.

Exactly, they were gonna kill us like they killed phonix.LOL
 
Just_Lurkin said:
Exactly, they were gonna kill us like they killed phonix.LOL

Ugh this wasn't this year. This was the year before last. She is referring to the pre-Webber Kings and then the post-Webber Kings. They lost to the Lakers, a team I feel we might have been able to beat after the Spurs lost to them after winning countless games in a row before the playoffs and the first round.
 
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The truly sad part is she doesn't even realize how pathetic her agenda makes her appear. She is actually a pretty decent writer, when she isn't trying to grind her pet axes.
 
bigbadred00 said:
Ugh this wasn't this year. This was the year before last. She is referring to the pre-Webber Kings and then the post-Webber Kings. They lost to the Lakers, a team I feel we might have been able to beat after the Spurs lost to them after winning countless games in a row before the playoffs and the first round.

post or pre. i don't remember much stellar D, which in essence would get us killed like the suns(who were also a great regular season team) were this year in a series with the spurs.LOL
 
AV said:
Come on. How can you ignore the comparison?
Anyway, how could it have been his team when he was playing on one leg (upon his return in 2004?) He should have stopped thinking about himself. Or, as Gregg Popovich has said to me: he thought the Kings -- pre-Webber's return in spring, 2004 -- were the team he least wanted to see in the playoffs. He and Duncan discussed this, and he thought the Kings had incredible chemistry, ball movement, etc., etc., But then, he's only Pop, a guy with two titles...

all the best,
ailene

That is, in a nutshell, the most pathetic response to an articulately phrased, intelligent complaint about her writing I have ever seen...and totally predictable. You sent a beautiful analysis, bigbadred00. But AV won't ever admit it...or even admit to herself the vitriolic nature of her diatribes against Webber. She actually thinks it's good journalism.

There was NO reason whatsoever for her to bring Webber into the piece. If she was going to do so, she could have and SHOULD HAVE paralleled their entire careers. The fact she chose to drag Webber in for one more pointed jab is evidence in and of itself that she cannot resist the cheap shot.

P.S. One more thing? At least she responds to YOUR emails. I don't get the same courtesy.

;)
 
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She's an idiot

Like somebody else said, I am sure Pop was real scared of a run-and-gun, shooting, no-defense team in the playoffs. I mean, Phoenix and Seattle had so much success against them this year. Pop never bad-mouths other teams, only his own. For the real deal, she should talk to Phil Jackson. Clearly, Voison knows nothing about basketball, and I mean that. How did she even become a sports writer? The only time she writes half-way decent articles is when she does stories only slighlty affiliated with real sports, such as the Detroit arena. That is an economics issue, not sports, and actually an informative article. Even more amazing, it deals with Webber's hometown and includes no negative references to Webber.
 
loopymitch said:
^^^ Did you read it?

Read what, the Detroit article? Yes, and while being tangentially related to sports, it has nothing to do with actual gameplay or team dynamics or whatever. The woman is clueless about the actual game. She did a good job, and has done a good job, in running down the arena issue. But her game analysis is abysmal.
 
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