Grades v. Nuggets 02/01/10

With Reke out which guy did the better job running the point for us?

  • Beno 32min 7pts (3-9 FG 0-2 3pt 1-1 FT) 4rebs 5ast 2stl 5TO

    Votes: 24 34.8%
  • Sergio 24min 8pts (4-11 FG 0-2 3pt 0-0 FT) 2reb 6ast 2stl 4TO

    Votes: 45 65.2%

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Bricklayer

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Um Kevin, I may have mentioned this to you, like for your entire frickin' career, but THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEND YOU TO THE LINE ON A FLOP IN THE FINAL SECONDS.

That said, I think we need to petition the league to let us play the Nuggets every game of the season. For the last month they have been just about all the entertainment we've had around here.


Greene ( C ) -- hit his first jumper from the right side, grabbed some early boards and generally played a good roleplaying first quarter. Blocked at the rim after Sergio hit him on the cut in the 2nd. Got his hands on quite a few balls on defense for near steals and tips again. Quiet after half as the wheels came off, and minutes were sporadic therafter. Grabbed a board or two, missed a three, but generally neither involved nor visible and lost minutes in the nightly minutes scrum as 9 players racked up 19 or more (and Jason had 19).

Thompson ( D+ ) -- and again, as with the Philly game, the strong late game play against Charlotte just led nowhere, and the slump continues. What Jason should be concerned with, as if he is not lost in enough waves of self inflicted mental anguish already, is that his minutes are shrinking almost nightly as it has reached proportions that have him losing his coach's confidence. Everybody has ups and downs, but this is ridiculous, and it is 100% his own doing. And if he doesn't get a hold of himself and quick we might just start picking up that phone when teams call to inquire. Got picked up top when we got all crowded up and ran 3 guys into his zone. Did not score before leaving late in the first, and with the bench taking over ended up sitting the rest of the half watching while we built the lead. Recovered to immediately get a layup from Beno to start the third. Spin move turnover, and then fouled trying to get it back. Post move to stop the bleeding as we fell behind in the 4th. Lost a ton of minutes to Brockman, who did the things Jason is supposed to without sulking, freaking out, bouncing around like an idiot, or any of the other self-inflicted wounds. Not effective defensively on the other KMart. Finished the game 9th on the team in minutes despite neither being injured nor in foul trouble and may be crossing a critical threshhold here from being aguy who loses minutes if he gives his coach a reason not to play him, to one who loses minutes unless he gives his coach a reason to play him.. Wake the bleep up Jason! The game's not that complex.

Hawes ( A- ) -- our best player on the night? None other than the man-boy known as "Flutter" and "Soggy Waffles" because of his penchant for soft play. Aggressive start going right at Nene in the post, and very involved early. Came over for the help block on Smith, made a backdoor pass to Kevin. back in for very end of half, and got fouled on a pick and roll and hit the FTs to put us up 13. Running hook in the ealy 3rd. Immediate surge after Sergio returned in the third with a pair of hoops, and then a block. Turnaround blocked by the Bird. Block on Nene as we started the fade in the 4th. Hit an important jumper in the mid 4th to cut it back to 4 and hit big shot after big shot holding us right there. Scooped up a loose ball in mid court and went spinning and swooping past Nene for the layup to get us back within 2. Tipped home the game tying shot at the 28 second mark as he was poised to get the big hero grading bump. But missed the long jumper at the buzzer as we headed to OT -- play was not primarily designed for him, but his passing options were cut off. Still got off a decent look. Hit the corner three for the lead at the 1:30 mark of OT. Did make a largely meaningless mistake at the 0.7 second mark after the Nuggets hit 1 of 2 to go up 3 and largely ice it. From under our own hoop, down three, the only way to tie a three...and he threw it full court court down to a man in the Nuggets paint. Did not matter that it was tipped away, even if we caught it it could not have worked. In any case, not perfect but damn if Waffles didn't step up when everybody else was stepping back and almost pull this out. Finished with 23pts on 10-18 shooting, 7rebs and 3 ast and even managed to avoid getting pummeled by Nene. He flashed a few moments of clutch last year as well -- just think how good he could be if his body produced any testosterone. Is BALCO still in business?

