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Agreed. At this point, I believe that the Maloofs will not be inclined to stay in Sacramento under any circumstances. Which would mean our hope of getting the Kings to stay will rely on something like this:
1) Anaheim not putting forward a workable deal before April 18th (including but not limited to Anaheim not putting out bonds due to concerns over lawsuits)
2) ICON/Taylor coming up with a workable arena plan without the need for an NBA tenant, and Sacramento putting that plan into motion ASAP - silly as it may sound, groundbreaking before March 1 2012 might be needed
3) The NBA deciding that it cannot abandon a small market which has just broken ground on an arena it just built for the team (because it's a PR disaster and would be a disincentive for future cities to build future arenas) and telling the Maloofs they will not approve a move under any circumstances
4) The Maloofs selling the team, possibly to buy the Hornets.
I just have trouble seeing the Maloofs remaining in Sacramento, even if the Kings do. Too much bad blood. Apparently not enough bright lights.
1) Anaheim not putting forward a workable deal before April 18th (including but not limited to Anaheim not putting out bonds due to concerns over lawsuits)
2) ICON/Taylor coming up with a workable arena plan without the need for an NBA tenant, and Sacramento putting that plan into motion ASAP - silly as it may sound, groundbreaking before March 1 2012 might be needed
3) The NBA deciding that it cannot abandon a small market which has just broken ground on an arena it just built for the team (because it's a PR disaster and would be a disincentive for future cities to build future arenas) and telling the Maloofs they will not approve a move under any circumstances
4) The Maloofs selling the team, possibly to buy the Hornets.
I just have trouble seeing the Maloofs remaining in Sacramento, even if the Kings do. Too much bad blood. Apparently not enough bright lights.
Maybe I need clarification on the last two posts. So if we were just nicer to the Maloofs they would stay under what circumstances? If everything fell through with Anahiem then maybe they are here one more year? Damn if only we were nicer. Please tell me how the city is wrong in what they are doing.
Well put. This is nothing about niceness as the line has been drawn in the sand by a complex and disappointing behavior on several party's parts. I blame the city the most for the last decade. As to what they just did, "it's business." They are protecting the tax payer. "It's business." If it upsets the Maloofs that is not an issue. I'm upset also and no one is looking out for my feelings. The reasons ae manifold and need not be repeated.
BTW, I'll slip this in as I don't know that it's important. How many cities have a basketball team and are a capital of a state? Texas? Oregon? Washington? Prehaps government towns should not think of havong a pro team and maybe it was just idiotic for the Maloofs to think that a team in this area could succeed at the level of other cities.
BTW, I'll slip this in as I don't know that it's important. How many cities have a basketball team and are a capital of a state? Texas? Oregon? Washington? Prehaps government towns should not think of havong a pro team and maybe it was just idiotic for the Maloofs to think that a team in this area could succeed at the level of other cities.
I'm glad the city is speaking their language. I personally don't see the Maloof wanting to stay once they made up their minds. this is just a repeat of how they're do business. when you're useful, they're all nice and buddy. And when they think they can't use you anymore they leave you hanging.
when i meant repeat, it's similar to Adelman.
Maloofs will regret this day more than I ever be. Kings may be gone but they will lose out big time!
when i meant repeat, it's similar to Adelman.
Maloofs will regret this day more than I ever be. Kings may be gone but they will lose out big time!
I'm glad the city of Sacramento is doing something rather than having the Maloofs waltz out
Whether they stay or not if the Anaheim deal falls through doesn't matter as the percentages are higher rather than having them leave altogether before the deadline.
Sacramento needs to discourage Anaheim as much as possible from taking the Maloofs deal by turning this into a bar room brawl. The way I see it is Anaheim would gladly take on an NBA team, but the citizens don't seem to be falling head over shoulders for the Kings and some seem to care less as they are Laker fans.
If Sac drags this out and make it a PR nightmare, Anaheim should not take this deal.
Then it hinges on ICON/Taylor throwing out something stable to the point where Stern and the rest of the owners can't approve a move when a brand new arena is in place.
Whether the Maloofs are happy or not, I and I'm sure the rest of the fans can care less. As long as the Kings themselves are in Sac, everything is good.
Whether they stay or not if the Anaheim deal falls through doesn't matter as the percentages are higher rather than having them leave altogether before the deadline.
Sacramento needs to discourage Anaheim as much as possible from taking the Maloofs deal by turning this into a bar room brawl. The way I see it is Anaheim would gladly take on an NBA team, but the citizens don't seem to be falling head over shoulders for the Kings and some seem to care less as they are Laker fans.
If Sac drags this out and make it a PR nightmare, Anaheim should not take this deal.
Then it hinges on ICON/Taylor throwing out something stable to the point where Stern and the rest of the owners can't approve a move when a brand new arena is in place.
Whether the Maloofs are happy or not, I and I'm sure the rest of the fans can care less. As long as the Kings themselves are in Sac, everything is good.
Off the top of my head...
Sacramento
Phoenix
Denver
Atlanta
Indianaoplis
Boston
OKC
SLC
Kinda/Sorta Minnesota (Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul)
Oh and then there is DC.
I don't think the problem stems from Sacramento being the state capitol as much as it does Sacramento's odd stature in the California pecking order. Many non-capitol cities that have teams employ far more government workers than the less populous state capitols.
Sacramento
Phoenix
Denver
Atlanta
Indianaoplis
Boston
OKC
SLC
Kinda/Sorta Minnesota (Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul)
Oh and then there is DC.
