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I'll put it back on you. Name the player we can trade for the draft pick. Unlike the draft it takes 2 to tango with a trade.
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I'll put it back on you. Name the player we can trade for the draft pick. Unlike the draft it takes 2 to tango with a trade.
ElRey
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Do you have doubts????Anyway, we could get a franchise changer if everything falls the right way. I don't mean a Kobe or Lebron but another spectacular player to go with the two or three we seem to have perculating right now.
Considering the lottery gods have shunned us recently, it is easy to have doubts. But still ...... The odds are still there as usual and unfortunately just because we have done poorly recently (some would say we got screwed) doesn't mean anything evens out. The odds are what they are. I think Tyreke and Cuz are as close to a lock on being great and Thornton worries me a little. Add another makes us younger yet again but in 5 years, if they all stay together, wow!
I don't need an NBA championship to be happy and we are heading in the right direction despite this summer's moves. This summer didn't cost us anything in a bad way but simply guaranteed a bad year.
BTW, what's a franchise player in your definition? I haven't seen a big guy of Cousins' multiple skill levels come out in a long time. Not arguing, just curious.
The Kings are NEVER lucky in the NBA Lottery, and that is why THIS is the draft to keep your pick this year. It's a deep draft and you can still get an excellent player in this year's draft despite picking out of the top 3. Remember out of all our franchise years of extensive losing, we have somehow only landed like, what, two top 3 picks? ( I can only think of #1 Pervis Ellison, and #3 Billy Owens)
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i have no idea who that player is. i leave it to management to work those phones. i think gerald wallace is probably an acquirable player if you're giving up a lottery pick in return, which is one of the reasons i was using him as an example. but cooking up trade scenarios is not my cup of tea. the point isn't ends as much as it is means. you can improve a team in three ways: draft, free agency, trade market. in my estimation, there is not a single prospect in this admittedly deep draft who is going to aid the kings in their goal of reaching the playoffs in the next couple of seasons. they need immediate help around their young talent, and none of the upcoming prospects will be ready enough to contribute significantly on a team with tyreke evans, demarcus cousins, and marcus thornton. this last offseason was also, if nothing else, indication that few free agents worth a damn have a desire to come to sacramento. that leaves the trading block. who can the kings acquire via trade? i have no idea. but if i were geoff petrie, and IF the kings are actually able to trade their first rounder this offseason, i would be furiously dialing the numbers of every gm in the league to see what its worth to them. if its worth a quality veteran talent who would complement the kings young stars and help them inch closer to the playoffs, then its worth a lot more to me as an armchair gm than the uncertainty of another draft pick...
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It would take a lot more than our pick to get Wallace. Portland loves him.
And the way Petrie has been trading the past 5 years I want him no where near a deal.
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i feel like i've already adequately described that i would prefer to see our pick packaged with various spare parts in order to acquire a quality veteran talent. you could easily package a lottery pick in this draft with any of, or a combination of, jason thompson, jj hickson, jimmer fredette, etc., and come out with an excellent, complementary veteran on the other side. why do i feel like i'm going around in circles here? i'd even give up marcus thornton if it netted the right piece...
and its obvious portland loves gerald wallace, but they bet it all on brandon roy, lamarcus aldridge, and greg oden, and aldridge is the only one left standing after all of that promise and potential. they need to rebuild their team around him. wallace is a great piece with which to do that, so perhaps they just hold onto him. but he's also excellent trade bait if they want to expedite their rebuild around younger talent, which is why i targeted him. maybe he's acquirable. or maybe the kings just go out and sign nicolas batum this offseason instead, which would be somewhat satisfactory to me. he's a good defender, and certainly veteran enough to fill our glaring need at SF. but why would he come to sacramento? who knows? maybe they get lucky. maybe somebody of value, who represents a complementary talent, actually will come to the losing team in our little bankrupt cow town, but given that league-wide perception, i wouldn't hold out for it. we held out for it this offseason, and that was nothing but a disaster...