Martin ( C ) -- played a very good first half -- and it wasn't about shooting/scoring, which never came smoothly. Rather it was him taking a page from Reke's draw and kick book and notching up 5 assists before halftime. Wasn't hesitating, wasn't looking to flop or force, when the pressure came or he was cut off he swung it sharply to the open guy and we were knocing them down. Unfortunately of course a game is 48 minutes long, or in this case 53, and Kevin's game will appropriately be remembered by his late play ratehr than his early play. Was being chased of the backdoor cuts by Affalo in the early going, finally got a drive +1 in the mid 1st. Dish to Hawes. Then another quick drive. Used the drive and kick to Donte. Once J.R. Smtih entered able to get free for that backdoor cut -- amazing the difference a non-defender makes. Could see him aware of the Birdman when he entered the game to protect the rim. Played some good defense rotating on Lawson. Airballed an open shot in the mid 2nd. Got the open three with 30 seconds to go to put us up 16, but more importantly had those 5 first half assists. Some shaky ballhandling to start the third. On an attempted alley oop in the mid-third got blocked by Carter. No points in the third and started to do the Kevin slouch before being replaced by Beno late in the period. We tried to force it to him to start the 4th resulting in another turnover. Drew a foul to finally get a pair of FTs in the early 4th and only hit 1 of 2. Missed an open three in the corner. Pair of gift FTs in the mid 4th on a flail/flop. Then drew another foul to get it within 2. Could not stop Billups at all down the stretch of the 4th and kept sending him to line. We finally had ot bring in Beno and Sergio for defensive(!) purposes. Very bad 2nd half. Started the OT looking like he was aiming for the redemption, hitting an open three to start things. Then the next time down wildly threw himself around trying to draw a foul, which is just so beyond tired and would bite us in the butt a few minutes later. Got free on the backdoor cut at the 2:45 mark of OT and still looking like maybe the storline would be redemption. But collapsed in the clutch situation again. Maybe a little fortunate in getting the loose ball foul called on Nene at the 45 second mark as the clock was running out and Kevin was heading toward a travel. Then came back and turned it over going 1 on 2 on the ensuing possesion. Beat by Affalo of all people for the game winner at the 19 second mark on the step back off the tip pola. On the play everybody is talking about, again blew a game winning/tyiong attempt at the OT buzzer as he AGAIN tried to flail around and draw the foul rather than just shoot the damn ball. This is a career long pattern and he just does not seem tto learn. The refs will NOT call a foul on your flop to win the game for you in the final seconds. They just won't. Nor should they. Its up to Kevin to make the adjustment, not the refs. So what started off looking promising ended up fugly. 22pts, but in a ton of minutes (47), 5-17 shooting for our 39% shooting shooting guard and as poor after half as he was good before it. Would normally drop this half a grade for the clutch collapse, but liked what I saw before half as he notched 5reb and 6ast (for 1 night only he was a 20-5-5 guy himself) and that gets the counter bump. Leaves it at a flat C.

Udrih ( C- ) -- well, stepped in as starter as we awesomely reunited 4/5 of our 17 win starting lineup for this one, and played kind of like he did last year. Hit his first jumper, then the give and go with JT. Faked Billups right to the floor so badly it looked like he may have hurt him -- Chauncey was down and maybe clutching his ankle. Now THAT would a fake to tell the kids about. Fake a guy right out of the game. Sat for a long spell as Sergio effectively ran things in the 2nd. Back in as we strangled after half. Timely jumper along the baseline to get it back to 9 at the 2:00 mark of the third, but then missed a layup. Another bad end of quarter sequence -- bad pass turnover, then beat by Lawson's quickness for the layup to close the third and shrink our lead down to only 5. Beat by Lawson's quickness again. Forced into the bad shot by the Nuggets defense at the 2:00 mark of the 4th. Stopped Billups on one posession in the last 2 minutes but then Billups posted him and scored over him to make it 4 again at the 55 second mark. Got stripped on a drive at the 3:15 mark of OT. Tied up Kenyon Martin for the jumpball in the clsoing seconds, but of course lost that jump on the play that Affalo knocked down for the game winner. Finsihed up with a messy 7pts 4reb 5ast 5TO night which maybe wasn't as bad as that line suggests, but certianly was nothing to write home about. Unless that letter to home says "mom, please don't watch this one".
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Bench

Brockman ( A- ) -- overpowered by Nene in the early 2nd, but then went on a fun streak that saw him hit his career high in points all in one quarter. Hit a layup after he was unguarded under the hoop. Went right at Nene and scored on him. Galloped in from the three pt line past Nene and finsihed with an amazng 11pts by half! Woohoo! Career-high. Then did the heat check and tried that little jumper, and still no. 11pts 7reb in just over a quarter of first half work and a major reason why we pushed out to the big first half lead. Back quickly in the third for JT but was less effecive. Grabbed severla more boards, but did not score and minutes were shorter with Spencer demanding all he could get at the C spot. Back in for defense at the end of the 4th, and Did a good job getting back to stop a breakaway with the foul in OT. 11pts 11reb in 22min. Keeps it simple, and on night like tonight, effective. Most of this was first half fun though. Gets a tick here for the career high.

