Old ESPN article on Evans..
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I didn't refuse to ackknowledge anything, the discussion at that time was about picking players where you already had players of all star caliber. I just made a hypothetical on if Evans turned out to be a SG then we would have two probable all star type SGs on one team.
Someone had mentioned Blake Griffin and whether or not we would take him being that we had Thompson.. Then I basically turned around and offered the argument about Evans in re: to SG.. I know where he is going to play this year.. I was just talking about the lateral pick type thing..
Now to your post....
Non conference up until about the middle of the Syracuse game Evans played SG with Mack bringing the ball up. Basically what happened was you had a so-so college player trying to handle the ball and initiate the offense. Memphis looked like a bunch of lost puppies just standing around. I like to say that motion creates motion, meaning that Mack standing around with the ball made the rest of them pretty much stand around.
Evans getting the ball was the right move. Evans is their best player. He is arguably their best ball handler and he can create his own shot. So why wouldn't you give him the ball when your other option is Mack? Not sure if you know much about Donneal Mack but he is a taller version of Orion Greene. VERY ineffective as a PG. Evans gave Memphis needed energy. His constant motion with the ball created motion from others on offense. Basically energized the floor. It was night and day after the Syracuse game although the competition did drop after they went into conference play.
Evans played the ball handler. If you did watch the games you can't tell me that he showed great PG skills. He showed great offensive skills, but not great PG skills. So people like to say Evans played PG in college.. Well he was their best ball handler, and offensive threat. The ball should have been in his hands from the start. Doesn't mean that he is a great passer, distributor, play maker, or he sees the floor well to get others involved. So I like to say he played combo guard/ball handler.
But anyhow, if you did watch Memphis through their first few games when the ball was brought up by Mack you would have known the right move would be to move Evans to the handler. There wasn't enough movement. But by no means did Evans show me that he's a natural PG. He's a combo guard plain and simple. He still needs to learn how to make others around him better rather than just dominating the ball.
Someone had mentioned Blake Griffin and whether or not we would take him being that we had Thompson.. Then I basically turned around and offered the argument about Evans in re: to SG.. I know where he is going to play this year.. I was just talking about the lateral pick type thing..
Now to your post....
Non conference up until about the middle of the Syracuse game Evans played SG with Mack bringing the ball up. Basically what happened was you had a so-so college player trying to handle the ball and initiate the offense. Memphis looked like a bunch of lost puppies just standing around. I like to say that motion creates motion, meaning that Mack standing around with the ball made the rest of them pretty much stand around.
Evans getting the ball was the right move. Evans is their best player. He is arguably their best ball handler and he can create his own shot. So why wouldn't you give him the ball when your other option is Mack? Not sure if you know much about Donneal Mack but he is a taller version of Orion Greene. VERY ineffective as a PG. Evans gave Memphis needed energy. His constant motion with the ball created motion from others on offense. Basically energized the floor. It was night and day after the Syracuse game although the competition did drop after they went into conference play.
Evans played the ball handler. If you did watch the games you can't tell me that he showed great PG skills. He showed great offensive skills, but not great PG skills. So people like to say Evans played PG in college.. Well he was their best ball handler, and offensive threat. The ball should have been in his hands from the start. Doesn't mean that he is a great passer, distributor, play maker, or he sees the floor well to get others involved. So I like to say he played combo guard/ball handler.
But anyhow, if you did watch Memphis through their first few games when the ball was brought up by Mack you would have known the right move would be to move Evans to the handler. There wasn't enough movement. But by no means did Evans show me that he's a natural PG. He's a combo guard plain and simple. He still needs to learn how to make others around him better rather than just dominating the ball.
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Cool I can't wait to see him play. If he sucks at handling ball but yet can still learned to play PG, be "best ball handler on a team" and compete at a college level than I have more hope he can do it in the NBA.
"How to" can be taught, especially when one is young. He might not be able to do it yet but it sure does help to be able to dominate the ball.
"How to" can be taught, especially when one is young. He might not be able to do it yet but it sure does help to be able to dominate the ball.
As you know, I don't care whether Evans is our starting point guard or not. All I care about is that he becomes an impact player in some fashion for the team. So let me do a what if. What if we were to sign Sessions. And what if we were to start Sessions. Then what? Personally, I wouldn't have any problem with Evans coming off the bench behind both Sessions and Martin. If Evans were to improve his shooting, his game would be very similar to Martins, and, at the point he would bring big matchup problems.
