Still mad we didn't draft Rubio? (split from arena thread)
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how does the market arrive at any valuation of Rubio, when he's still under contract for at least the next three years? just because David Kahn was apparently hell-bent on giving Rubio the max, doesn't mean anybody else is. as to your second point: agreed that'll be very interesting to see. there have been voices outside of Sacramento deeming him the most valuable of the wing talent crop in this year's free agency. we'll see what that's worth, in the meantime, I'm still not mad about the pick, only about pretty much everything that happened afterwards.
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well, based on results-thus-far, that would be an extremely foolish play, given that rubio hasn't been able to stay on the court. and when he is on the court, he's a starting PG that averages a shade under 11 ppg on an absolutely paltry 36% shooting. the 8 apg is nice, but rubio's not looking like all-star caliber talent as of this moment. he's looking like jose calderon without the jump shot...
of course, the career trajectories of both rubio and 'reke will tell us who is more valuable, but you initially claimed that rubio is the more valuable player right now, and the statistics simply do not bear that out. statistically, tyreke has the edge, and his improvements in key deficient areas, including his outside shooting (a damning category for rubio), are clear benchmarks for his versatility, and an indication that his ceiling is as high as advertised during his rookie season. not to mention that these improvements occurred on an imbalanced team under a foolish head coach who consistently misused him. that said, i maintain that the kings may be lucky to lock him up under value, because of franchise circumstances that helped to stunt his growth. but i fully expect him to grow further into the player we all hope he might become, and outplay that "market value"...
the same may be said for ricky rubio, but it should be noted that his jumpshot makes tyreke's jumpshot look like reggie miller's jumpshot. and in a league forever-stretching out to the 3-pt line, rubio's inability to hit a shot from just about anywhere on the court is a serious handicap. but tyreke can get to the rim at will, and that kind of player always has a shot at stardom in a league that loves to reward such aggression with consistent trips to the charity stripe. but the difference between rubio and, say, chris paul or kyrie irving or deron williams or damian lillard or ty lawson or steph curry is that all those other players can score...
of course, the career trajectories of both rubio and 'reke will tell us who is more valuable, but you initially claimed that rubio is the more valuable player right now, and the statistics simply do not bear that out. statistically, tyreke has the edge, and his improvements in key deficient areas, including his outside shooting (a damning category for rubio), are clear benchmarks for his versatility, and an indication that his ceiling is as high as advertised during his rookie season. not to mention that these improvements occurred on an imbalanced team under a foolish head coach who consistently misused him. that said, i maintain that the kings may be lucky to lock him up under value, because of franchise circumstances that helped to stunt his growth. but i fully expect him to grow further into the player we all hope he might become, and outplay that "market value"...
the same may be said for ricky rubio, but it should be noted that his jumpshot makes tyreke's jumpshot look like reggie miller's jumpshot. and in a league forever-stretching out to the 3-pt line, rubio's inability to hit a shot from just about anywhere on the court is a serious handicap. but tyreke can get to the rim at will, and that kind of player always has a shot at stardom in a league that loves to reward such aggression with consistent trips to the charity stripe. but the difference between rubio and, say, chris paul or kyrie irving or deron williams or damian lillard or ty lawson or steph curry is that all those other players can score...
here's the thing: rubio's playing under rick adelman, notorious player's coach and great maximizer of talent, and he's really not playing that well. again, 10.7 ppg on 36% shooting isn't exactly "successful," at least not for a player many predict to become an all-star. statistically, rubio reads like jose calderon without the stellar shooting percentages. of course, rubio's been consistently injured in his brief nba career thus far, so that has played a significant part in his inability get a rhythm in the nba. but, if fans want to talk about the now in comparison to tyreke evans, then it's simply no contest. 'reke is more versatile and statistically superior, not to mention a stronger man defender (though rubio does show some capability on the less flashy side of the ball)...