Casspi ( B ) -- second straight game of looking revived. Still not many touched, but has been making the most of them. Cut to the hoop and took the ball from Noc, then cut again and got his head sat on by J.R. Smith for his trouble, sending him to the line. Backdoor cut for the layup. Nice wraparound pass on the semi-break to Brockman. O-reb and scored on the goaltend by Kenyon Martin. Stepped up in the clutch. Fouled at the 1:53 mark and hit the 2 clutch FTs. Hit the clutch post shot at the 40 second mark to make the lead 2. Missed the drive at the 30 second mark, but Hawes tipped it home to tie. In OT forced a post move and fouled by Affalo at 2:15 and again hit both FTs to keep the pressure on the Nuggets. Very nearly a turnover as he had a ball poked away in the post at the 1:00 mark and a scramble ensued. Not a great game, but a competitive one, and stepped forward in the clutch.

May ( INC ) -- short first half stint in which he amazingly ran up the court, and then recovered to run back down the court. He did this several times even. It was the most special 1:43 seconds of basketball you areever likely to see.

Rodriguez ( C+ ) -- Played well int he second quarter running the team during our biggest offensive output (we scored 38 in that quarter, 35 in the 3rd and 4th combined). Ran the team, notched assists, but also mixed in those curious selfish one on one moments that jsut don't seem to fit in the portfolio. Went one on one on a dumb play against Birdman, then tried it again and missed badly. Corner jumper to put us up 9. One on one jumper bricked at the 2:00 mark. Pick and roll with Hawes late in the half as Hawes rolled and got fouled. Misran the end of half play, starting too early and turning it over. Got in early in the third with us struggling. Alley oop to Hawes immediately. Tough baseline turnaround to get it back to 11 after the Nuggets really started to press us. Then came the 4th, and things turned unfortunate, Airballed a three after returning in the 4th. Overpenetrated and turned it over in the mid 4th. Selfish take into the lane equaled a turnover. And almost turned it over on the next possession as well as he got it poked from behind, but worked out as Hawes scooped it and swooped to the hoop. Pressure defense got on him at the 2:20 mark and he settled for a contested three.


Nocioni ( B+ ) -- game that felt good largely because Noc finally hit theose bombs. Hit a three in the early second, then hit one again and not guarded either time. Drove and set up Casspi. Then drained a third three as we jsut slapped around the Nuggets for a quarter. Ran the break wrong with Udoka again (did the exact same thing a week or two ago with Reke), waiting too long to dump to the open Udoka and picking up a charging call instead. Not sure whetehr its bad instincts (Noc is nto the guy you want in the middle of the break) or if his sticky fingers disease has reached a stage that he just doesn't want to let go of a ball unless he absolutely has to. Forced a shot at the end of the third. Was back for the stretch and hit a pair of FTs to make it 2 with 3 minutes to go. Came up with a big block at the 2:00 mark to keep it 4 and give us a chance.

Udoka ( INC ) -- in for the first time in the late third as Westphal was looking for somebody to hold us that lead. Drew Billups and immediately forced him into a tough airball. Caught a Noc airball and laid it in. Just the brief stint.

Notes: Beno/Martin/JT/Hawes = 4/5 of last year's starters so...how far have we come? Offense began to break down in the early 3rd. Momentum changed late on a missed 3 by Smith that would have made it 9. Still at 6, we did not quit and quickly scored back twice to make it 2. 9+ = might have done it and takne the wind out of our sails after we had been so far ahead. Defensive subs at 28 second mark Udoka, Greene, Brock, yet it was Kevin who ended up defending Bilups game winning attempt.
 
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Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
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Being the man who coined the Soggy Waffles nickname for Hawes, I find that it is now time to give him a new moniker since he had really stepped it up. Tabasco
 
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I voted Beno. He's more of a floor leader and more experienced at the NBA level than Sergio. Sergio dribbles endlessly, sometimes effective, but often not. He's a below average shooter, where Beno has an excellent mid-range game. Beno has more of a solid NBA body and uses it to some advantage. Sergio is smaller, weaker, can't fight through screens and is just exposed way too much on D. Beno is around a 90% FT shooter and hits them in the clutch. Sergio rarely gets to the line.
 