I don't think the problem stems from Sacramento being the state capitol as much as it does Sacramento's odd stature in the California pecking order. Many non-capitol cities that have teams employ far more government workers than the less populous state capitols.
Minneapolis = St. Paul although don't tell that to a native. As to media, they are the same. I once lived on the city line.
The bottom line point is that before buying this team they might have paid more attention to the revenue possibilities using Austin, TX as a warning flag. They got what they bought. It was a remote possibility this team would make them rich. It was a nice status symbol however. They probably wanted to have their faces on TV and linked to a world beater and it simply is not here. In some ways, the lack of private business and myriad negatives as to income flow are not our fault.
They are the business men.
The bottom line point is that before buying this team they might have paid more attention to the revenue possibilities using Austin, TX as a warning flag. They got what they bought. It was a remote possibility this team would make them rich. It was a nice status symbol however. They probably wanted to have their faces on TV and linked to a world beater and it simply is not here. In some ways, the lack of private business and myriad negatives as to income flow are not our fault.
They are the business men.
Kinda and that's all I can say. I don't know Anaheim or LA. The cities blend. BTW, it's the place where TV and radio stations start with a K (western) in Minneapolis and a W (eastern) in St. Paul. Not important I am sure. There's a difference in the character of the cities like down south. Minneapolis is more big city and St. Paul is more small city. I believe all the pro teams, great museums, theaters, and the like have been in Minneapolis or a suburb of Minneapolis.
I suppose it demonstrates how much difference there can be despite people living within shouting distance of each other.
I suppose it demonstrates how much difference there can be despite people living within shouting distance of each other.
My point (if I had one) is that the sniping back-and-forth over the past few days (weeks, really) has convinced me that the Maloofs and the City of Sacramento government no longer wish to work together. I had always, prior to that, felt that if we actually built an arena, the Maloofs would stay. Not swallow hard and stay, just simply, happily stay having gotten what they wanted.
I no longer believe that. I no longer believe that the Maloofs would be willing to commit to a long-term lease of a new facility, even if we were in the process of building it. I believe they would reject signing a lease and move at the first opportunity they had. So outside of the NBA itself telling them "you're getting a new arena, we're not going to let you move" I think they're gone, even if it doesn't happen this year.
I'm not pointing fingers as you seem to imply. I simply don't think that either party wants to work with the other any longer. And that makes the prospect of keeping the Kings an even less likely one.
I no longer believe that. I no longer believe that the Maloofs would be willing to commit to a long-term lease of a new facility, even if we were in the process of building it. I believe they would reject signing a lease and move at the first opportunity they had. So outside of the NBA itself telling them "you're getting a new arena, we're not going to let you move" I think they're gone, even if it doesn't happen this year.
I'm not pointing fingers as you seem to imply. I simply don't think that either party wants to work with the other any longer. And that makes the prospect of keeping the Kings an even less likely one.
I find the Anaheim website confusing. I presume the live broadcast will be somewhere on this page:
http://anaheim.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2
http://anaheim.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2
That's the problem right there; Sacramento has been useless for a decade and a half. All of a sudden when it looks like the team is gone, they get on their high horse and start crying and hiring lawyers? Give me a break! Shoulda done something a long time ago to keep the team there. Now it's too late.
Completely agree!
If the Kings end up staying one more year, it will be a lame duck season that everyone should try to avoid. With this latest stunt, even if the deal with Anaheim falls through and Kings stay in Sacramento, they are out the door at the first opportunity and even if there are plans for the Arena, NBA would be more inclined to support their move given that they can claim "Irrepairable damage" to the relationships with the city officials.
If the Kings end up staying one more year, it will be a lame duck season that everyone should try to avoid. With this latest stunt, even if the deal with Anaheim falls through and Kings stay in Sacramento, they are out the door at the first opportunity and even if there are plans for the Arena, NBA would be more inclined to support their move given that they can claim "Irrepairable damage" to the relationships with the city officials.
I think it is interesting that despite this letter, the Maloofs have now talked with KJ after a long period of silence. They have said positive things (which may mean nothing) and you can always take what KJ says with a grain of salt.
I don't think it is a deal breaker as there never was a deal and it is remote that there will ever be a deal. If the relationship with the city is more important than the relationship with the fans, **** the NBA.
I don't think it is a deal breaker as there never was a deal and it is remote that there will ever be a deal. If the relationship with the city is more important than the relationship with the fans, **** the NBA.
I don't know what the Twin Cities are like, but the differences between LA and Anaheim aren't really that subtle. If someone has never been and is assuming, because of proximity, that they are indistinguishable, then that's one thing. But the cities aren't interconnected, they aren't run the same way, etc.
I'm watching video and have heard the local Chamber of Commerce praise the City for getting the Kings with all the jobs, taxes, income and the like. Add a couple more while I have been writing. The big wigs seem to grasp this issue in a way I have not heard in Sacramento. The city people who will benefit from the Kings are outspoken. It's not just fans. I will grant I do not know if similar messages have come from the movers and shakers of the city but they make what I have seen from this community seem ignorant and childish.
The business men are ecstatic and I don't think that is an exaggeration. My wife has been idly listening and asked if we should move to Anaheim. Well, no, but I think the Maloofs are correct not only from the income side of the equation but to go somewhere where the business people are behind them.
The business men are ecstatic and I don't think that is an exaggeration. My wife has been idly listening and asked if we should move to Anaheim. Well, no, but I think the Maloofs are correct not only from the income side of the equation but to go somewhere where the business people are behind them.
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