I haven't heard anything to indicate that Rubio has a high value around the league. Most are still looking at him as an intriguing talent and are interested to see how he develops. He has done very little in his 2 seasons to say he is worth spending a lot of money on for the future. Fortuneately for him, he has several more years before anyone has to make that decision.
Who is mad? We simply disagree with you. You've been presented with some stats that say Tyreke is at present the better player. You offer nothing more than your opinion. You back it up with nothing but more opinion. I would'nt trade Tyreke for two Rubios. Rubio hasn't shown me anything other than he can get injuried a majority of the time.
It's statements like this that I really hate because it goes to the very heart of 'team fan' vs. 'player fan'.
You see I believe the Tyreke has shown to be the more valuable player when compared to Rubio.
You basically make a statement that whichever player gets offered the bigger contract is indicative of which player is 'better'.
Well let me tell you that I truly hope that Rubio signs for a far greater amount than what the Kings sign Tyreke for.
And why is that?
Because it means that the Kings organization was able to lock up a fantastic talent with-out having to pay the max.
So in this whole 'let's see who gets paid more' contest you got going on....I have no problems 'losing' and locking Tyreke up for a reasonable contract because that means that the 'team' wins....and I'm far more interested in seeing the team win than any player winning.
It seems as if some posters (not directed at you) would rather have 'their' player win at the expense of the 'team' and attitudes like that really frustrate me when I come to the 'team' website to discuss what is going on.
You see I believe the Tyreke has shown to be the more valuable player when compared to Rubio.
You basically make a statement that whichever player gets offered the bigger contract is indicative of which player is 'better'.
Well let me tell you that I truly hope that Rubio signs for a far greater amount than what the Kings sign Tyreke for.
And why is that?
Because it means that the Kings organization was able to lock up a fantastic talent with-out having to pay the max.
So in this whole 'let's see who gets paid more' contest you got going on....I have no problems 'losing' and locking Tyreke up for a reasonable contract because that means that the 'team' wins....and I'm far more interested in seeing the team win than any player winning.
It seems as if some posters (not directed at you) would rather have 'their' player win at the expense of the 'team' and attitudes like that really frustrate me when I come to the 'team' website to discuss what is going on.
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You're vastly underrating Rubio's defense which is far more consistent than Reke's atm. Rubio was rather easily amongst the top 5 PG defenders last season(the position has very few great defenders, but still). You also conviently left out Rubio having the top Steal % in the NBA, 2nd in SPG and top 10 in APG, and being an equal rebounder to Tyreke (0.5% TRB difference). Also Reke has missed significant amount of time in 3 of the 4 years he's been in the NBA due to injury so there's no difference in the regard either.
All in all, I'd say they are on fairly equal ground right now. Both slight disappointments, but still contain all-star potential
All in all, I'd say they are on fairly equal ground right now. Both slight disappointments, but still contain all-star potential
Who knows how things would be if curry were sucked into this toxic tanking situation that we've been in for over 7 years? Good post, and I agree with pretty much all of that, but I'm still happy with Evans. He can be lockdown defender when he wants to be, and that excites me. Lets see what happens in the next two years or so, with this new ownership group and a couple of new faces in that front office. Other than our crap coaching, it's hard for me to be too harsh on anyone without the last name "Maloof".
It's really incredible that Big Cuz and Evans were able to make the improvements that they made, all things considered.
It's really incredible that Big Cuz and Evans were able to make the improvements that they made, all things considered.
Beno was the best compliment we've had to Tyreke thus far. His midrange game and the spacing he provided was pretty much exactly what Tyreke needs next to him. Plus, he was a stabilising influence that could run the offense if needed, but also had no problem whatsoever to lay off and let Tyreke do his thing. I used to be a huge Beno detractor before we got Reke, but with him and in Westphal's system he was nearly the ideal counterpart to Reke. His defense still sucked, of course, but since we haven't had a single better defender in the backcourt since then, his departure has hurt us in every single way.