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what in the hell was the play call for the last secs of OT, Kevin dribble up the court and try and draw a foul. I may critical of refs, but you cant expect a call there, well unless your the Fakers.
 
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C's all around. Everyone looked good if not great for stretches, and they all equally stunk it up together to let Denver win it. Martin looked good and played some solid defense (for him at least- didn't fall down and didn't foul) in the clutch but showed a total lack of killer instinct and kept relying on trying to get the refs to bail him out instead of taking over
 
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Um Kevin, I may have mentioned this to you, like for your entire frickin' career, but THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEND YOU TO THE LINE ON A FLOP IN THE FINAL SECONDS.
Thank you..I just never understand that. I thought he understood that the refs don't call those weak fouls at the end of games.
 
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Kingsguy881

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Martin played decent defense, he lapsed at times and didn't step up to stop the ball on occasion. Kudos to him for the effort. Not having Reke there with the confident drive at the end really hurts.

What happened last time when Reke had the ball in the waning seconds vs. the Nuggets? Where you at Kenyon?


Anyway, for everybody that whines and cries for Sergio or Beno to get more pt or the need for a true pg to start, 11 assists vs. 9 turnover, some horrible shooting percentages and barely 17 points, with no tough defense from that position between the two of them (kinda sounds like Rubio http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2010/02/01/unselfish-to-a-fault/ ), has me screaming for Tyreke. I don't know about you....
 
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Kingsguy881

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Um Kevin, I may have mentioned this to you, like for your entire frickin' career, but THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEND YOU TO THE LINE ON A FLOP IN THE FINAL SECONDS.

That said, I think we need to petition the league to let us play the Nuggets every game of the season. For the last month they have been just about all the entertainment we've had around here.

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Which is why I had my argument with whomever before the season that Tyreke is better at drawing fouls than Martin. He is not a flopper and in the closing seconds, he's either going to score, you are going to foul him, or you are going to have some tremendous help defense.
 
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Anyway, for everybody that whines and cries for Sergio or Beno to get more pt or the need for a true pg to start, 11 assists vs. 9 turnover, some horrible shooting percentages and barely 17 points, with no tough defense from that position between the two of them (kinda sounds like Rubio http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2010/02/01/unselfish-to-a-fault/ ), has me screaming for Tyreke. I don't know about you....
Honestly couldnt have said it any better....

The Kings need Reke, regardless if he's playing out of position or not. Yea Sergio provided some spurts of energy here and there, but was still out of control in my opinion.
 
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Sergio provides a spark off the bench and a change in tempo, we all know that and we give Sergio credit for it. But for all the sergio fans who are always ripping Tyreke for not passing enough, your boy thought he was kobe out there in the 2nd half. I'm not trying to say he didn't do well, just pointing out that forcing the issue or not sharing the ball enough isn't exclusively a Tyreke problem, especially on a young team. In the first half Sergio did an excellent job.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
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Sergio provides a spark off the bench and a change in tempo, we all know that and we give Sergio credit for it. But for all the sergio fans who are always ripping Tyreke for not passing enough, your boy thought he was kobe out there in the 2nd half. I'm not trying to say he didn't do well, just pointing out that forcing the issue or not sharing the ball enough isn't exclusively a Tyreke problem, especially on a young team. In the first half Sergio did an excellent job.
but Sergio is of the potential of star. I not watch much American basketball but in European or no still good to pass ball. Tyreak is no pass point guard like Sergio or Rubio. In European he is forward at most third bench player.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
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Here, let me help get the point across

Um Kevin, I may have mentioned this to you, like for your entire frickin' career, but
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEND YOU TO THE LINE ON A FLOP IN THE FINAL SECONDS.

That said, I think we need to petition the league to let us play the Nuggets every game of the season. For the last month they have been just about all the entertainment we've had around here.

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but Sergio is of the potential of star. I not watch much American basketball but in European or no still good to pass ball. Tyreak is no pass point guard like Sergio or Rubio. In European he is forward at most third bench player.
not a very cool way of getting ur point across
 
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sactownfan

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Being the man who coined the Soggy Waffles nickname for Hawes, I find that it is now time to give him a new moniker since he had really stepped it up. Tabasco
oh man... as the one that wouldn't let soggy waffles go... i just wanna say it might be a tad premature to get excited about Hawes... i mean JT played great for almost 2 months before he totally crumbled back to the ground... Hawes hasn't really even taken off yet... although he has been looking better...

honestly i know hes been playing much much better on offense but from now on im only looking at boards and blocks for him... (and all around hustle) and at the end of tonight i still see 7boards and 1blk... eh... ok but he still needs to be more consistent on the defensive side...
 