Evans could easily get 30 minutes or more a game being the main backup at both positions. It would give him a chance to get minutes at the point without the pressure of having to start at that position. It would also give the Kings depth off the bench, something they desperately need. Sergio, and or Beno could fill in when needed at the point.
Of course the flaw in this plan is at the three, where we already have Noc, Cisco, Green, and Casspi. This plan would put Cisco mainly at the three either starting or as the main backup. Somebody would have to go.
Anyway, just curious what you think. Your young point guard problem is solved, but other problems are created..
Evans could easily get 30 minutes or more a game being the main backup at both positions. It would give him a chance to get minutes at the point without the pressure of having to start at that position. It would also give the Kings depth off the bench, something they desperately need. Sergio, and or Beno could fill in when needed at the point.
Of course the flaw in this plan is at the three, where we already have Noc, Cisco, Green, and Casspi. This plan would put Cisco mainly at the three either starting or as the main backup. Somebody would have to go.
Anyway, just curious what you think. Your young point guard problem is solved, but other problems are created..
I would agree with most of what you said, with the added note, that on occasion he would make a nice pass around the basket to a teammate. He was however the best finisher on a team that didn't have many good finishers. It would have been nice to see how he would have played had lets say, CDR still been on the team. Unfortunately you can only judge players by who they play with, and that can have an overall effect on said players game. It certainly didn't hurt Rombo's game when he suddenly had Garnett and Allen added to the mix.
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If indeed this is an accurate description of what Evans did in Memphis I wouldn't be surprized if he does the same thing in Sacramento. Like Memphis, Sacramento does not really have anybody strong and reliable enough to finish games.
I hope the coaching staff will let him fluorish ASAP and let him do his thing. I don't care if he does not turn out to be a "pure" point guard, or ends-up a 2, as long as he can be an impact player and deliver the wins.
We can not get the Superstars Wade, Arenas, Kobe, or Lebron to go play in Kings uniform, let us develop our very own Evans into one.
BTW, who is Rombo? Is he the long-haired, vietnam vet guy who's got nine lives?
I hope the coaching staff will let him fluorish ASAP and let him do his thing. I don't care if he does not turn out to be a "pure" point guard, or ends-up a 2, as long as he can be an impact player and deliver the wins.
We can not get the Superstars Wade, Arenas, Kobe, or Lebron to go play in Kings uniform, let us develop our very own Evans into one.
BTW, who is Rombo? Is he the long-haired, vietnam vet guy who's got nine lives?
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If indeed this is an accurate description of what Evans did in Memphis I wouldn't be surprized if he does the same thing in Sacramento. Like Memphis, Sacramento does not really have anybody strong and reliable enough to finish games.
I hope the coaching staff will let him fluorish ASAP and let him do his thing. I don't care if he does not turn out to be a "pure" point guard, or ends-up a 2, as long as he can be an impact player and deliver the wins.
We can not get the Superstars Wade, Arenas, Kobe, or Lebron to go play in Kings uniform, let us develop our very own Evans into one.
BTW, who is Rombo? Is he the long-haired, vietnam vet guy who's got nine lives?
I hope the coaching staff will let him fluorish ASAP and let him do his thing. I don't care if he does not turn out to be a "pure" point guard, or ends-up a 2, as long as he can be an impact player and deliver the wins.
We can not get the Superstars Wade, Arenas, Kobe, or Lebron to go play in Kings uniform, let us develop our very own Evans into one.
BTW, who is Rombo? Is he the long-haired, vietnam vet guy who's got nine lives?
The problem with not starting Evans is that youre choosing to bring him up to speed slower rather than quickly so that you can start average to below average players ahead of him. I could understand bringing Evans off the bench on the worst team if you have a really good point guard, but not if its either Udrih,Rodriguez, or Garcia. The Kings are a case of the mentality "we're the worst team, what have we got to lose? start the rookie." I cant make any sense of benching Evans so you can instead play Udrih, Rodriguez, or Garcia. Im pretty confident the FO is thinking similar.
Your taking only part of my post out of context. I was responding to Gary's post that he didn't have a problem with Evans becoming a good player at the 2, but that would still leave us without a point guard. I asked what if we were to sign Sessions and he were to start at the point. My post had nothing to do with starting Beno, Sergio, or Cisco at the point.