also, i don't care how petrie's traded the last five years. look at what happened to the boston celtics before the era of the big three. the were perennial lottery attenders, and acquired young talent year after year after year, but went NOWHERE. i mean, absolutely NOWHERE. i can't believe paul pierce hung in as long as he did over there. i would wish that fate on no team. it felt like the basketball gods had cursed the celtics after so many incredible years of unending success. but finally, danny ainge had enough. he lifted the curse single-handedly, by recognizing the talent of rajon rondo, keeping him alongside pierce, and then proceeding to trade away the team's remaining assets for a chance at greatness. the celtics went on to win a championship. it doesn't matter one iota that they have to blow it all up now and start over again. they won a championship. and that's always worth it. you have to take risks from time to time to get to that end goal...
now, i'm not suggesting that the kings trade the bulk of their assets for veteran players a la boston in 2007. but, at a certain point, you have to accept that youth alone does not get it done in this league, especially in a western conference that's as logjammed as ever in the middle of the pack. even oklahoma city understood that a veteran defensive presence down low in kendrick perkins would be the kind of asset they needed to get to the top of the western conference. sometimes its just that one move that gets you where you want to go. the kings likely need a few of those moves...
you won't find that veteran player in the draft. jimmer was a four-year star at byu, and all that experience still hasn't eased his transition into the nba. and the kings likely won't be able to acquire any difference-makers in free agency. chuck hayes-level talent is about as good as its gonna get, i imagine, unless the maloofs start throwin' money around. but don't count on that. so, once again, that leaves trades. now, if other kings fans wanna keep looking to the draft year after year after year to solve the kings problems, then be my guests. however, i'd prefer to see my team move out of the basement, and, in my opinion, its gonna take veteran talent to do it. i wanna hear that petrie's on the horn with every gm in the league heading both into the trade deadline and into the offseason, looking for ways to improve the sacramento kings...
I think Kings should stop for a moment...i mean, offseason and have some continuity. I know it was same simple task last offseason and Kings still failed. So I think they should try one more time. Not sit on their hands, try to deal Salmons and Outlaw, make a play for Batum or maybe Sam Young or Fields(they're UFAs) and some veterans like Kirk Hinrich, keep Thompson with a good deal but before that draft smart. This is interesting draft in the sense that it might be similar to 1998 from which guys drafted 5th, 9th and 10th became the best players.
and have some continuity. I know it was same simple task last offseason and Kings still failed. So I think they should try one more time. Not sit on their hands, try to deal Salmons and Outlaw, make a play for Batum or maybe Sam Young or Fields(they're UFAs) and some veterans like Kirk Hinrich, keep Thompson with a good deal but before that draft smart. This is interesting draft in the sense that it might be similar to 1998 from which guys drafted 5th, 9th and 10th became the best players.
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Ok, I did some digging on trading our protected pick this year. https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q74
So it appears yes we can trade it. However, if by chance the pick is not in the top 14 then it would have to be the 2014 pick because first round picks cannot be traded in consecutive years. This would lower the value of the pick because the team receiving the pick may have wait 2 years to receive it.
Now, it can be traded or a trade agreed upon on draft day where we make the pick and trade it when the new season begins. If this is done then none of the restricted free agents can be part of the trade.
Oh, and we already traded some spare parts and our pick for JJ Hickson. It's not as easy as you make to do trades especially if you getting something like you describe in return. Otherwise we would see a lot more of them.
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of course its difficult to pull of successful trades in the nba. nothing in this life worth pursuing is all that easy. i never claimed that it should be easy, but you can't tell me that a lottery pick in a draft billed as very deep doesn't have significant trade value around the league. so i'll say it one last time: regardless of perception, and regardless of how tough executing worthwhile trades can get in the nba, geoff petrie needs to be blowin' up the cell phones of every gm in the league come trade deadline, and come offseason time. if nothing materializes, then you take your pick, and consider further moves down the road. but the diligence absolutely has to be done. its as clear as day that the kings need some veteran talent to pair with their young talent...
sidney
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Thanks for posting this. Once the pick becomes your "current" 1st rounder you can do whatever you want with it. You could trade your first round pick away every year right before the draft. You just can't trade consecutive years of future picks away and screw up your team forever.
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Technically your are drafting the player then trading so it isn't a future pick anymore.
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sidney
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As long as we are out of the playoffs, the pick is ours and we can trade the pick before or after the draft....if I'm reading that right. The Stephien rule applies only to future years, not the current one.
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The only time you can trade before the draft is after your season ends. At this point you can not trade a player who is not under contract for the next year. I don't think we can trade Outlaw either until after the leagues new years starts on July 1.
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