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oh man... as the one that wouldn't let soggy waffles go... i just wanna say it might be a tad premature to get excited about Hawes... i mean JT played great for almost 2 months before he totally crumbled back to the ground... Hawes hasn't really even taken off yet... although he has been looking better...

honestly i know hes been playing much much better on offense but from now on im only looking at boards and blocks for him... (and all around hustle) and at the end of tonight i still see 7boards and 1blk... eh... ok but he still needs to be more consistent on the defensive side...
Dude, I honestly don't know what exactly it is that you expect from Hawes, but if you are waiting for him to become Shaq or Dwight Howard, you are in for a huge disappointment. Yes, he is going to improve and become a better defender, but he is not going to be the monstrous defensive big we all want. We need to get one like that, through a trade, and then combine him with Hawes and JT in the big men rotation to make better use of each of their upside. Hawes played great tonight. Who cares if he only had 7 rebounds? We outrebounded denver 48-33. Rebounding was our last problem tonight, and Hawes was one of the main factors we were even in a position to try to win this game. So maybe tonight, just tonight, lay off the guy, or at least give him one sincere compliment without it seeming like you just found a worm in your apple.
 
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oh man... as the one that wouldn't let soggy waffles go... i just wanna say it might be a tad premature to get excited about Hawes... i mean JT played great for almost 2 months before he totally crumbled back to the ground... Hawes hasn't really even taken off yet... although he has been looking better...

honestly i know hes been playing much much better on offense but from now on im only looking at boards and blocks for him... (and all around hustle) and at the end of tonight i still see 7boards and 1blk... eh... ok but he still needs to be more consistent on the defensive side...
which is the second most rebounds on the team and third amongst both teams. he outrebounded Nene, the nugget's starting center. what more do u want?
 
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sactownfan

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which is the second most rebounds on the team and third amongst both teams. he outrebounded Nene, the nugget's starting center. what more do u want?
how bout for Hawes to avg at least 7 boards a game on the year for starters

hes avg 6 a game on the year

to put things into perspective Hawes career rebound avg is not even 1 board a game more than Mark Blount's career avg...

and their both around the same mins per game career averages right now...

yeah Hawes is young blah blah blah... but Blount was drafted 54th not 10th... and Blount was terrible at defense and rebounding... but his offense was alright...

i dont even care what hawes does on offense anymore... his offense was never totally in doubt... i look at #1 hustle #2 boards and #3 blocks.... hes showing a little bit of hope... but come on guys... we do this all the time... start getting excited and then Hawes goes 3 games without a block or more than 4 boards... but shoots 2 or 3 3pt shots! hey!
 
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Spencer played well. I really enjoyed when Casspi missed his shot that he was right there and tipped it back into the basket.

Martin, who drove left against Kenyon Martin and fired the off-balance shot that missed badly, clearly expected a foul to be called. He finished with just 5-of-17 shooting.

"I'm not a guy who gets fined, so let's go to the next question," he said when asked about the play.

Source: http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2506455.html
So does this mean that Kevin would probably go for the foul again if he had the opportunity at the end of another game?

I have supported Kevin from the day he was drafted, but the thing that always bothered me was the flopping - especially at the end of games. Why settle for a foul when you have a chance (with his speed and skills) to just go inside, especially when he there's a opening?
 
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sactownfan

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I honestly think having to watch Brockman start over him really ticked off Hawes. But i worry that if he gets comfortable again he'll fall back into being lazy...

But maybe he wont and like all of you here I really do hope... (i do) that he will finally give this team 110% every game and during the offseason.... I'd love to see that and i do wish him the best...
 
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but Sergio is of the potential of star. I not watch much American basketball but in European or no still good to pass ball. Tyreak is no pass point guard like Sergio or Rubio. In European he is forward at most third bench player.
LMAO!! Put Tyreke in a 1-4 flat against Rubio or Sergio and we'll see who's a 3rd bench player. Tyreke eats those guys for breakfast. I don't care what you say, at the end of their careers, Reke will be mounds better than both of these guys combined.

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Just realized what this guy was doing...

Totally not cool...
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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but Sergio is of the potential of star. I not watch much American basketball but in European or no still good to pass ball. Tyreak is no pass point guard like Sergio or Rubio. In European he is forward at most third bench player.
mock the syndrome if you must, but please don't mock the language skills. In 99% of the cases our non-native English speaking posters speak English as a 2nd language a hell of a lot better than you speak theirs.
 