What makes you so sure i was even responding to your post? Did i quote your post? There are plenty of people in here that think poor wittle Evans needs to come off the bench because the big bad NBA will be too much to handle for wittle tyweke Ebans. Better make sure the Kings have all their bases covered and start a pure point guard mature vet like Beno....lol The top priority for the Kings right now is to develop Evans and make some trades.
Dude, calm down. If you wern't responding to me I'm sorry. It sounded as though you were since I had just posted something about Evans coming off the bench. I'm a huge Evans supporter, but I personally don't care where he plays as long as he plays. I've never said he couldn't become a point guard, nor do I care if he surplants Martin as our shooting guard in time. The important thing, is I think the Kings got better.
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dang... wheres the love? should we split the pro-evans posters up? bajaden you are now officially pro-evans(overall good player) and everyone else(chupacabra, kingsgurl881, etc...) is pro-evans(pg and only pg)... the republican party has more unity than you guys. lol....
because me and gary are on the same page, evans isnt a pg.... thats it, he might be a good player one day but he just isnt a pg.
because me and gary are on the same page, evans isnt a pg.... thats it, he might be a good player one day but he just isnt a pg.
Basically, yes....
heh.. OK I'm kidding. It's kind of funny how the two sides of this argument are so far apart on actually agreeing on anything. The only think that will bring the two sides together is Evans playing a season and showing us all whether will or will not be a PG for the Kings. But along the way I am sure there will be a lot of;
Tyreke Evans: F-
What the heck was this kid thinking? He seemed to cause more problems than Beno did. I would like to see Beno get more time while Evans works out his turnover problems.
Tyreke Evans: A+
WOW! Who would have thought that Evans could be as clutch as this! He took the game over and single handedly won us the game in the 4th quarter with his inside play. Reminds me a LOT of Bonzi Wells in the Spurs series. Unstoppable! Plus he kept the turnovers down, and was able to distribute the ball well!
Fair enough.
Now, totally OT...You ready to get your posterior kicked in the draft tomorrow?
Now, totally OT...You ready to get your posterior kicked in the draft tomorrow?
Oh yah.. 12 teams.. ugh.. This is the tough draft because I got to worry about the defense more so than the other plus with 12 teams it will be hard to get a load of good players.. Definitely going with prospects on this team.
That's because two huge groups (not mutually exclusive) have left the discussion:
1) those who think the outcome is too uncertain to argue about, and
2) those who think there's no point in arguing about it anymore until there are some games to look at.
Deduct those groups, and you're down to a handful of posters. Neither side can win the argument, since there won't be any new evidence until October, all you can really do now is to troll (and be trolled by) the other side.
Feel free to grab a beer and relax in group #2! You've made your position clear enough, and it's going to be a while before anyone will be eating crow.
1) those who think the outcome is too uncertain to argue about, and
2) those who think there's no point in arguing about it anymore until there are some games to look at.
Deduct those groups, and you're down to a handful of posters. Neither side can win the argument, since there won't be any new evidence until October, all you can really do now is to troll (and be trolled by) the other side.
Feel free to grab a beer and relax in group #2! You've made your position clear enough, and it's going to be a while before anyone will be eating crow.
I did.
I've always thought that Petrie is a dumb GM when it comes to trading players, but I also thought Petrie had been very good when it comes to evaluating draft talents. I knew he was going to be a lot smarter than people who easily fall into media's over-hyping of Rubio. And he was - he did pick Evans. Well, it was not only Petrie who picked smartly, but also Memphis and Oklahoma. I can still remember when a lot of people projected Rubio as lottery pick #2.
I've always thought that Petrie is a dumb GM when it comes to trading players, but I also thought Petrie had been very good when it comes to evaluating draft talents. I knew he was going to be a lot smarter than people who easily fall into media's over-hyping of Rubio. And he was - he did pick Evans. Well, it was not only Petrie who picked smartly, but also Memphis and Oklahoma. I can still remember when a lot of people projected Rubio as lottery pick #2.
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Ahhh, the logical Gary returns.. Here's the difference between you and Aries.. You, I can reason with. Talking to Aries, lovable though he may be, is like talking to a wall. Its like listening to politicians on the news with their talking points. They never respond to anything you say. They just keep repeating the talking points. Its not really his fault. He's just a victim of his inviorment..
Ahhh, the logical Gary returns.. Here's the difference between you and Aries.. You, I can reason with. Talking to Aries, lovable though he may be, is like talking to a wall. Its like listening to politicians on the news with their talking points. They never respond to anything you say. They just keep repeating the talking points. Its not really his fault. He's just a victim of his inviorment..