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sactownfan

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mock the syndrome if you must, but please don't mock the language skills. In 99% of the cases our non-native English speaking posters speak English as a 2nd language a hell of a lot better than you speak theirs.
i agree that was a tad bit messed up... although i did get red carded today for calling people special or slow... lol!

i guess this is the point in the season where some of us (the slightly higher strung) slowly begin to lose our minds... and begin just being ticked off everything... i think i could be one more clutch Kobe game winner from amassing 2red cards and a troll celebration sendoff!!! or maybe it will be the 100+ more times i have to watch Hawes and JT get blown up rejected trying to lay a ball up or dunk this year... lol! ok maybe not really(about the troll celebration,but that will happen to JT and Hawes)... but dont edit this post or my threads... :rolleyes:
 
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Sergio provides a spark off the bench and a change in tempo, we all know that and we give Sergio credit for it. But for all the sergio fans who are always ripping Tyreke for not passing enough, your boy thought he was kobe out there in the 2nd half. I'm not trying to say he didn't do well, just pointing out that forcing the issue or not sharing the ball enough isn't exclusively a Tyreke problem, especially on a young team. In the first half Sergio did an excellent job.
I didn't see this game, but from what a friend descriptions of what happened to me it sounds like one of that cases when Sergio doesn't show leadership. He need others to make him screens and create passing opportunities for him. He don't think he is Kobe and would always pass the ball if he has a target. But sometimes instead of giving his team instructions like a PG should do (Rubio BTW does that very well from even younger age), he tries to do things by-himself.
I'm not sure if this is because of him lack of leadership in his character or because of his roll at the last years, which is most of his professional career.
Anyway, I'll watch the game on replay this evening and will be more sure if this is what happened in this game...

Oh, and what an "coincidence", despite of Sergio and Udrih not being at their best individually, other players performed well enough to almost win the Nuggets at a road game.
Psychology is part of basketball. Players when they feel involved perform better.

Again, sorry for my English.
 
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He did go selfish the second half, I agree. I don't know why didn't try to assist Spencer, cause it was very obvious in some plays. The same story than a couple of the games before Martin returned, surprising nonsense selfishness coming from him. But it wasn't a bad game overall neither, in the second quarter he was very good.

but Sergio is of the potential of star. I not watch much American basketball but in European or no still good to pass ball. Tyreak is no pass point guard like Sergio or Rubio. In European he is forward at most third bench player.
WTF? Tyreke is a beast and he'd be atonishing in any european team. He wouldn't play as PG, but end of the story.Look, I think you don't make a favour to Sergio exagerating his play or diminishing Tyreke's, cause this will come a continuous and nonsense debate between blind sergio fans and blind sergio haters.

Sergio is potential of being a cheap version of Nash, I think he can be a solid starter PG in the future, but he lacks Nash shooting right now and his deffense isn't as good as should be, altough he is improving. The turnovers are also a very negative issue, but not a big one: I think that the turnovers will be fixed quickly if there is some regularity for him, wich I don't think will come this year however. Psicology it's important, and coming in and out in the rotations isn't good for decission making and self-confidence so expecting him to fix his turnovers without a defined role in the rotation is not very realistic.
 
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Sergio is potential of being a cheap version of Nash, I think he can be a solid starter PG in the future, but he lacks Nash shooting right now and his deffense isn't as good as should be, altough he is improving. The turnovers are also a very negative issue, but not a big one: I think that the turnovers will be fixed quickly if there is some regularity for him, wich I don't think will come this year however. Psicology it's important, and coming in and out in the rotations isn't good for decission making and self-confidence so expecting him to fix his turnovers without a defined role in the rotation is not very realistic.
Definitely, Sergio has the potential and passing abilities to become a very good PG, and he's still pretty young. But I think he has to realise that at this point coaches aren't going to award him major minutes on default because of what he does on the offensive end. He has to work his way into regular rotations with hustle, defense and cutting down the turnovers. It's rather unfortunate that Sergio is a young guy getting little playing time because I think if he were a vet Tyreke could learn a lot from Sergio, passing wise and pushing the tempo. Not that he can't now, but as a competitor for PT somewhat I think it is human nature to hold back the tips and mentoring stuff.

To the sergio fans, just wondering, how good a shooter is Sergio and where are the majority of his points scored from? At his best in Spain or whenever his best was.
 
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